Can someone who understands the nuances of WR play explain this to me?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

In this video clip, Diggs is evidently unhappy with the first pass, even though he makes a clean 1 handed catch.

 

He does a lot of "hand talk" to Allen.  The second pass, which is also a 1 hand catch, is evidently just to his liking as he "thumbs up" and they move on.

 

What's the difference?

[Patrick Duffy]

I don't see where he seems "unhappy" myself. Just looks like a lot of nothing to me. Just communication during practice far as I can tell.

[Orlando Tim]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

In this video clip, Diggs is evidently unhappy with the first pass, even though he makes a clean 1 handed catch.

 

He does a lot of "hand talk" to Allen.  The second pass, which is also a 1 hand catch, is evidently just to his liking as he "thumbs up" and they move on.

 

What's the difference?

I can't see enough too be certain what is issue exactly but one Diggs feels like he can make a play with and the other he cant. Likely the first one is gonna force him into  what happens next and the second he can make the determination. Whether it is height or force or trajectory I can't tell from that video.

[gobills404]

I'm pretty sure he was just saying "gimme another one"

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, gobills404 said:

I'm pretty sure he was just saying "gimme another one"

Yep. Repetition is key. He won't make it into the "You Just Got Mossed" segment without it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

I'm pretty sure he was just saying "gimme another one"

 

"Gimme another" is plainly part of what he's saying, but I'm pretty sure there was something he didn't like about the placement of the first pass, and liked about the 2nd.

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I can't see enough too be certain what is issue exactly but one Diggs feels like he can make a play with and the other he cant. Likely the first one is gonna force him into  what happens next and the second he can make the determination. Whether it is height or force or trajectory I can't tell from that video.

 

He seems to take two large steps back and land a bit off balance from the first and only 1 step back and still balanced for the 2nd, so good observation, but would like to understand why

[Gugny]

Those are very short shorts.  @GunnerBill

[Udubalum07]

It's a little difficult to see what it was exactly only seeing him catch the ball and not the ball flight. 

 

One thing might be wanting more touch. The first one might have come in a little more hot.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Udubalum07

[JMF2006]

From what I see id Diggs has to jump and reach back for ball #1

 

Ball #2 is a flat footed no jumper one hander.

[nucci]

21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

In this video clip, Diggs is evidently unhappy with the first pass, even though he makes a clean 1 handed catch.

 

He does a lot of "hand talk" to Allen.  The second pass, which is also a 1 hand catch, is evidently just to his liking as he "thumbs up" and they move on.

 

What's the difference?

he had to jump for the 1st one?

[Hebert19]

Working on where he wants the ball.  Guessing it's for a fade route or something. 

[TheFunPolice]

ball #2 seems high but not so high that Diggs needs to extend as much

 

 

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Those are very short shorts.  @GunnerBill

He's really just milking his time in front of the camera to show off the quads.

[First Round Bust]

dont see an issue from Diggs - this may be a personal drill where he wants some off-target passes to work on...dude is a smart-hard worker

[Kwai San]

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Those are very short shorts.  @GunnerBill

I thot the same Gugs!!!

[Patrick Duffy]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Gimme another" is plainly part of what he's saying, but I'm pretty sure there was something he didn't like about the placement of the first pass, and liked about the 2nd

I personally can't see what makes you think that honestly, unless I'm missing something. Maybe you're using of the word "unhappy" isn't quite the right word? I don't see nothing here but your typical practice type communication talk stuff. 

 

Maybe a case of "reading a little too much into it" here lol?

Edited October 29, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Those are very short shorts.  @GunnerBill

 

He loves flirting with me.

[K-9]

It’s nothing more than a receiving drill. Perhaps we will see some back shoulder tosses to Diggs along the left sideline on Sunday. Miami loves that man D after all. Even though Josh shreds it time after time. 
 

It would be more interesting to see Josh’s drills where he works on off platform throws. 

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

It’s nothing more than a receiving drill. Perhaps we will see some back shoulder tosses to Diggs along the left sideline on Sunday. Miami loves that man D after all. Even though Josh shreds it time after time. 
 

It would be more interesting to see Josh’s drills where he works on off platform throws. 

Could be a good plan.

 

Diggs plans to freeze the DB with the first quick couple steps and then turns outside. On the first rep it seems a bit sloppy, or more like he wasn't ready at the snap. 2nd rep was smooth. Practice makes perfect.

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, gobills404 said:

I'm pretty sure he was just saying "gimme another one"

 

I think he even gives him a thumbs up after the first one, just like the second one but the coach is in the way in the clip (around the 3 second mark of the video)

 

 

[appoo]

1 hour ago, Udubalum07 said:

It's a little difficult to see what it was exactly only seeing him catch the ball and not the ball flight. 

 

One thing might be wanting more touch. The first one might have come in a little more hot.

And high & away - if he's practice the smoke then he can't really turn upfield with that. That 2nd one he's in better position to spin up

[Ethan in Cleveland]

No real idea, but the first one looked like he took two steps and a full jump and the second one was one step and a hop. So my guess is ball placement and maybe velocity

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

In this video clip, Diggs is evidently unhappy with the first pass, even though he makes a clean 1 handed catch.

 

He does a lot of "hand talk" to Allen.  The second pass, which is also a 1 hand catch, is evidently just to his liking as he "thumbs up" and they move on.

 

What's the difference?

No clue, random guessing from the video the first was more straight back and high the second seemed more to his right(Diggs right) and high.

[Draconator]

He was showing Dawson that you can play and catch with one hand. Two hands are overrated. 

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Yep. Repetition is key. He won't make it into the "You Just Got Mossed" segment without it.

 

I stopped watching when he put up high schoolers.  Just wrong.

[BuffaloBill]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

Those are very short shorts.  @GunnerBill

 

is this doing something for you? Have you watched the video repeatedly? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I stopped watching when he put up high schoolers.  Just wrong.

 

??

[Nextmanup]

Looks to me like he's doing a drill.  He wants the ball thrown HIGH and he wants to catch it with one hand.

The first pass was high, but not high enough.

The second was higher, so he liked it.

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

??

 

Moss had a high school game on the You Got Mossed segment.  I stopped watching before he got to the Tyros.

[Sugar High JA17]

People ask me who he reminds me of. The way he's playing, I'd say he doesn't remind me of anybody. I've never seen anybody - running back, quarterback, wide receiver - make the plays that Josh Allen made today. -Tommy Sweeney

[Rockinon]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

It’s nothing more than a receiving drill. Perhaps we will see some back shoulder tosses to Diggs along the left sideline on Sunday. Miami loves that man D after all. Even though Josh shreds it time after time. 
 

It would be more interesting to see Josh’s drills where he works on off platform throws. 

Miami is planning to change the way they cover receivers for this game. I am assuming they intend to run more zone to duplicate what some other teams are doing to slow Josh down.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

Miami is planning to change the way they cover receivers for this game. I am assuming they intend to run more zone to duplicate what some other teams are doing to slow Josh down.

 

Not that I disbelieve you a bit, but source?

 

A problem is that teams usually slant (see what I did?) towards CB who excel at man, or who excel at zone.  Rather than go away from their base, this time against KC the Bills seem to have done a deep dive into how KC tried to exploit their zone coverage and how to adjust safeties and LBs to fill the gaps.

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

Those are very short shorts.  @GunnerBill

 

You’re more of a fan of Tight Ends than WR’s, aren’t you? 

 

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…….

[K-9]

39 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

Miami is planning to change the way they cover receivers for this game. I am assuming they intend to run more zone to duplicate what some other teams are doing to slow Josh down.

One would think that’s the case. But they absolutely suck in zone concepts, so I won’t be surprised if Flores insists on doing what his personnel is best at doing. 

[Rockinon]

23 minutes ago, K-9 said:

One would think that’s the case. But they absolutely suck in zone concepts, so I won’t be surprised if Flores insists on doing what his personnel is best at doing. 

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. They'll attempt to make Josh think by leaving two deep safeties out there like everyone else is doing. Josh is still going to carve them up. It's rumored that Doyle will play RT. Curious if there is any truth to that.

34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not that I disbelieve you a bit, but source?

 

A problem is that teams usually slant (see what I did?) towards CB who excel at man, or who excel at zone.  Rather than go away from their base, this time against KC the Bills seem to have done a deep dive into how KC tried to exploit their zone coverage and how to adjust safeties and LBs to fill the gaps.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article255259711.html

 

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-main-thurs-20211028-oyfekkiz55ak7om6rxndkkhqgq-story.html

 

I think they are going to emphasize pass rush more than anything though. Thing is, they know they have a problem and will be trying something different. They are getting smoked by the passing game.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Rockinon

[LeGOATski]

15 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. They'll attempt to make Josh think by leaving two deep safeties out there like everyone else is doing. Josh is still going to carve them up. It's rumored that Doyle will play RT. Curious if there is any truth to that.

Where is it rumored? It's mentioned in the other thread because PFF has him in the "lineup" tab on the game page.

 

But they also have Knox as the backup TE, so........

[Beerball]

@BringBackFergy is my go to guy for the nuances of WR play. Hoping he chimes in here.

[Rockinon]

10 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Where is it rumored? It's mentioned in the other thread because PFF has him in the "lineup" tab on the game page.

 

But they also have Knox as the backup TE, so........

Just another poster in this forum. That's why I said rumor.

[947]

All receivers practice one-handed catches nowadays. On the off chance they get a pass that they can only reach with 1 hand, or the DB is holding their arm, they need to be able to make a good attempt at a one-handed catch. Practicing it often increases the likelihood they can do it in-game.

[BringBackFergy]

17 minutes ago, Beerball said:

@BringBackFergy is my go to guy for the nuances of WR play. Hoping he chimes in here.

Shifty hips, long index fingers, shorter, squattier the better. Longer hair (think Collinsworth and Dave Casper). And Lutheran. For some reason, Lutherans always project as good receivers.