whorlnut Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Let me start off by saying I absolutely love Greg Rousseau. I’m so excited about his potential as he is still learning the position. His length is elite and he was such a classic “bet on traits” pick by Beane. My question is, where do you all think he would have gone in the draft had he not opted out due to covid? This is a guy that had 15.5 sacks in his first season playing defense and then decided to opt out his last season. I think top 10 is likely and top 5 isn’t out of the question. Either way, we got a steal at a position of need. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Top 15 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Who know,s he could have had a bad year and dropped. Wasn't Allen more highly thought of after his 1st year at Wyoming than after his 2nd. Every year you hear about guys who dropped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Let me start off by saying I absolutely love Greg Rousseau. I’m so excited about his potential as he is still learning the position. His length is elite and he was such a classic “bet on traits” pick by Beane. My question is, where do you all think he would have gone in the draft had he not opted out due to covid? This is a guy that had 15.5 sacks in his first season playing defense and then decided to opt out his last season. I think top 10 is likely and top 5 isn’t out of the question. Either way, we got a steal at a position of need. kinda depends on how he would have performed in that hypothetical don’t you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Top 15 We'll never know because who knows the season he would have had but even with the year off he should have been top 10 15. His body type is RARE. He produced at a D1 level in college. Still shocked we got him at 30. Boogie isn't so bad himself,super versatile too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) Who are the DEs that got taken ahead of him? Edited October 12, 2021 by Warcodered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 years of elite production probably would’ve overcome his lack of elite speed/explosiveness. It’s coaches vs scouts in the draft room and with only 1 year of production the scouts usually win. 2 years with that kind of production and he’s a top 10 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Prolly the Jets, who would have promptly ruined him by making him play DT, as is tradition. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Well that clearly depends on how he played. But he was talked about as top 5 before he opted out for the season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 In early draft rankings after 2020 draft before 2020 season he was a top 10 pick. Some had him top 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I'm not going to get into the hypotheticals about stats and draft position etc., but I share your enthusiasm for him. He's off to a pretty good start and seems to be a pretty good fit here. For a "project" guy he's already producing at a premium position on his rookie deal. He seems like a coachable kid with a bright future. I'm a fan. Go Bills! 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Not buffalo. We got lucky. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) I don't know man, I don't even like that Marvel, What If? Show. Edited October 12, 2021 by TBBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I don’t even want to look that gift horse in the mouth. What a steal, and now Basham is starting to make an impact. Talk about a turnaround with AJ, GROOT, Boogie, Zimmer’s looking solid, and a Oliver is on fire. Not to mention Star is having a quiet, EXCELLENT year. He’s a big contributor why KC didn’t run well last night. He is GROOT! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 #1 of course😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Hard to say. As has been stated, his body type is rare. On the flip side, he didn't test well at the combine. Tough to know what any given GM's priorities might be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Before wherever Jaelan Phillips went 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Top 10. Him & Phillips together would have been something. GR would have had a comparable season to his first he would have had a lot of buzz. Impossible to say for sure obviously 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: Top 15 Top 15 for sure. The scary thing is he is stilling growing into his body. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, whorlnut said: Let me start off by saying I absolutely love Greg Rousseau. I’m so excited about his potential as he is still learning the position. His length is elite and he was such a classic “bet on traits” pick by Beane. My question is, where do you all think he would have gone in the draft had he not opted out due to covid? This is a guy that had 15.5 sacks in his first season playing defense and then decided to opt out his last season. I think top 10 is likely and top 5 isn’t out of the question. Either way, we got a steal at a position of need. If he performed to the level he performed the year before, or to the level he is performing now, I'd say "pretty damn high". 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Who know,s he could have had a bad year and dropped. Wasn't Allen more highly thought of after his 1st year at Wyoming than after his 2nd. Every year you hear about guys who dropped. Allen barely played his first year at Wyoming. He had a better statistical year in his second year than in his last, that's for sure. But no, I don't think he would have gone higher than the 7th pick in the first round in any earlier year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Dean said: If he performed to the level he performed the year before, or to the level he is performing now, I'd say "pretty damn high". Allen barely played his first year at Wyoming. He had a better statistical year in his second year than in his last, that's for sure. But no, I don't think he would have gone higher than the 7th pick in the first round in any earlier year. He’s on pace for 10 sacks which would be extremely impressive. The thing I like even more about him though is his run defense, which has been outstanding. He had a key stop for loss on 3rd and 2 in the first half and has a Multiple stop for losses this year. His football IQ seems off the charts. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 The Frenchman would have likely gone top 15, we can count ourselves lucky that we got him where we did, 👍 As an aside, Damn lucky we have Beane & Co doing their homework! Go Bills!!! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5th round 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: He’s on pace for 10 sacks which would be extremely impressive. The thing I like even more about him though is his run defense, which has been outstanding. He had a key stop for loss on 3rd and 2 in the first half and has a Multiple stop for losses this year. His football IQ seems off the charts. I've been very impressed with him, so far. And even though Basham hasn't played much, when he has he's made some plays as well. Love the rookies so far. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Dean said: I've been very impressed with him, so far. And even though Basham hasn't played much, when he has he's made some plays as well. Love the rookies so far. Cool thing about Boogie is he grew up in Roanoke Va, where my nephew played against him in HS, then he went to Wake Forest where my son goes to college. High high character guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Turbo44 said: Cool thing about Boogie is he grew up in Roanoke Va, where my nephew played against him in HS, then he went to Wake Forest where my son goes to college. High high character guy Good to know. For the most part, this seems like a team of High Character guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: 5th round “Brennan that’s offensive”😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Dean said: Good to know. For the most part, this seems like a team of High Character guys. Yeah boogie definitely is a buffalo type guy. Rousseau sure seems like one too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: “Brennan that’s offensive”😅 Somebody touched his drumset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, The Dean said: Allen barely played his first year at Wyoming. He had a better statistical year in his second year than in his last, that's for sure. But no, I don't think he would have gone higher than the 7th pick in the first round in any earlier year. Yeah, I think he actually meant that after 2016 Josh was several times projected as the #1 pick, and then after 2017 he dropped a bit. I think there's a decent chance he might indeed have gone earlier than 7th if he'd left the year before. In 2016 he was surrounded by significantly better talent. After 2016 his completion percentage was 56.0 after previously throwing only 4 college passes. The next year that went up, but by less than one percent, from 56.0% to 56.3%. That can't have looked good to NFL scouts. His Y/A dropped precipitously, from an impressive 8.3 to a poor 6.7. His rating dropped a lot. His TD percentage dropped a lot. His supporting cast got worse, but it just didn't look like he got better, even if he actually did. His yards per rush also dropped quite a bit., from 3.7 YPA to 2.2. The one thing (and it's important but it's about the only thing that improved) was INT %. He threw a lot more safely that second year. IMO he had a good chance to go higher that year when he'd have been up against Mahomes and Trubisky among the top QBs, rather than Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen. At the time, the class he came out in was considered a much stronger class, even if you discounted Allen himself. Far from a sure thing, of course, but my guess is that he could easily have gone higher, with people worrying deeply about lack of experience but taking him on potential. Edited October 12, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 41 minutes ago, The Dean said: If he performed to the level he performed the year before, or to the level he is performing now, I'd say "pretty damn high". Allen barely played his first year at Wyoming. He had a better statistical year in his second year than in his last, that's for sure. But no, I don't think he would have gone higher than the 7th pick in the first round in any earlier year. My main point was just to state, no way to predict where Rousseau would have gone if he hadn't opted out. Every year plays jump up in the draft and other drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 33 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: He’s on pace for 10 sacks which would be extremely impressive. The thing I like even more about him though is his run defense, which has been outstanding. He had a key stop for loss on 3rd and 2 in the first half and has a Multiple stop for losses this year. His football IQ seems off the charts. Yeah, such a good pick. Looks to be a Bills stalwart for a decade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, I think he actually meant that after 2016 Josh was several times projected as the #1 pick, and then after 2017 he dropped a bit. I think there's a decent chance he might indeed have gone earlier than 7th if he'd left the year before. In 2016 he was surrounded by significantly better talent. After 2016 his completion percentage was 56.0 after previously throwing only 4 college passes. The next year that went up, but by less than one percent, from 56.0% to 56.3%. That can't have looked good to NFL scouts. His Y/A dropped precipitously, from an impressive 8.3 to a poor 6.7. His rating dropped a lot. His TD percentage dropped a lot. His supporting cast got worse, but it just didn't look like he got better, even if he actually did. His yards per rush also dropped quite a bit., from 3.7 YPA to 2.2. The one thing (and it's important but it's about the only thing that improved) was INT %. He threw a lot more safely that second year. IMO he had a good chance to go higher that year when he'd have been up against Mahomes and Trubisky among the top QBs, rather than Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen. At the time, the class he came out in was considered a much stronger class, even if you discounted Allen himself. Far from a sure thing, of course, but my guess is that he could easily have gone higher, with people worrying deeply about lack of experience but taking him on potential. While we'll never know, I believe the real beginning of the ascent of Allen was during the Senior Bowl week, where scouts and coached really noticed his special physical gifts. That's my recollection anyway, He started becoming "a thing" well after his final season at Wyoming. 6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: My main point was just to state, no way to predict where Rousseau would have gone if he hadn't opted out. Every year plays jump up in the draft and other drop. I agree completely. What I was saying is IF he performed to the level he had the previous year, and/or how he looks to be performing now, I'd guessing he'd have gone pretty damn high. With a down year, his draft status may have suffered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 This feels like an offseason thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: This feels like an offseason thread. It's a Monday thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said: Somebody touched his drumset. Or licked dog poop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Lots of factors here keep in mind that he’s barely did played defense event he switched positions fell into 17 sacks in his first year playing the position Absolutely would’ve gone top 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: The Frenchman would have likely gone top 15, we can count ourselves lucky that we got him where we did, 👍 As an aside, Damn lucky we have Beane & Co doing their homework! Go Bills!!! agree - the first edge player drafted went 18th, his team mate - hard to imagine two players playing the same position on the same team going that high in the same draft, esp since sacks are the sexy number and they would be competing for that very same treasure...so one may have cancel the other at times.. https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/picks/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I actually had a thread on this just before the draft. Looked back at two "way too early" mock drafts that were published just AFTER the 2020 draft was completed. Thought the mocks are quite different from each other, both had listed Rousseau as top 5 picks based on what he had done that year before opting out. If you make the assumption that if he played, he would have stayed healthy and had a similar year, he likely would have been a top-5 pick 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, The Dean said: While we'll never know, I believe the real beginning of the ascent of Allen was during the Senior Bowl week, where scouts and coached really noticed his special physical gifts. That's my recollection anyway, He started becoming "a thing" well after his final season at Wyoming. No, not at all. Here's an article from before the 2017 season by Zierlein listing Allen as the #2 QB prospect for after that season after Darnold. https://www.nfl.com/news/sam-darnold-josh-allen-lead-top-cfb-qbs-to-watch-in-2017-0ap3000000819400 Here's an October 2017 article where Kiper and McShay both say he's a top 15 guy despite his step backwards that he was suffering at this point. https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/10/13/mel-kiper-todd-mcshay-still-think-josh-allen-is-a-top-15-prospect/ Here's one from August 25th, before the 2017 season, listing Allen as the 9th best CFB player: https://www.nfl.com/news/top-150-college-football-players-for-2017-nos-1-10-0ap3000000808316 Here's an article pointing out a Schefty quote: "Allen's anonymity ended almost immediately after the final selection of the 2017 NFL draft was made on April 29, when ESPN reporter Adam Schefter said: "There was one personnel director who told me this week that you can put in the books, Josh Allen will be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft next year." The quote's near the top of the article. Also says he almost turned pro that year, he actually told his agent he would but that he decided it just didn't feel right after all. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20117075/wyoming-cowboys-josh-allen-goes-unknown-no-1-pick-nfl-draft-buzz "Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen, a rising junior, is on his way from OVERLOOKED FARM BOY TO THE TOP PICK of the 2018 NFL draft" (May 15th, 2017) "But everyone is taking notice of Allen now. On Jan. 9, agents beat a path past the rows of cotton and cantaloupes on the family's 2,000-acre farm to sit in the Allens' living room. When Clemson beat Alabama for the national title, Josh watched the game with six representatives from mega-agency CAA. Though college players aren't allowed to sign with agents, they are allowed to take informational meetings. LaVonne served them pizza as the CAA reps broke down everything their company might do for Allen should he decide to turn pro. That night he decided his lone season as the starter at Wyoming was preparation enough. After one year at Reedley he had transferred to Wyoming, where in 2016 he threw for 3,203 yards with 28 touchdowns and 15 interceptions, leading the Cowboys to the top of the Mountain Division in the Mountain West. He called some of his receivers and told them he'd break the news to Cowboys coach Craig Bohl in the morning. "As soon as I made that decision, anxiety started running through my body," Allen says. "I didn't sleep one ounce, one bit, one hour, one second that night." https://vault.si.com/vault/2017/05/15/no-one-no-1 He really did impress scouts at the Senior Bowl, though, I remember that. He'd cleaned up his mechanics a bit in his sessions with Jordan Palmer, and it showed. But people were absolutely already watching. His poorer year in 2017 may actually have made him a better player but a lower pick. No way to say that for sure, but it's certainly possible. I think it was Mayock who said he'd never seen a guy help himself more in the pre-draft process than Allen did. A lot of that was Josh's personality, smarts and determination, but a lot was also his work with Palmer. If he'd done that the year before, who knows? Edited October 12, 2021 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.