Alphadawg7 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I understand what constitutes drafting well. I wasn't even ripping your post as I more agreeing with you. But I am saying they have a lot of misses. Tremaine Edmunds was not a hit btw. They traded up to get him where they could have drafted Darius Leonard. No offense, but that’s an absurd statement. So now the only way you “hit” is of the guy you drafted is the best player available at that draft slot regardless of position? Our 2 time pro bowl LB in 3 seasons now is not a “hit” unless every player drafted after him is worse? Sorry your logic is grossly flawed. And every GM in history has a lot more misses than hits on their resume. Never in any sport has a GM even batted .500 on their draft picks. Like a Baseball player, their hit percentage will always be sub .500 and that’s true for all sports. What separates bad GMs from good ones are GMs who can identify the right type of players for their systems and then hit in a few big ones while also finding value contributors as role players in draft and free agency. In football, nothing is more important than hitting on a QB, and that one domino can often be the single definition of a good to great GM because it’s the single most important position in all off team sports. But great GMs are the ones who can then build a team around that QB, and Beane has quickly become a top 3 GM in the NFL because of it, and if we add a SB victory to his resume he will widely be seen as the best GM in football. Edited October 9, 2021 by Alphadawg7 8 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: And could have 32 other teams, including the Colts who passed on him in the 1st round. The revisionist stuff doesn’t work. Ok. But don't say it was a hit of a draft pick. He's overall a pretty good drafter. But also remember their best draft was in 2017 and that wasn't Beane making the picks. (Dawkins, tre white, Milano etc) He hit the home run with Josh Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Excellent move. I figured he’d slip away in free agency as someone would throw money at him based on his recent work. Beane strikes again!, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Holy crap! Contract year, and you earn the contract after 4 games. As Chris Brown would say, good on him. Well, the last couple seasons probably played into it as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Glad he will be back. He always seems to come up with big plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Amazing. I was sure we’d lose him. Ditto. Nickel is a critical position in today’s NFL. Unlike the outside, there is no boundary to use to help you. At this point, I’d like to see them go C/G and RCB in the 2022 draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I was really hoping to see this happen, great move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: No I'm not saying that. But I don't think Edmunds is a hit of a draft pick. If he was a good player I would say it was. But my opinion on Edmunds isn't that high, and I think they whiffed by trading up to get an average player. (in my mind) Passing on Leonard was just the cherry on top for me Edmunds has gotten better every season so far. Future’s bright for that kid. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) There’s always people arguing - even over great news!🤣 Edited October 9, 2021 by WotAGuy 5 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Ok. But don't say it was a hit of a draft pick. He's overall a pretty good drafter. But also remember their best draft was in 2017 and that wasn't Beane making the picks. (Dawkins, tre white, Milano etc) He hit the home run with Josh Allen. Did I say Tremaine was a hit? Show me where I said that… I said he’d get extended. Let me just cite The Athletic article published yesterday where multiple people in the NFL are quoted saying they don’t understand why fans think Tremaine Edmunds isn’t a stud despite everyone outside of Buffalo viewing him as a special player. **Spoiler: It’s because fans have no idea what his responsibilities are and the problems he poses for opposing offenses.** FYI - I did analysis on the Bills drafting under McBeane and then just with Beane. Beane is one of the best drafters since he took over the draft for the Bills in 2018… he’s better than “pretty ok.” I also specifically said “The Bills” in my OP and not “Beane” for this reason exactly. Edited October 9, 2021 by JGMcD2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Wow that is a hometown discount. I am sure he could have gotten more on the open market next offseason. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 $14m guaranteed is a solid deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Just now, RiotAct said: Edmunds has gotten better every season so far. Future’s bright for that kid. I would disagree with that. He was ok in 2018. Very good in 2019. 2020 was pretty bad to be honest. (I get injuries, but some plays had nothing to do with injuries) 2021 I think he's been very good in 2 games and "meh" in the other 2. We will see what happens. I hope he pans out obviously 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 40 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Some day, someone’s gonna beat him out at CB. I know. I’ve read it here HUNDREDS of times! Congrats, Taron! Are you thinking of Levi Wallace? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, wppete said: I feel that’s a steal of a deal for the Bills. I thought he would get somewhere around $10million a year. Slot corners don’t make that kind of money. I think 7.5M is a bit steep for a nickel Cb but considering our scheme, I figured we might over pay to keep him. Not that he’s not worth the money…..I just didn’t think we’d pay him that much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I would disagree with that. He was ok in 2018. Very good in 2019. 2020 was pretty bad to be honest. (I get injuries, but some plays had nothing to do with injuries) 2021 I think he's been very good in 2 games and "meh" in the other 2. We will see what happens. I hope he pans out obviously Yeah I wasn’t expecting Taron to be here long term but he has picked up his play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: It’s nice having a pro-active GM, isn’t it, Go Bills!!! And an owner that supports the GM. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: No I'm not saying that. But I don't think Edmunds is a hit of a draft pick. If he was a good player I would say it was. But my opinion on Edmunds isn't that high, and I think they missed by trading up to get an average player. (in my mind) Passing on Leonard was just the cherry on top for me So, you're saying that Edmunds is not even a "good" player? That says all I need to know. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, RiotAct said: Edmunds has gotten better every season so far. Future’s bright for that kid. No, he hasn’t. He was better in 2019 than in 2020. There may have been factors beyond his control that led to the regression, but don’t lie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Not sure I’m happy about this. I was out walking my dog when I got texted the news. I wanted to text my friend back with “Beane is so good” but the dog saw his friend and was pulling on his leash. He’s pretty strong. So I hit the voice recognition and it came out “Penis so good.” 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Wonderful news! Great job getting this done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Wow that is a hometown discount. I am sure he could have gotten more on the open market next offseason. I think between Taron and Milano they are showing that they believe in the culture that Beane and Mcd have put in place. I mean this team looks really close out there and having fun all the time. Even Mcafee mentioned to Knox during his show that he thinks we have one of the closest knit rosters around. sometimes you chase the money and then you end up in Miami, then Houston.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 46 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Some day, someone’s gonna beat him out at CB. I know. I’ve read it here HUNDREDS of times! Congrats, Taron! Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I was hoping we’d give him a contract like Mike Hilton- 4 years- 24M- def not a discount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Did I say Tremaine was a hit? Show me where I said that… I said he’d get extended. Let me just cite The Athletic article published yesterday where multiple people in the NFL are quoted saying they don’t understand why fans think Tremaine Edmunds isn’t a stud despite everyone outside of Buffalo viewing him as a special player. **Spoiler: It’s because fans have no idea what his responsibilities are and the problems he poses for opposing offenses.** FYI - I did analysis on the Bills drafting under McBeane and then just with Beane. Beane is one of the best drafters since he took over the draft for the Bills in 2018… he’s better than “pretty ok.” I also specifically said “The Bills” in my OP and not “Beane” for this reason exactly. Sorry I misread your first post. As far Beane- Like I said, some great, some bad, some average. Allen- Home run Trading up for Edmunds- Not good but not horrible Harrison Phillips- Bad T Johnson- Very good Neal- Descent pick for 5th round Oliver- He's descent but would like a bit more from the 9th pick off the board. Let's call this one TBD Trading up for Ford- Looking horrible now Singletary- I'm not high on him myself, I would say below average pick. Knox- Looking good now. Depth was very good in that draft. 2020/2021 still too early to tell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: Slot corners don’t make that kind of money. I think 7.5M is a bit steep for a nickel Cb but considering our scheme, I figured we might over pay to keep him. Not that he’s not worth the money…..I just didn’t think we’d pay him that much Yeah… this is definitely on the high end for a NCB. Only Kenny Moore makes more. Taron slots in above Mike Hilton, Jonathan Jones and Bryce Callahan now. Not the end of the world considering we played like 91% of our defensive snaps in Nickel last year. It’s a valuable, starting position in our defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 They know they likely can underpay at CB2 and overpay at nickel to maintain a stout secondary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Just now, BillsFan130 said: Sorry I misread your first post. As far Beane- Like I said, some great, some bad, some average. Allen- Home run Trading up for Edmunds- Not good but not horrible Harrison Phillips- Bad T Johnson- Very good Neal- Descent pick for 5th round Oliver- He's descent but would like a bit more from the 9th pick off the board. Let's call this one TBD Trading up for Ford- Looking horrible now Singletary- I'm not high on him myself, I would say below average pick. Knox- Looking good now. Depth was very good in that draft. 2020/2021 still too early to tell. Except for the fact of hitting 50% on your draft picks for a GM is phenomenal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, thurst44 said: So, you're saying that Edmunds is not even a "good" player? That says all I need to know. I honestly don't. He can be great at times.(like last week) But he doesn't do it consistently enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 The Beane never sleeps 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Sorry I misread your first post. As far Beane- Like I said, some great, some bad, some average. Allen- Home run Trading up for Edmunds- Not good but not horrible Harrison Phillips- Bad T Johnson- Very good Neal- Descent pick for 5th round Oliver- He's descent but would like a bit more from the 9th pick off the board. Let's call this one TBD Trading up for Ford- Looking horrible now Singletary- I'm not high on him myself, I would say below average pick. Knox- Looking good now. Depth was very good in that draft. 2020/2021 still too early to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Not sure I’m happy about this. I was out walking my dog when I got texted the news. I wanted to text my friend back with “Beane is so good” but the dog saw his friend and was pulling on his leash. He’s pretty strong. So I hit the voice recognition and it came out “Penis so good.” Did the text from your friend read "Johnson extended"? 1 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Congratulations Taron Johnson. For a player whose only claim to fame entering the league was getting hit in the head during passing drills at the combine, he has developed into a solid if not strong Nickel Back for the Bills. Thank you, Mr. Beane! GO BILLS!!! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I honestly don't. He can be great at times.(like last week) But he doesn't do it consistently enough. Well, most non-PFF experts disagree with you, as do his fellow players and coaching (yes, there are a few who agree with you) and at 23, he's been the leader of a defense that has been among the top in the league (except oddly enough when he is injured) for over 3 years. I'd call that a hit in the draft, but you're entitled to your opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Did the text from your friend read "Johnson extended"? Three year extension. He needs to go see his doctor immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Got a signed jersey of his a few weeks ago, so safe to say I’m glad this happened lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, thurst44 said: Well, most non-PFF experts disagree with you, as do his fellow players and coaching (yes, there are a few who agree with you) and at 23, he's been the leader of a defense that has been among the top in the league (except oddly enough when he is injured) for over 3 years. I'd call that a hit in the draft, but you're entitled to your opinion. Fair. With all due respect I could careless what PFF says though. If you go by that metric, then you would believe Ike Boettker was better than Tre white pound for pound last year. (No joke as he was rated higher) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, NewEra said: Slot corners don’t make that kind of money. They do when they play almost 100% of defensive snaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 40 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Yeah… you’re completely missing the point of what constitutes drafting well. I can count 2 truly bad draft picks in 5 years. They’ve been one of the best drafting teams over the last 5 years. Is that what I said? I said “Great move, Bills” and that’s your response. Nice try… Just curious, which are the two you're referring to?? The only ones I can think of are Ford and Joseph the LB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, WMDman said: Got a signed jersey of his a few weeks ago, so safe to say I’m glad this happened lol Purchased or how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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