Picking up Edmunds Option a Rare Beane Mistake

[Bigantall]

8 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Very rare to see someone so disliked. Especially after a dominating defensive shutout. What’s not rare? How many coaches we have on here trying their best to nitpick his game apart. He’s on the team, get over it and support the guy. 

What you think we don't want him to play well? but you have to call it out he should be playing better

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Non

 

 

Oh, please.

 

This defense is playing extremely well, and he's part of it.

 

In seasons when he's not injured, he has graded out very well in coverage.

 

He does make a good scapegoat, though. Maybe next you could complain about Star or Oliver. They're the other two that people desperate to attack somebody generally target.

 

He's still got some things to prove, but you're way off.

 

 

 

Ok Mrs Edmund

[JaCrispy]

I wish Edmunds was as good as Milano- then we might have something...

[thenorthremembers]

3 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

Edmunds is a very polarizing figure on these boards. He’s made the Pro Bowl 2 out his 3 years in the league but yet a lot of you say he’s terrible and want to run him out of town. I don’t get it. I hope we do offer him a contract 

I dont think you can assess his play by saying he made the pro bowl.   That honor means nothing anymore.  If you say All-Pro, thats a different story.   Tremaine is polarizing, because half of the board thinks he is a great player and the other half thinks he is a bum.  The reality is somewhere in between.   He is a little above average, but he doesnt make enough plays for me to consider him the long term expensive option at MLB. 

[CardinalScotts]

8 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

 

True but could you imagine this defense if we had just stayed put in the draft and taken Darius Leonard instead of Tremaine?  Wld be elite.

Well in three more years when edmunds is 26 the same age as Leonard right now will be able to compare

[Brennan Huff]

7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont think you can assess his play by saying he made the pro bowl.   That honor means nothing anymore.  If you say All-Pro, thats a different story.   Tremaine is polarizing, because half of the board thinks he is a great player and the other half thinks he is a bum.  The reality is somewhere in between.   He is a little above average, but he doesnt make enough plays for me to consider him the long term expensive option at MLB. 

Making the Pro Bowl 2 out of your first 3 years doesn’t mean everything, but it certainly means something. I’d say above average is a fair assessment of him. He’s still only 23 years old

[1ManRaid]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

He was invisible in the second half.  I didn’t see him make any plays. 

 

I hope this is a joke, considering they were letting him rest after cramping in the 100 degree weather and a several touchdown lead against a weak offense.

25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Guy had one tackle yesterday.😂

 

Hes invisible…. Paying him a gigantic contract would be ridiculous…. And if they do I guarantee it will be McD that pushes for it. He loves the guy for some reason. 

 

The thing about being good in coverage is the backup QB tends not to target you for you to get tackles...

Also he sat the second half with heat cramps while we had a big lead.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

I hope this is a joke, considering they were letting him rest after cramping in the 100 degree weather and a several touchdown lead against a weak offense.

 

 

Yep… I’m surprised the phins didn’t start attacking the middle when he went out. 
 

[1ManRaid]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yep… I’m surprised the phins didn’t start attacking the middle when he went out. 
 

 

Eh, backup QB against a dominating pass rush and decent LB depth.

[JaCrispy]

The difference between Edmunds and Milano in my opinion?

 

Edmunds is a physically gifted athletic freak...Milano is a football player...👍

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

10 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

He was out of the game for much of the 2nd half with cramps.  Must be terrible with the Bills allowing an average of 234 yards a game of offense.

 

And yet, while he was out for most of the second half, there was no appreciable drop off in the defensive performance.

 

He is not a difference maker. 12-13 million for a JAG is pretty pricey. I get it from a roster situation going into next year.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

 

True but could you imagine this defense if we had just stayed put in the draft and taken Darius Leonard instead of Tremaine?  Wld be elite.

Or if we had taken Mack from UB at #4 instead of Sammy Watkins.

[JohnNord]

10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Right decision to pick up the option.  They had to find out if he could play and he may still yet play better this year.  I think it's unlikely and they can move on from him at the end of the season.  Someone will pick him up in free agency and they won't be on the hook for his full guaranteed salary.  I'm pretty sure there is offset language even for 5th year options.  

This is what I’m thinking.  You give him time to show his potential.  If he doesn’t, then don’t re-sign him to a big contract 

[Alphadawg7]

 

9 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Some guys are just good football players, and some guys are not.  Edmunds does not have the right body type to play MLB.  He is just too long.  He can't get any leverage to make tackles. 

Lmao…2 pro bowls in 3 years leading his team in tackles says otherwise.

Edited September 20, 2021 by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

10 hours ago, Billy Zabka said:

I think it's time, watching him play his 4th season, that we have to finally admit that Tremaine Edmunds is simply not a very good MLB.  This is a glamour position in a McD defense and he rarely makes any plays.  On top of that he struggles to even make routine plays.  Sure he racks up tackle numbers and a bogus pro Bowl nod last year hugging guys down 8 yards downfield as a 3 down LB in the middle of this D, but that's about it.  He grades out poor in coverage, misses tackles, struggles to get off blocks and is indecisive out there.  Edmunds was probably the only weak link out there on D today and was outplayed by journeyman AJ Klein when he left the game with cramps.  I wanted to give him time realizing that he was so young and learning a new position but 4 years is enough.  The Bills who will be cap strapped next year should not have picked up his 12.7 million option because he doesn't warrant the salary, the trade up for the pick and option pick up will go down as a rare Beane whiff imo.  I hope I'm wrong but I don't see it an Edmunds turnaround happening.

Geezus, is this thread for real?

 

LMAO…only on TSW will we shutout a team 35-0 and people come on here to throw the captain of the defense, who left the game early, under the bus.

 

NEWSFLASH:  Our defense has been one of the best, if not the best unit in football through the first 2 weeks of the season.

 

How about addressing a real problem and start threads on the ineptness of our OL so far.  
 

Clearly someone saw a play they thought Edmunds should have done differently in their mind and suddenly they think he sucks.  There are even people in here quoting his stats yesterday off a stat sheet not knowing he left the game because they didn’t even watch him play.  Just showing how little people even know what they are talking about here.

 

Terrible thread.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

They have changed the rules and the 5th  year option salary is now guaranteed when it is exercised…

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-guide-to-fifth-year-options-for-every-nfl-teams-first-round-pick-from-2018/

I know but I still think offset language applies. Meaning if he is guaranteed for 12M and he is cut and signs for 8M somewhere else the Bills are only on the hook for the 4M difference. 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said:

Making the Pro Bowl 2 out of your first 3 years doesn’t mean everything, but it certainly means something. I’d say above average is a fair assessment of him. He’s still only 23 years old

There is not a poster on this board that thinks he deserved to make the ProBowl last year.  Like I posted before the season started I'm evaluating him with a clean slate. 

Its highly unlikely they move on from him. Let's be honest the opportunity cost of replacing him is far too great when they have bigger issues to address next offseason on the OL and defensive backfield. 

I would like nothing more than for Edmunds to be a dominant MLB for another 5-8 years. I hope he earns an extension. 

[QCity]

40 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

And yet, while he was out for most of the second half, there was no appreciable drop off in the defensive performance.

 

He is not a difference maker. 12-13 million for a JAG is pretty pricey. I get it from a roster situation going into next year.

 

He's a replaceable player.

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, MJS said:

He played well today until he went in to get hydrated. And I'm sure he would have gone back in if the score wasn't so lopsided.

 

Edmunds is a good player. He just isn't traditional, hard-hitting type of linebacker that fans are used to seeing. He is a coverage linebacker. He's long, fast, and athletic.

 

Yes, he isn't an All-Pro caliber linebacker, but that's fine. Not all your prayers can be that.

He definitely isn't a traditional MLB. He's good at his strength which is covering TE's. But as much as we all want him to succeed,  he'll never be great or elite. He's kinda your Chris Kelsay of LB's. His flaws are obvious to even his supporters but he is a tackle machine. I'd just like a few more TFL's mixed in. The option was the right call but I highly doubt he gets a big contract from us down the road. 

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Guy had one tackle yesterday.😂

 

Hes invisible…. Paying him a gigantic contract would be ridiculous…. And if they do I guarantee it will be McD that pushes for it. He loves the guy for some reason. 

I think McD is a little bit delusional if he thinks he can somehow turn Edmunds into Keuckly. 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

And yet, while he was out for most of the second half, there was no appreciable drop off in the defensive performance.

 

He is not a difference maker. 12-13 million for a JAG is pretty pricey. I get it from a roster situation going into next year.

 

Most NFL talent evaluators would disagree with your assessment. Therefore I will take their opinion over yours.

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Or if we had taken Mack from UB at #4 instead of Sammy Watkins.

 

Or Brian Bulaga or JPP instead of CJ Spiller in 2010. Hindsight is 20/20

[Alphadawg7]

51 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

There is not a poster on this board that thinks he deserved to make the ProBowl last year.  

How many posters on this board felt he didn’t deserve the pro bowl literally means pretty much nothing.  This is the same board that posts some of the dumbest threads ever and they get to double digit pages.  
 

He’s made the pro bowl 2 of his first 3 years in the league, he is literally constantly talked about by our opponents as a beast and someone they must game plan for, he’s the captain of our defense, and he’s still only like 23.  

 

The fact our defense was dominant 2 weeks in a row and this thread exists shows just how unimportant the thoughts of posters here are.  The fact people are piling on a guy who didn’t even play the whole game after a 35-0 win again shows how little it matters what people here think.

 

We got real problems at OL and people are here whining about Edmunds?  
 

Lmao, it’s like this has become bizarro world.  Edmunds isn’t even remotely close to a “problem” here compared to the other things we need to fix.  If someone wants to debate what size his next contract should be…fine.  But to come on here and call picking up his option a mistake is utterly absurd.

[Nextmanup]

12 hours ago, Billy Zabka said:

I think it's time, watching him play his 4th season, that we have to finally admit that Tremaine Edmunds is simply not a very good MLB.  This is a glamour position in a McD defense and he rarely makes any plays.  On top of that he struggles to even make routine plays.  Sure he racks up tackle numbers and a bogus pro Bowl nod last year hugging guys down 8 yards downfield as a 3 down LB in the middle of this D, but that's about it.  He grades out poor in coverage, misses tackles, struggles to get off blocks and is indecisive out there.  Edmunds was probably the only weak link out there on D today and was outplayed by journeyman AJ Klein when he left the game with cramps.  I wanted to give him time realizing that he was so young and learning a new position but 4 years is enough.  The Bills who will be cap strapped next year should not have picked up his 12.7 million option because he doesn't warrant the salary, the trade up for the pick and option pick up will go down as a rare Beane whiff imo.  I hope I'm wrong but I don't see it an Edmunds turnaround happening.

Here is something for everyone to consider.

 

A guy playing in Edmunds' spot on the field is in a very privileged position.  He should be making plays left and right, simply b/c he is the right guy in the right place to do that.

And yet, as the OP notes, watch how often he disappears in games or you never really notice him doing anything special, often for entire games. 

 

That's not right and it should tell you something is off.

 

 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Most NFL talent evaluators would disagree with your assessment. Therefore I will take their opinion over yours.

 

which ones, and cite sources.... I'd love to know what talent evaluators still think he is a difference maker. I would genuinely like to know.

[appoo]

Edmunds was probowl level against the Steelers, really good until he needed to get hydrated against the Phins. 

 

He's a freakin weapon  and the Bills have the best LB in tandem in theleague with him an Milano, and it shows

[RyanC883]

8 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

I would need to understand exactly what his role is in the defense before judging him.   I am thinking the front 6 is more of a gap integrity, manage your gap and then go to the ball type of approach,  rather than keep the LBs clean so they can make all the tackles.   I might be wrong.   Has any one actually studied how McD plays defense?   It's not a "star maker" defense, it's kind of a 1/11th "control your gap/play zone behind it" approach to it isn't it?   

 

they had some star LB’s on the Panther D with McD.  

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

How many posters on this board felt he didn’t deserve the pro bowl literally means pretty much nothing.  This is the same board that posts some of the dumbest threads ever and they get to double digit pages.  
 

He’s made the pro bowl 2 of his first 3 years in the league, he is literally constantly talked about by our opponents as a beast and someone they must game plan for, he’s the captain of our defense, and he’s still only like 23.  

 

The fact our defense was dominant 2 weeks in a row and this thread exists shows just how unimportant the thoughts of posters here are.  The fact people are piling on a guy who didn’t even play the whole game after a 35-0 win again shows how little it matters what people here think.

 

We got real problems at OL and people are here whining about Edmunds?  
 

Lmao, it’s like this has become bizarro world.  Edmunds isn’t even remotely close to a “problem” here compared to the other things we need to fix.  If someone wants to debate what size his next contract should be…fine.  But to come on here and call picking up his option a mistake is utterly absurd.

 

true, Edmunds is not costing us games or royally messing up like the OL.  The OL is an issue, as is Allens timing/velocity.  

 

That said, nothing wrong with discussing if Edmunds was worth the option and cost.  I think it was the perfect move because he has talent but it’s not put together and this gives Bills time to further evaluate.  

[John from Riverside]

Hmmmm......some people just wont let this go

 

Edmunds played very well in the season opener....if you cant admit that your blind

 

In the second game he went out with dehydration......he could have gone back in but they were in command of the game by that time and Klein was playing well

 

Give it a rest.....Edmunds is going to get this season to prove himself

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Dude what? One of Miami’s first plays he took a bad angle on a running play as the Gaskin completely ran past him… the defense didn’t miss a beat without him in the 2nd half. He’s gone after his contract expires.

35-0

[Eastport bills]

Why do some people write off players after what they think in their infinite wisdom, is a poor performance in 1 game. No film study,no evaluation expertees,just red hot fan madness. What exactly did Edmunds not do in the 35 pt blowout? 

[Alphadawg7]

38 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

true, Edmunds is not costing us games or royally messing up like the OL.  The OL is an issue, as is Allens timing/velocity.  

 

That said, nothing wrong with discussing if Edmunds was worth the option and cost.  I think it was the perfect move because he has talent but it’s not put together and this gives Bills time to further evaluate.  

Like I said, fine if people want to talk about his future and next contract, but to flat out call picking up his option a mistake is beyond ridiculous.  There isn’t a single person professionally linked to football who would ever for one second call his option a mistake. That is so egregious it’s mind numbing.  
 

Does it mean Bills should automatically give him some huge contract next?  No, it does not, they will weigh his performance and value and make a decision.  But it’s beyond foolish to suggest the option was a mistake as it’s foolish to be starting a thread after a 35-0 win suggesting he’s the problem.  
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Like I said, fine if people want to talk about his future and next contract, but to flat out call picking up his option a mistake is beyond ridiculous.  There isn’t a single person professionally linked to football who would ever for one second call his option a mistake. That is so egregious it’s mind numbing.  
 

Does it mean Bills should automatically give him some huge contract next?  No, it does not, they will weigh his performance and value and make a decision.  But it’s beyond foolish to suggest the option was a mistake as it’s foolish to be starting a thread after a 35-0 win suggesting he’s the problem.  
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Edmunds plays the entire game, the Dolphins probably score 38 points in the 2nd half.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Here is something for everyone to consider.

 

A guy playing in Edmunds' spot on the field is in a very privileged position.  He should be making plays left and right, simply b/c he is the right guy in the right place to do that.

And yet, as the OP notes, watch how often he disappears in games or you never really notice him doing anything special, often for entire games. 

 

That's not right and it should tell you something is off.

 

 

Lets make sure that we dont hold him to a higher standard then his counterparts.....which you are

 

and

 

There have been 2 games played in this season.....Edmunds played very well in one of those games....in game 2 he was off the field for a medical reason

 

And those sir....are the facts

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, QCity said:

 

He's a replaceable player.

Everyone is replaceable 

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

Why do some people write off players after what they think in their infinite wisdom, is a poor performance in 1 game. No film study,no evaluation expertees,just red hot fan madness. What exactly did Edmunds not do in the 35 pt blowout? 

The whole point of being a fan is passing judgement...

[Bangarang]

I honestly forgot he didn’t play in the 2nd half. There was no noticeable effect with him not on the field. 

[theRalph]

Utter, conclusion-based, nonsense.

[HurlyBurly51]

16 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Poyer or Hyde could've been given it, then

But your original point was Edmunds was given the game ball based on his performance.  Context.

[Eastport bills]

55 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

The whole point of being a fan is passing judgement...

Knock yourself out, but try and connect to a realistic foundation for knee-jerk lunacy. One game in and killing the organization for extending a 22 year old with freak measurables.

[RunTheBall]

I can’t wait to watch so many heads explode on this board when the Edmunds extension gets announced. McBeane love them some Tremaine and it will probably get done next off season.

[BADOLBILZ]

59 minutes ago, theRalph said:

Utter, conclusion-based, nonsense.

 

If you don't like conclusion-based analysis then you should quit watching sports.

 

KC lost 3 games last season........Tampa lost 5 but finished ahead of them because that's how the system works.

 

Edmunds doesn't make big plays.........50+ games into his career it's clearly not an aberration.

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I can’t wait to watch so many heads explode on this board when the Edmunds extension gets announced. McBeane love them some Tremaine and it will probably get done next off season.

 

They will want to sign him and will unless Edmunds and his agent want too much money.  What that cutoff will be I don't know.