Should NFL refs start being suspended for idiotic calls?

[BillsShredder83]

27 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

All penalties should be challengable, and the final decision should be made by an official in NY, not the ref who's reluctant to overturn a call from his officiating crew.

 

I know we hate the delays caused by challenges, but each coach still only gets 2 per game, so it's not a big deal. And some of these calls are so blatantly wrong that they need to be corrected.

 

 

NY would hate this and cover the zebras backs. i think itd look like that challenge a pass interference rule that happened last year. theyd basically just veto it

[LabattBlue]

No referee is going to be correct 100% of the time, and super duper slo mo and 20 camera angles for the viewers at home, has made them look worse.    This is not a new thing.  Mistakes will be made, and they are part of the game.  You just have to hope they even out over the course of a game/season.

[The Wiz]

Watching the Dallas game yesterday there was a hit on Dak that would have been called 99% of the time.  He threw the ball and the defender reached over the line and hit him with both hands on the helmet.  They ended up winning the game but I believe that was 3rd down and an incompletion at the time and were trailing.

[AuntieEm]

21 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

It the play in question is the one I remember, it is a valid penalty.  Sure, the hit (more of a shove) wasn't hard at all, but it was late and 100% unnecessary.

 

It's not about things being "soft" now, it's about getting players out of the mindset of going for unnecessary/late hits.  A lot of these guys have spent their entire football careers getting to act like thugs, and will test the limits of what they can get away with if you don't draw the line and hold them to it.  Unfortunately this leads to a lot of "weak" roughing penalties that old school football fans will whine about, but it is necessary.

 

Now I admit some refs take it too far and call penalties on valid hits, but a late shove on a QB seemingly to bully or intimidate them is a penalty.  I would rather see them reclassify that play to something like unsportsmanlike conduct rather than roughing the passer.

 

   Indeed. The real problem is when the same infraction occurs in the plain sight of same official and they don't call the same penalty.  When you know its an obvious no call maybe because of some personal bias between ref and player.  Refs never seeing holds of varying degrees on Jerry Hughes comes to mind.  I don't recall all the exact details of that beef Jerry blew up against refs years ago.  But apparently the refs still remember if no call freq was studied we'd likely find Hughes gets a larger non call on obv holding against him.

 

Its like those pictures where everyone sees different images  it's just all dependent on your viewing angle and what jumps out at you initially.   But if you look at it from other angles you see the other images. Also remember the refs hear alot of trash talk that we do not they may sense a mood thats re as dy to ignite if things get chippy  they may get heavy handed with penalties to prevent a bigger problem.

Edited October 18, 2021 by AuntieEm

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, AuntieEm said:

 

   Indeed. The real problem is when the same infraction occurs in the plain sight of same official and they don't call the same penalty.  When you know its an obvious no call maybe because of some personal bias between ref and player.  Refs never seeing holds of varying degrees on Jerry Hughes comes to mind.  I don't recall all the exact details of that beef Jerry blew up against refs years ago.  But apparently the refs still remember if no call freq was studied we'd likely find Hughes gets a larger non call on obv holding against him.

I made this same point in the thread related to officials for the KC game and if they "hold a bias" toward players.

 

Watch Hughes before that incident and after and I would guess he's getting mauled on most plays since then because they weren't happy with him blowing up at them.

[BillsShredder83]

12 minutes ago, dpberr said:

I'd be against suspensions because with gambling,that becomes a mechanism to twist the screws on the officiating. 

 

I read where they do receive performance reviews, and have for some time.   I think any 15 yard (or more) penalty in the 4th quarter should be automatically reviewed.  

 

I also feel that officials should be prohibited from participating in any gambling activity while they are active officials.   

Im 99.9% sure thats always been the case???

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I just leafed through an article in SI from October of 2018, and apparently as of that date, only one had been  fired for poor performance since the league began playing the Super Bowl.

*
I cannot link to it, but it was written by Michael Shapiro, October 25, 2018.  Hugo Cruz was the official.

Edited October 18, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[nedboy7]

Yes. And then we can have no refs by week 3. And complete anarchy on the field.  

[BillsShredder83]

19 minutes ago, dpberr said:

I'd be against suspensions because with gambling,that becomes a mechanism to twist the screws on the officiating. 

 

I read where they do receive performance reviews, and have for some time.   I think any 15 yard (or more) penalty in the 4th quarter should be automatically reviewed.  

 

I also feel that officials should be prohibited from participating in any gambling activity while they are active officials.   

WOW great point, i never thought of that

[Robert Paulson]

27 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

It the play in question is the one I remember, it is a valid penalty.  Sure, the hit (more of a shove) wasn't hard at all, but it was late and 100% unnecessary.

 

It's not about things being "soft" now, it's about getting players out of the mindset of going for unnecessary/late hits.  A lot of these guys have spent their entire football careers getting to act like thugs, and will test the limits of what they can get away with if you don't draw the line and hold them to it.  Unfortunately this leads to a lot of "weak" roughing penalties that old school football fans will whine about, but it is necessary.

 

Now I admit some refs take it too far and call penalties on valid hits, but a late shove on a QB seemingly to bully or intimidate them is a penalty.  I would rather see them reclassify that play to something like unsportsmanlike conduct rather than roughing the passer.

He was pushed into murray by 73

Edited October 18, 2021 by Robert Paulson

[First Round Bust]

the biggest problem I see is the refs are part-time, have other full-time jobs for the most part, and only work once a week....

Example, remember Johnny Grier, from days gone by...used to work for my company Monday until Friday noon...when he would cut-out for his NFL weekend assignment.

 

The good news is that certainly they have development process, post-game meetings, reviews, grading, film-work.

and have points of emphasis to focus on, esp player (qb) safety which we ultimately appreciate but hate when called. 

 

I also think younger refs, esp retired players, even college guys, if they show interest, acumen (physcial and mental testing) should be part of a development program rather than the oil executive pipeline of old.

 

As a high school ref  (and some low level college) of several sports, for several years, I submit that refs do their best work when they have muscle memory working (mental and physical) this comes from working a series of games in the right balance of not being under-worked nor over-worked...

 

I dont see the part-time model changing, and I do see those touchy (ticky-tack) calls made in the interest of player safety continuing as well which are maddening but proper when you think about it...

 

 

Edited October 18, 2021 by First Round Bust

[r00tabaga]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think for judgement calls...no.

 

But not understanding a rule and getting it wrong...yes.

 

I really think every game should have an official upstairs to who can watch the play on the telecast and step in.  This New York review team doesn't seem to work.

Agree with everything here.

[AuntieEm]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Goodness, that call was bad!  Everything else notwithstanding, the Cardinals OLman pushed him into Murray

 

     But not with enough force that he was out of control. He had enough control he could have pulled up  and not contacted Murray, at all he just decided he got shoved so he'd try to sell he was pushed into Murray.

 

  The problem gets to when a player decides well I'm gonna at least give a hit that hurts the opponent that justifies the flag and fine that it will incur.  We all know there are literally some players that are outright thugs.  That's not even accounting for the injuries that naturally will occur with such a violent fast sport.  And the stress some of these players put on their bodies training results in some of those serious non contact  injuries.  So trying to protect their product they will control what they can get away with without losing fans.   

[Scott7975]

Something needs to happen.  Performance reviews or something.  The refs are horrible and have turned me off of watching football games for years now as they continually get worse.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, WhoTom said:

All penalties should be challengable, and the final decision should be made by an official in NY, not the ref who's reluctant to overturn a call from his officiating crew.

 

I know we hate the delays caused by challenges, but each coach still only gets 2 per game, so it's not a big deal. And some of these calls are so blatantly wrong that they need to be corrected.

 

 

i agree, but I think it is easier than this.

 

they have instituted a new procedure now where the video refs on easy calls, will review them Quick and report back to the refs on the field. 
 

Why can’t they just do that now, for every play and penalty— with an emphasis on just trying to fix the easy ones that are really consequential? 

[AuntieEm]

29 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

He was pushed into murray by 73

 

   From my viewpoint he was pushed but that too was without enough force to send him off balance.  He certainly had enough control he had no risk of injury to himself and likewise the injury factor to Murray was low.  I didn't watch entire game so no clue if there were any borderline hits earlier between that flagged player and Murray.  If it was chippy since the first snap then they may have decided to call any little thing.  

Edited October 18, 2021 by AuntieEm

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Just in Atlanta said:

Third strike should have repercussions.

 

Sent to North Korea

Pit of Sarlacc

 

Something of that nature.

Left alone in a locked room with 100 fans of the team that got screwed by their penalty call.

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said:

It the play in question is the one I remember, it is a valid penalty.  Sure, the hit (more of a shove) wasn't hard at all, but it was late and 100% unnecessary.

 

It's not about things being "soft" now, it's about getting players out of the mindset of going for unnecessary/late hits.  A lot of these guys have spent their entire football careers getting to act like thugs, and will test the limits of what they can get away with if you don't draw the line and hold them to it.  Unfortunately this leads to a lot of "weak" roughing penalties that old school football fans will whine about, but it is necessary.

 

Now I admit some refs take it too far and call penalties on valid hits, but a late shove on a QB seemingly to bully or intimidate them is a penalty.  I would rather see them reclassify that play to something like unsportsmanlike conduct rather than roughing the passer.

 

    Yea because they essentially are weakening the protection to qbs by weak call like this compared to say oh diving for a QBs knees when he has clearly already thrown the ball and is no longer allowed to be hit.  Ala an elbow to the knee of Losman and causing a serious injury.

 

  I don't remember the hit to Losman if it was a late hit it was so clearly a dirty hit from my viewpoint in that he seemed to target the knee and could have avoideid it easily.   I'd have to go watch the play again today to see if my memory is accurate or if the dislike for patriots is blurring the play to fit my natural bias as a Bills fan.

Edited October 18, 2021 by AuntieEm

[WhoTom]

15 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

I don't remember the hit to Losman if it was a late hit it was so clearly a dirty hit from my viewpoint in that he seemed to target the knee and could have avoideid it easily.   I'd have to go watch the play again today to see if my memory is accurate or if the dislike for patriots is blurring the play to fit my natural bias as a Bills fan.

 

Your memory is accurate. That play was Wilfork being Wilfork.

[unbillievable]

Have the TV audience vote "yes " or "no" on overturning the penalty via text message; with the NFL charging $1 each during the 40second play clock. Must have 75% consensus to pass.

 

NFL makes money. Prime time games ensure more neutral audience. Only obvious botched calls are reversed.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/nfl/kyler-murray-involved-in-the-nfls-latest-joke-of-a-roughing-the-passer-penalty/amp/

 

I get wanting to protect QB's but calls like this bring questions to the games integrity, IMO.

 

Any 15 yard plus penalty should be reviewed. Let the ref throw the flag but someone outside of the crew should make the final determination. I hate seeing games get held up any longer than they need to be but is that worse than some of these ticky-tack calls on the QB as well as some PI calls?

 

I'm sure this debate will go on forever but that call yesterday was ridiculous. Imagine that occuring during the last drive of a playoff game? Yikes.

 

I don't think "suspended", but I feel there needs to be some systematic process of reviewing calls (and no-calls) and some form of accountability for refs.

 

Right now we all piss and moan about certain crews or are happy with others, which says right there reffing is not consistent from crew to crew.

 

Having calls be reviewable would be a nightmare IMO.

2 hours ago, MJS said:

On the particular call in question, if Murray would have fallen down (flopped to get a call like a lot of players do, including Josh Allen) it would have looked like a pretty legit roughing the passer.

 

Murray released the ball, the defender took multiple steps toward him and gave him a shove. Definately a weak call, but defenders should know not to do that. If they see a ball released, they should be doing everything in their power to avoid contact because that's the way the game is played now and you don't want to hurt your team with a penalty.

 

I personally felt, based on the video, that the Cardinals lineman shoved the defender into Murray.

[Brand J]

Remember how bad the replacement refs were? And everyone was like “hurry up and get the real referees back in here, these guys are terrible and ruining games.” The real refs are terrible and ruining games as well and unlike the replacements, they carry biases towards certain teams and players. It’s a difficult job, no doubt, but penalties need to go back to looking like actual penalties, egregious ones, for the flag to be warranted. No more ticky-tack nonsense that affords the refs screen time.

[PatsFanNH]

Refs need to be a full time job. So they can actually spend time and know every rule and how it’s to be called.  The problem is it’s a part time job.

[unbillievable]

If they stuck those tracker balls on every players uniforms, they can use AI to replace Referees.

 

[WhoTom]

16 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Refs need to be a full time job. So they can actually spend time and know every rule and how it’s to be called.  The problem is it’s a part time job.

 

A part-time job that pays $200k/year.

 

 

[Mrbojanglezs]

no refs, backstreet rules 

[CircleTheWagons99]

Refs should be fired to messing up, for what they make.....

[Not at the table Karlos]

Absolutely. So should police. There's a need for them they just need to do a better job. Accountability usually helps with that 

 

 

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Refs are evaluated and graded every week by the NFL head office.  Crews with the best scores go on to get the biggest games. Crews with poor performance do not see the post season or Super Bowl. 

How many are let go due to continued poor performance? We see the same refs every year with little to no turn over. Last year's Superbowl crew has been beyond terrible. 

Edited October 18, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos

[unbillievable]

5 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

A part-time job that pays $200k/year.

 

 

Technically it's a full time job, but only part of the year.

 

It think its $150k to be on call during the season. Then $1500 per game you work. Then anywhere from $5k-$10k for every game in the Playoffs/Superbowl. They all get fired the rest of the year.

 

Referees don't typically work other jobs during the season.

 

 

 

 

[Jobot]

2 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

  

      Its not 200k per game  it is avg 205k per year. Per game they'd be making over 3 million per year if they got 200k per game, thats higher than vet minimum. 

 

 

Whoops, that's what I meant, you're correct.

[MJS]

51 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I personally felt, based on the video, that the Cardinals lineman shoved the defender into Murray.

Possibly, but the defender definately shoved Murray too. So, whatever.

 

I am not outraged by the call, personally. But it was definitely a weak one.

[Les Vegetables]

1 hour ago, First Round Bust said:

the biggest problem I see is the refs are part-time, have other full-time jobs for the most part, and only work once a week....

Example, remember Johnny Grier, from days gone by...used to work for my company Monday until Friday noon...when he would cut-out for his NFL weekend assignment.

 

The good news is that certainly they have development process, post-game meetings, reviews, grading, film-work.

and have points of emphasis to focus on, esp player (qb) safety which we ultimately appreciate but hate when called. 

 

I also think younger refs, esp retired players, even college guys, if they show interest, acumen (physcial and mental testing) should be part of a development program rather than the oil executive pipeline of old.

 

As a high school ref  (and some low level college) of several sports, for several years, I submit that refs do their best work when they have muscle memory working (mental and physical) this comes from working a series of games in the right balance of not being under-worked nor over-worked...

 

I dont see the part-time model changing, and I do see those touchy (ticky-tack) calls made in the interest of player safety continuing as well which are maddening but proper when you think about it...

 

 

Your point about part time refs is well said. Full time refs would have time to watch film on the players to understand their tendencies and style of play. For example, some quarterbacks slide at the end of a scramble and often wait for the last minute to do so, setting up for a personal foul on the defense. Full time refs can see that on film and hold the flag if the QB slides late and is hit by a defender. Also could cut down on flops and unnecessary holding calls. 

[Orlando Tim]

47 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Remember how bad the replacement refs were? And everyone was like “hurry up and get the real referees back in here, these guys are terrible and ruining games.” The real refs are terrible and ruining games as well and unlike the replacements, they carry biases towards certain teams and players. It’s a difficult job, no doubt, but penalties need to go back to looking like actual penalties, egregious ones, for the flag to be warranted. No more ticky-tack nonsense that affords the refs screen time.

I was amazed by the big deal made of the "Fail Mary" by the officials. The call was difficult and the only issue is they were a few yards out of position. There should be a review process with coaches and players having input. Coaches won't destroy all officials knowing it could be worse.

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, Beast said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/nfl/kyler-murray-involved-in-the-nfls-latest-joke-of-a-roughing-the-passer-penalty/amp/

 

I get wanting to protect QB's but calls like this bring questions to the games integrity, IMO.

 

Any 15 yard plus penalty should be reviewed. Let the ref throw the flag but someone outside of the crew should make the final determination. I hate seeing games get held up any longer than they need to be but is that worse than some of these ticky-tack calls on the QB as well as some PI calls?

 

I'm sure this debate will go on forever but that call yesterday was ridiculous. Imagine that occuring during the last drive of a playoff game? Yikes.

Beast -

 

I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know where this discussion went after the first page, but I wanted to throw in my two cents. 

 

First, as to fines or suspensions, I don't think so.  Everyone makes mistakes.  These guys are carefully evaluated, and their job performance is measured.  The NFL should be doing everything a good manager does to minimize mistakes, to train people, and to get people out of the job if they aren't meeting minimum performance requirements.  

 

Should there be a rational review process?  By all means.  The NFL is still in the dark ages about reviews.   A call like the one you're talking about can have substantial consequences for the outcome of the game, and anyone watching it, including someone with authority to overturn it, could see that this control was wrong.   The NCAA has shown for years that their review process works better and doesn't disrupt the game.   I don't think the NCAA reviews penalties, but the point is that any reviews can be done quickly.   There's no reason why the NFL reviewer couldn't signal the ref to hold up the game so that the reviewer could take a quick look at the play and tell the ref it was no penalty. 

 

I get that they're trying to protect the QBs, and that's a good thing.   But 15 yards and a first down at a critical point in the game can affect the season's outcome for both teams.  That's a ridiculously drastic measure to say to one player "we don't want you even touching the QB."   The NFL deals with that problem in a different way, anyway.  There have been plenty of examples where whether or not the penalty has been called in the game, afterward the league assessed a significant fine.   That gets the message out effectively without upsetting the competitive balance of the games. 

 

The league definitely should be worried about the appearance that they are trying to affect the outcomes.  Watching the Steelers and Seahawks last night, when the word came down that the second last play in regulation was being reviewed (whether Metcalf had made the catch or not), my very first thought was that the officiating was giving an enormous competitive advantage to the Seahawks.   It was completely obvious that Metcalf caught the ball - ridiculously obvious, so what was there to review.  There also was no turnover, so there shouldn't have been an automatic review.   All the review did was give Seattle multiple minutes on the sideline to get ready to spike the ball and then kick the field goal to tie it, instead of having to rush first to get the clock stopped, which they did, and then have to run their kicking onto the field and kick it.   But at least the NFL review people were watching, had a question, and took the time to get it right.  Why they can't do that on the bogus roughing the passer calls, I don't understand. 

 

And on the other issue people keep raising from last Sunday night, a couple of comments.   If the referee named the right player when they assessed holding against Morse, then THAT play is another argument for quick reviews, because we all saw the replay and there was nothing at all that came close to warranting a call.   And if people thought the subsequent roughing the passer call was a makeup call, I didn't.   It was by no means a bogus call.  I think it was completely consistent with the way the rules are written, and if not completely, then arguably.  Frank whatever, 55, picked up Allen (you could tell because Allen's legs were flailing in the air), and whether he threw Allen to the ground or not, he definitely landed on top of him without trying to break his fall or protect Allen in any other way.  That kind of play was made a personal foul a few years ago, it was called consistently the first couple of years, and players stopped doing it.   It wasn't a makeup call.  

[First Round Bust]

9 minutes ago, Les Vegetables said:

Your point about part time refs is well said. Full time refs would have time to watch film on the players to understand their tendencies and style of play. For example, some quarterbacks slide at the end of a scramble and often wait for the last minute to do so, setting up for a personal foul on the defense. Full time refs can see that on film and hold the flag if the QB slides late and is hit by a defender. Also could cut down on flops and unnecessary holding calls. 

yeah...we call it a "feel for the game"...I think former players, college and or pro, would have a better concept adjudicating (another term us amateur us amateur refs us) the example you mention above...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

35 minutes ago, MJS said:

Possibly, but the defender definately shoved Murray too. So, whatever.

I am not outraged by the call, personally. But it was definitely a weak one.

 

Agree.

[Draconator]

I saw the comments on the call, hadn't seen it, and was thinking "it can't be that bad". 

 

Then just now I saw the play. Yeah. It was that bad.

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 hours ago, Jobot said:

There should be some sort of performance review, no doubt. Apparently these guys average $200k per game.

There is now way the average $200k per game, more like $200k for an entire year.

[Prospector]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Same crew who did the Bills vs Chiefs.   Absolutely terrible group.

thumbs up

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, First Round Bust said:

the biggest problem I see is the refs are part-time, have other full-time jobs for the most part, and only work once a week....

Example, remember Johnny Grier, from days gone by...used to work for my company Monday until Friday noon...when he would cut-out for his NFL weekend assignment.

 

The good news is that certainly they have development process, post-game meetings, reviews, grading, film-work.

and have points of emphasis to focus on, esp player (qb) safety which we ultimately appreciate but hate when called. 

 

I also think younger refs, esp retired players, even college guys, if they show interest, acumen (physcial and mental testing) should be part of a development program rather than the oil executive pipeline of old.

 

As a high school ref  (and some low level college) of several sports, for several years, I submit that refs do their best work when they have muscle memory working (mental and physical) this comes from working a series of games in the right balance of not being under-worked nor over-worked...

 

I dont see the part-time model changing, and I do see those touchy (ticky-tack) calls made in the interest of player safety continuing as well which are maddening but proper when you think about it...

 

 

First, I used to complain about the part-time ref thing, but as I understand it, the NFL has changed that.   A few years ago they introduced full-time refs, and I saw something a year ago that said that the program was enthusiastically adopted by the officials.  The NFL's objective was to have at least one full-time official per crew, and I think they've ended up with a significant number (maybe approaching half) being full-timers.   I'm sure the NFL grades the refs, and I'm sure their assignments, even their ability to keep their job, depends somewhat on their grades.   I don't think NFL officials get tenure. 

 

I'd hope they also have conditioning requirements.  I think they must - we used to see guys waddling around out there, but not so much any more.   They seem to run with the plays pretty well - obviously, they aren't going to be as fast as wide receivers, but they generally are in position to make calls and to get out of the way of plays.   

 

That's all on the good side. 

 

I officiated soccer for a few years, even though I'd never played, and you're correct that knowledge of the game is critical.  I was often out of position, even with 12 year-olds, I didn't see things very well, and I missed a lot of calls.   I didn't understand, at least not well, what was going on - the players saw th,e game better than I did.   

 

However, I think that having-played-the-game thing becomes less important the longer you officiate.   If you watch the NBA, those officials are not former NBA players, nor even college players.   But they've officiated games for years and years, they've worked their way up from town leagues to high school to AAU to D-III to D-I to the pros.   When they get to the NBA and are there for a few years, they do remarkably well watching and controlling the game.   It's impossible to get those calls right all the time, but they really do pretty well.  I think the NFL officials are the same.   In a game where they can't call everything, and a game where it's impossible to see everything, they do pretty well.   I'm amazed, for example, how good they are at spotting the ball.   Most of the time when I think they got it wrong, replay shows they got it right.  

 

I don't think the problem is the quality of the officials.   I think the problem is that the NFL refuses to use technology to increase the percentage of calls made correctly.   Tennis has more or less instantaneous in-or-out replays.  Baseball has (but doesn't use) very accurate ball-strike calling mechanisms.   Football is tougher, but please - there's no reason why they don't have a chip in the ball so that on replay they can locate the ball precisely in a pile of players at the goal line, or so they can tell whether the ball passed inside or outside the pylon.   

 

And to Beast's point, there's no reason they can't use replay quickly and efficiently to correct clearly bad calls on 15-yard penalties.  They don't have to review missed calls - maybe there was a facemask an official missed and it shows up on replay.  Okay, let it go.  But when they call the facemask penalty, while it's being assessed and marked off, a replay official would have time to look at it and be sure it actually happened.   Same thing for offensive holding and roughing the passer.  The calls are right or at least arguable 90+% of the time; why can't they fix the ones that were obviously wrong?