Mayfield; partially torn labrum in non-throwing arm, {Thread from October - 2021}

[Inigo Montoya]

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/teams/cle/cleveland-browns

 

Apparently it is affecting his throwing motion and impacting his accuracy...

 

"NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Browns QB Baker Mayfield suffered a partially torn labrum in his left shoulder in Week 2 against the Texans.

The good news is it's in his non-throwing shoulder. The bad news is that it explains why Mayfield has played so poorly the past two weeks, completing 53.1% of his passes for 6.2 yards per attempt while missing wide open receivers streaking across the field. Mayfield reportedly doesn't need surgery and will continue playing through the ailment, which could be spun as detrimental to the team rather than heroic. Case Keenum will undoubtedly come off the bench if Mayfield continues to struggle."

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

He’s been terrible. They would have the same record with Keenum so just play him and let it heal. 

[Buffalo Boy]

    There is a saying in Martial arts, “ You only have one arm.”

    The point being that it is connected through the shoulders and when you put one end of it( left fist or right) forward the other acts in the opposite way. If you try to punch with your left fist and someone violently yanks the right arm, the left loses power.

     Having a pain inducing injury in the non throwing shoulder is huge. A human body will guard an injury in a predictable and hard to ignore way.

    His mechanics will be negatively effected and there isn’t much he can do.

    Poor Baker🤩

Edited October 7, 2021 by Buffalo Boy
Effing spell check

[Captain_Quint]

Like Josh early last year when he was wearing that brace. 

[YoloinOhio]

Ok then

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

How many weeks did it take Josh to recover 

 

4 weeks for the harness to come off

 

[Blank Stare]

So mayfield will get a pass nationally for a bum non throwing shoulder impacting his stats, but Josh not given the same consideration last year when he hurt his shoulder and his stats dipped for a few games. 
 

[Buffalo Boy]

1 minute ago, TheProcess said:

So mayfield will get a pass nationally for a bum non throwing shoulder impacting his stats, but Josh not given the same consideration last year when he hurt his shoulder and his stats dipped for a few games. 
 

Thurm????

Is that you????

[uninja]

1 minute ago, TheProcess said:

So mayfield will get a pass nationally for a bum non throwing shoulder impacting his stats, but Josh not given the same consideration last year when he hurt his shoulder and his stats dipped for a few games. 

 

I mean is he getting a pass? Also last year JA and Bills really tried to downplay the shoulder issue and didn't address it or make any noise about it. No sense in wallowing in self pity. Just go out there and win games.

[Blank Stare]

8 minutes ago, uninja said:

 

I mean is he getting a pass? Also last year JA and Bills really tried to downplay the shoulder issue and didn't address it or make any noise about it. No sense in wallowing in self pity. Just go out there and win games.

Did you read the OP?

 

“The good news is it's in his non-throwing shoulder. The bad news is that it explains why Mayfield has played so poorly the past two weeks, completing 53.1% of his passes for 6.2 yards per attempt while missing wide open receivers streaking across the field.”

 

No one is wallowing. Simply pointing out the media’s clear double standard between Josh Allen and other QBs. 
 

To be fair to Baker, he dismissed it as nothing (like Josh did when he was dinged). Said he just has to make the damn play. That’s exactly what he should say. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

33 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

So mayfield will get a pass nationally for a bum non throwing shoulder impacting his stats, but Josh not given the same consideration last year when he hurt his shoulder and his stats dipped for a few games. 
 

Actually I think most people did and as someone else stated the Bills downplayed it.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Maybe it’s poor recollection on my part 

but

 

i don’t recall the “experts” citing the injury 

 

Was it even mentioned in the MVP talk? 

[TheFunPolice]

Looks like that lineman didn't take kindly to Baker trying to sell his shoulder pads outside of the stadium

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Maybe it’s poor recollection on my part 

but

 

i don’t recall the “experts” citing the injury 

 

Was it even mentioned in the MVP talk? 

No because the injury wasn’t talked about much except for Matt hasselbeck on ESPN gameday. Baker’s shoulder has been discussed, by him, for weeks . He has a shoulder specialist named Dave Matthews 

Edited October 7, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

No because the injury wasn’t talked about much except for Matt hasselbeck on ESPN gameday. Baker’s shoulder has been discussed, by him, for weeks . He has a shoulder specialist named Dave Matthews 

Sounds like his shoulder specialist is Under the table and dreaming because Baker is headed toward a total Crash.  They need to start thinking about the future so Baker doesn't wind up on the heap of Busted Stuff with all the Browns past QBs. 

[NickelCity]

I have this injury in my dominant arm. Had it for 12+ years. When the pain flares up it sucks.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Sounds like his shoulder specialist is Under the table and dreaming because Baker is headed toward a total Crash.  They need to start thinking about the future so Baker doesn't wind up on the heap of Busted Stuff with all the Browns past QBs. 

Dave Matthews huh.

 

The way I'd like to be
For you, for me, come crash
Into me,
Crash into me
Crash into me
Crash into me
Crash into me

[YoloinOhio]

 

[That's No Moon]

I partially tore my labrum in my throwing shoulder in high school. Never got it fixed. I can confirm that it hurts. A lot. I knew I hurt something immediately and it was very bad immediately.  After a day or two it didn't hurt so long as I kept still but I couldn't raise my arm to open a doorknob for a long time. I drove one handed for a long time. I couldn't throw a ball without significant pain for a very long time. I played Legion ball the summer after I did that and it was very unpleasant to throw a ball even lightly. I played first base all summer and even then it was painful.

 

25+ years on it still bothers me from time to time but less so because I don't do throwing sports anymore. In my 20s and early 30s softball season would be rough at 3rd base. I could throw ok but after the game if I had to make more than a couple full effort throws I'd have a lot of pain until we got to the bar. Then I moved to pitcher and it was ok because I didn't have to lift my arm over my head to throw anymore. I could do that motion all day.

 

I never had the time in my life (4 months is the timeframe I was given when I asked) to fully immobilize my dominant hand for the period of time needed to do the surgery and since it doesn't affect my work or normal quality of life I never had it done.

[RoyBatty is alive]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Sounds like his shoulder specialist is Under the table and dreaming because Baker is headed toward a total Crash.  They need to start thinking about the future so Baker doesn't wind up on the heap of Busted Stuff with all the Browns past QBs. 

If we could only be so lucky.

 

I dont know why but Baker has always bothered me, he reminds me of a sober Johnny Manziel.

 

I will admit his commercials are pretty good, his agent doing a fine on with those.

[Rocbillsfan1]

As someone who partially tore their non throwing arm this would still majorly suck for a qb. It doesn’t really heal you just need rest and some Pt to build up strength around the area. Almost would be better to tear the whole thing and get surgery.

[Big Turk]

Nobody wanted to hear that Allen wearing the harness for four weeks last year hurt his throwing ability...I guess this lends more credence to it.

[DCofNC]

41 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

I have this injury in my dominant arm. Had it for 12+ years. When the pain flares up it sucks.

Same here and I absolutely do believe it impacts his ability to throw as well as before.  When it gets inflamed, my whole upper back is a mess.

[BigBuff423]

1 hour ago, TheProcess said:

So mayfield will get a pass nationally for a bum non throwing shoulder impacting his stats, but Josh not given the same consideration last year when he hurt his shoulder and his stats dipped for a few games. 
 

 

First thing I thought of as well....

[Haslett_Stomp]

30 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

If we could only be so lucky.

 

I dont know why but Baker has always bothered me, he reminds me of a sober Johnny Manziel.

 

I will admit his commercials are pretty good, his agent doing a fine on with those.

 

Make that So Damn Lucky

[DCofNC]

18 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

As someone who partially tore their non throwing arm this would still majorly suck for a qb. It doesn’t really heal you just need rest and some Pt to build up strength around the area. Almost would be better to tear the whole thing and get surgery.

Surgery and he’s on the shelf for the rest of the year.

[All_Pro_Bills]

What I don't understand about these injuries that get revealed 2 or 3 weeks after the fact is how that applies to the reporting requirements for and violations of the weekly injury report.  Aren't teams obligated by the rules to report all injuries?  And shouldn't the Browns have reported that partially torn Librium on the injury report prior to the week 3 games? 

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What I don't understand about these injuries that get revealed 2 or 3 weeks after the fact is how that applies to the reporting requirements for and violations of the weekly injury report.  Aren't teams obligated by the rules to report all injuries?  And shouldn't the Browns have reported that partially torn Librium on the injury report prior to the week 3 games? 

They are but the injuries need to be material so if a team wants to hide a "reasonable minor injury " they can do it.  Did we ever report J Allen last year when he was hurt at the start of the season? Teams would rather not report some injuries, just give the opposition a reason to target the injury.

 

Oh and keep the gambles guessing.

[hjnick]

Sounds like an excuse to me… he’s coming into a contract year.  BIG payday he wants.

 

I bet there is a shot they could give that would last for a couple of hours for the game…

[clearwater cadet]

If that is true, why would you put that out there?  So other teams can go after him, and defensive can play with more men in the box so they don't have to respect the intermediate or deep pass as much.

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s been terrible. They would have the same record with Keenum so just play him and let it heal. 

I read that it doesn’t require surgery “at this time”.   I’ve had a torn labrum and they do not heal on their own.  You can live with it but it causes issues.  Mine was caused by bench pressing.  After an initial recovery period it was fine except when load was applied in that direction.  I couldn’t bench press without my shoulder starting to dislocate.  That was the worst of it.  I did eventually have the surgery and got an anchor put in.  Recovery sucked.   My arm was immobilized for weeks.  The atrophy was brutal, but Mayfield is a lot younger than I was.  This season the much of the pain should go away soon - except if it’s moved the wrong way or gets further injured. 

[Utah John]

The real risk is that by his body naturally protecting the injury, his mechanics will be thrown off and this can possibly lead to another injury somewhere else.  He will still try to make the throws, and there will be compensating muscles brought into play.  He could twist his back or neck, or who knows what else.

 

The Browns have a strong team and a decent backup QB.  They should sit Mayfield for a few weeks and bring him back halfway through the season to get them into the playoffs.

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

No because the injury wasn’t talked about much except for Matt hasselbeck on ESPN gameday. Baker’s shoulder has been discussed, by him, for weeks . He has a shoulder specialist named Dave Matthews 

So I assume the physical therapy device Mayfield will use is the Dave Matthews Band.

 

Sorry, it was just sitting there.

[Scott7975]

Probably just like Josh had accuracy issues with his bad shoulder.  It isn't what caused his horrible interception against KC though.  That was just a bad decision.

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, transient said:

Someone should explain the difference between a labrum and a labia to OBJ.

Like the difference between mulva and ...

Oh wait, like the difference between Delores and ...

Seinfeld was awesome.

[Bferra13]

1 hour ago, clearwater cadet said:

If that is true, why would you put that out there?  So other teams can go after him, and defensive can play with more men in the box so they don't have to respect the intermediate or deep pass as much.

Damage control from the agent? He looks like crap.

[The Dean]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

No because the injury wasn’t talked about much except for Matt hasselbeck on ESPN gameday. Baker’s shoulder has been discussed, by him, for weeks . He has a shoulder specialist named Dave Matthews 

 

 

I'm thinking of getting a specialist for one particular body part. Her name is Crystal.

[FilthyBeast]

I still don't understand how teams get away with this stuff, just like Brady apparently playing with a knee injury all last season despite winning it all again.

 

You would think the NFL would crack down on teams for not reporting injuries.

 

But as far as Mayfield specifically, he's one of the main reasons they blew the game in KC in week one so not sure what the goal is here other than making excuses for him still being nothing more than a glorified game manager.

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, clearwater cadet said:

If that is true, why would you put that out there?  So other teams can go after him, and defensive can play with more men in the box so they don't have to respect the intermediate or deep pass as much.

He’s going to be wearing a harness, like Allen did.. probably a pretty big giveaway. 
 

I don’t have anything against Baker, but it is hilarious how there was barely a peep about Allen dealing with the same thing last year. 

[Don Otreply]

Sucks for Baker and his team, that’s for sure, on the other hand, it’s a very good thing to have an opponents QB not able to play well for likely an extended per of time. Yeah sounds crass, but it is what it is especially in a gladiator sport. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/teams/cle/cleveland-browns

 

Apparently it is affecting his throwing motion and impacting his accuracy...

 

"NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Browns QB Baker Mayfield suffered a partially torn labrum in his left shoulder in Week 2 against the Texans.

The good news is it's in his non-throwing shoulder. The bad news is that it explains why Mayfield has played so poorly the past two weeks, completing 53.1% of his passes for 6.2 yards per attempt while missing wide open receivers streaking across the field. Mayfield reportedly doesn't need surgery and will continue playing through the ailment, which could be spun as detrimental to the team rather than heroic. Case Keenum will undoubtedly come off the bench if Mayfield continues to struggle."

 

I thought when Josh had some kind of injury and was visibly wearing a linebacker brace he just sucked or was regressing.