major Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 On Speak for Yourself a few minutes ago, Marcellus Wiley was discussing music city miracle and said “we know why we lost that game” and went further to say “he wouldn’t say the name of the person whose fault it was” because we wants to protect that person’s mental health. So, who do you think he was referring to?🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, major said: On Speak for Yourself a few minutes ago, Marcellus Wiley was discussing music city miracle and said “we know why we lost that game” and went further to say “he wouldn’t say the name of the person whose fault it was” because we wants to protect that person’s mental health. So, who do you think he was referring to?🤔 Rob Johnson 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Butch Coolidge. * Oh, 'Wiley', not 'Wallace'. Sorry. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, major said: On Speak for Yourself a few minutes ago, Marcellus Wiley was discussing music city miracle and said “we know why we lost that game” and went further to say “he wouldn’t say the name of the person whose fault it was” because we wants to protect that person’s mental health. So, who do you think he was referring to?🤔 Who was the Gunner on the right side? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 At first I thought he was going to insinuate a coach but you could tell he was referring to a player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan since 87 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Wade for not running the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds before the FG (we had a time out left) 6 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Who was the Gunner on the right side? Daryl Porter? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Maybe he was in the Flutie camp and so is referring to Rob Johnson (but if memory serves, Rob played fairly well in the game and we had a chance to win---though I thought and wanted Flutie to start that game too). Otherwise, I doubt he would be singling out, say, one special teamer...saying it was their fault (on that particular play). It seemed the whole ST blew that play...but I guess there could have been one ST player who was meant to play (final) contain and left his post. Other options: He could put that game on the refs for not calling it a forward pass...but the mental health part of that question wouldn't really make sense then. The refs in that game were worried about their physical health (not their mental health) if they had disallowed the TD in a hostile Tenn atmosphere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, folz said: Maybe he was in the Flutie camp and so is referring to Rob Johnson (but if memory serves, Rob played fairly well in the game and we had a chance to win---though I thought and wanted Flutie to start that game too). Otherwise, I doubt he would be singling out, say, one special teamer...saying it was their fault (on that particular play). It seemed the whole ST blew that play...but I guess there could have been one ST player who was meant to play (final) contain and left his post. Other options: He could put that game on the refs for not calling it a forward pass...but the mental health part of that question wouldn't really make sense then. The refs in that game were worried about their physical health (not their mental health) if they had disallowed the TD in a hostile Tenn atmosphere. Johnson was a gamer in that playoff game and showed a lot of grit. Drive them down for the game winning FG. Doubt it was him. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 DeHaven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: DeHaven. Because he encouraged them prior to the play to abandon their lanes? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Bruce DeHaven There's not a single player to blame for that game, Johnson was harassed all the first half, both RBs were injuried, and in general the OL played crappy Edited October 22, 2021 by poblano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Tim Donaghy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, poblano said: Bruce DeHaven There's not a single player to blame for that game, Johnson was harassed all the first half, both RBs were injuried, and in general the OL played crappy The late Bruce DeHaven. I don't think Marcellus needs to protect that person's mental health. 11 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said: Wade for not running the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds before the FG (we had a time out left) Had not realized that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: DeHaven. Ralph obviously blamed DeHaven, but did the players? And DeHaven has passed away, so Marcellus wouldn't be currently worried about his mental health. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, transient said: Because he encouraged them prior to the play to abandon their lanes? I am no expert, but a wholesale breakdown in lane discipline suggests a coaching failure of Some kind. By the way, I never understood why teams in those types of situations don’t just kick the ball out of bounds. Back then, I think the penalty too was ball at the 35— so you had to go a bit more to even get into Hail Mary range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said: Wade for not running the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds before the FG (we had a time out left) Wait, what??!? I don't think I ever knew that. Holy *****, are you kidding me? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Oh, 'Wiley', not 'Wallace'. Sorry. We know that Wallace is already very ******* far from OK. Well done Cynic man! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rubes said: Wait, what??!? I don't think I ever knew that. Holy *****, are you kidding me? Word on the street is they were trying to get in touch with him from the booth but he refused to wear a headset... the bum. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, transient said: Word on the street is they were trying to get in touch with him from the booth but he refused to wear a headset... the bum. Oh! Son of a....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said: Wade for not running the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds before the FG (we had a time out left) Bingo. It was first down and Wade panicked because Rob Johnson lost his shoe. No HC kicks that FG and leaves time on the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Rob Johnson I did not like Johnson, but he walked off the field that day with the lead. This game was not on him. I would say whoever it was that should have been in that lane. On them. Anyone know who that was? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Go rewatch this game sometime. Both offenses struggled because both teams had great defenses. I told a buddy at work that whoever won this game was going to the SB, and I was right. Johnson did enough for the Bills to win, and when he left the field the Bills were winning. It wasn't just a gunner on the right side. Our entire KO team swung to the middle and left of the field, leaving the right completely exposed. If the Bills had done their jobs, they would have won that game, and I stand by my prediction that the winner of that game would go to the SB. Of course the Titans didn't win the SB and there's no guarantee the Bills would have, either, but the Bills team that year was loaded with talent. Of course they let the three big players (Bruce, Thurman, and Andre) all walk after the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan since 87 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Rubes said: Wait, what??!? I don't think I ever knew that. Holy *****, are you kidding me? Yep, that fact has gotten lost in time. We could have kicked it through at zero and never had the forward lateral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, folz said: Maybe he was in the Flutie camp and so is referring to Rob Johnson (but if memory serves, Rob played fairly well in the game and we had a chance to win---though I thought and wanted Flutie to start that game too). Otherwise, I doubt he would be singling out, say, one special teamer...saying it was their fault (on that particular play). It seemed the whole ST blew that play...but I guess there could have been one ST player who was meant to play (final) contain and left his post. Other options: He could put that game on the refs for not calling it a forward pass...but the mental health part of that question wouldn't really make sense then. The refs in that game were worried about their physical health (not their mental health) if they had disallowed the TD in a hostile Tenn atmosphere. Marcellus Wiley was one of the biggest Flutie guys on the Bills and probably the most vocal. https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bn-blitz-newsletter-marcellus-wiley-still-convinced-doug-flutie-wouldve-won-music-city-miracle-game/article_c994fd8f-c5fe-5539-b9c3-b5f7af3695f5.html https://twitter.com/marcelluswiley/status/522896577959309312?lang=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Tremaine Edmunds 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan since 87 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, transient said: Word on the street is they were trying to get in touch with him from the booth but he refused to wear a headset... the bum. No...Bum was his dad..;-) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 58 minutes ago, Utah John said: Go rewatch this game sometime. Both offenses struggled because both teams had great defenses. I told a buddy at work that whoever won this game was going to the SB, and I was right. Johnson did enough for the Bills to win, and when he left the field the Bills were winning. While I agree Rob did enough & wasn't the biggest issue, do I think he could go on to win 2 more playoff games on the road after that & make the Super Bowl? No chance. I don't care what people think of Rob Johnson, there's a reason teams don't bench their season-long starter who's healthy for the playoffs. I don't blame him for the loss, but there's just no way I can see him string together 3 straight wins against the AFC's best, all on the road. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Daryl Porter? Looks like Porter, #22, was the 2nd man in from the right sideline at the kick but was all the way to the right hash by the time Wycheck made his throw but was not very close to him. So, he looks like a plausible candidate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The refs for calling it a lateral. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Daryl Porter. He was the player who was assigned blame for wandering toward the ball and not staying in his lane and allowing Dyson a free run to the end zone. As for some of the guesses............Rob Johnson couldn't care less about being blamed for anything............Bruce DeHaven is long dead.........Wade has made it clear that it wasn't his decision to bench Flutie so if Wiley was blaming it on the QB choice the guy who made that is also long since dead. So nothing he said leads anywhere but toward Daryl Porter. A well liked reserve DB who screwed up but the Bills made so many mistakes that day that they left themselves vulnerable to a bad officials call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I’m not picking on anyone, but it amazes me how Bills fans admit that Rob Johnson was awful, but he always seems to get credit for that Titans game. The guy played an average game, and threw a touchdown without a shoe, considered me unimpressed. It’s possible my memory is failing, but Johnson playing well by his standards is nothing to write home about. He wasn’t to blame for the loss, but we weren’t going anywhere with him behind center. 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: While I agree Rob did enough & wasn't the biggest issue, do I think he could go on to win 2 more playoff games on the road after that & make the Super Bowl? No chance. I don't care what people think of Rob Johnson, there's a reason teams don't bench their season-long starter who's healthy for the playoffs. I don't blame him for the loss, but there's just no way I can see him string together 3 straight wins against the AFC's best, all on the road. Couldn’t agree more. I don’t care what you think about Flutie either, that’s irrelevant. This idea we’re in the Super Bowl had we won the Music City Miracle game is absurd. What did Johnson ever do that proves he could have won three playoff games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: DeHaven. Righyt before that play he told them to stay in their lanes and he told them to watch for a trick play or a lateral. It wasn't his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 He's discussed this before. Whether he was referring to Ralph, Phillips, or Johnson.......who knows? https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bn-blitz-newsletter-marcellus-wiley-still-convinced-doug-flutie-wouldve-won-music-city-miracle-game/article_c994fd8f-c5fe-5539-b9c3-b5f7af3695f5.html Former Bills defensive end Marcellus Wiley spoke with Vic Carucci for this week's "One-on-One Coverage," and it didn't take long for the Doug Flutie-Rob Johnson debate to be rekindled. "This is no shot at Rob, but Doug would have won that game for us," Wiley said. "It’s just that simple." This of course refers to the Bills' wild-card game against the Titans on Jan. 8, 2000. If you're not familiar with this story, Flutie quarterbacked the Bills to a 10-5 record but was benched for their playoff game after Johnson performed well in Week 17 while Flutie was being rested. Coach Wade Phillips later stated that owner Ralph Wilson forced him to start Johnson. And everyone knows how the game ended. Wiley still believes it was a forward lateral, but his point was that if Flutie started, it would've have even come down to that play. "It wasn’t 50-50; I would say it was 70-30, 80-20 Doug," Wiley said of the locker room split supporting Flutie. "But the craziest thing was how it played out in real time, how we knew Rob had to start the last game ... And I remember when Wade came in and said, 'Guys, we’re changing quarterbacks.' It was craziness. People were like, 'What?' Then, we all calmed down and realized, 'Hey, it’s playoff week and if those are the marching orders, we must follow.'" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Easiest to just blame Ralph anyways. Because Ralph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Ralph was cheap. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Bowery Boy Phil Luckett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, SirAndrew said: I’m not picking on anyone, but it amazes me how Bills fans admit that Rob Johnson was awful, but he always seems to get credit for that Titans game. The guy played an average game, and threw a touchdown without a shoe, considered me unimpressed. It’s possible my memory is failing, but Johnson playing well by his standards is nothing to write home about. He wasn’t to blame for the loss, but we weren’t going anywhere with him behind center. Couldn’t agree more. I don’t care what you think about Flutie either, that’s irrelevant. This idea we’re in the Super Bowl had we won the Music City Miracle game is absurd. What did Johnson ever do that proves he could have won three playoff games? Flutie's offense had also become a bit inconsistent and bogged down by the time he was benched, so it's difficult to pick a side in hindsight. Johnson DID drive down the field and get the lead. That DID happen. And in 99.9% of NFL contests, that would have been enough to secure the win. So we cannot deny that. Then again, we lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Flutie was absolutely putrid that season. It is no better than 50/50 that puts more points on the board against that titans defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 hours ago, SirAndrew said: The guy played an average game, and threw a touchdown without a shoe, considered me unimpressed. After this game, Johnson was always remembered for the Second Great Rule of Football: Rule 1: Laces Out! Rule 2: Laces Tied Tight! 😠 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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