Rigotz Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Everyone put your conspiracy theory hats on... now that Darryl Johnson has been traded, my suspicions were confirmed. Did anyone else notice Darryl Johnson getting a ton of hype from the local media this off-season, lots of run during the pre-season, and non-stop barrage of positive press from his coaches? The guy is a very good player, but it seemed very odd for him to be getting THAT much hype. The other player that follows this same script is Jake Kumerow. Non-stop positive press from his coaches, seemingly engineered touches during the pre-season that play to his strengths, and lots of talk in the local media about his special teams ability. With Green Bay trying to keep Aaron Rodgers happy, perhaps Beane is smelling blood on the water? My theory: the Bills had too much talent at DE and WR, so coaches put Kumerow and Darryl Johnson in position to succeed this pre-season, then asked the local media and coaches to gush about their progress, potential, and Special Teams ability. Thoughts? We'll see if Kumerow gets traded as well... 2 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Shhh not so loud 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Would not surprise me. That being said I would feel better about trading Kumerow then I do about Johnson right now. Though that would be shipping out two guys that figured to play big ST roles...so maybe not? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) I think it’s a bit different. Kumerow was getting the hype from the media because he was making plays. Edited August 30, 2021 by YoloinOhio 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Everyone put your conspiracy theory hats on... now that Darryl Johnson has been traded, my suspicions were confirmed. Did anyone else notice Darryl Johnson getting a ton of hype from the local media this off-season, lots of run during the pre-season, and non-stop barrage of positive press from his coaches? The guy is a very good player, but it seemed very odd for him to be getting THAT much hype. The other player that follows this same script is Jake Kumerow. Non-stop positive press from his coaches, seemingly engineered touches during the pre-season that play to his strengths, and lots of talk in the local media about his special teams ability. With Green Bay trying to keep Aaron Rodgers happy, perhaps Beane is smelling blood on the water? My theory: the Bills had too much talent at DE and WR, so coaches put Kumerow and Darryl Johnson in position to succeed this pre-season, then asked the local media and coaches to gush about their progress, potential, and Special Teams ability. Thoughts? We'll see if Kumerow gets traded as well... Why trade the big, red zone threat? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Beane is so good he even got Aaron Rodgers to hype Kumerow up so we’d get a better draft pick. 4 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Everyone put your conspiracy theory hats on... now that Darryl Johnson has been traded, my suspicions were confirmed. Did anyone else notice Darryl Johnson getting a ton of hype from the local media this off-season, lots of run during the pre-season, and non-stop barrage of positive press from his coaches? The guy is a very good player, but it seemed very odd for him to be getting THAT much hype. The other player that follows this same script is Jake Kumerow. Non-stop positive press from his coaches, seemingly engineered touches during the pre-season that play to his strengths, and lots of talk in the local media about his special teams ability. With Green Bay trying to keep Aaron Rodgers happy, perhaps Beane is smelling blood on the water? My theory: the Bills had too much talent at DE and WR, so coaches put Kumerow and Darryl Johnson in position to succeed this pre-season, then asked the local media and coaches to gush about their progress, potential, and Special Teams ability. Thoughts? We'll see if Kumerow gets traded as well... I heard a lot in the Media about Kumerow making plays. The Media barely talked about Johnson. I think you are way overthinking this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Why trade the big, red zone threat? Agreed. Beasley and Sanders aren't going to be on this team for long and Kumerow could easily have a starting role in this office come 1-2 years from now. Diggs, Davis, Kumerow isn't that far away for me. Even if Beasley stays a few years, our number 4 WR (Davis last year) still gets a lot of work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) I like Jake a lot, but his time is now and not in 2-3 years. The guy is not a rookie. He's 29. He's also a tall guy - a "bigger" receiver, so I don't see him replacing smaller guys like Beasley and Sanders. He's a solid WR 4-7 who will get snaps in special situations such as red zone (jump balls) and 5 wide. Just my opinions, of course. I have no special insights. Edited August 30, 2021 by msw2112 Changed "Davis" to "Sanders" 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 minute ago, msw2112 said: I like Jake a lot, but his time is now and not in 2-3 years. The guy is not a rookie. He's 29. He's also a tall guy - a "bigger" receiver, so I don't see him replacing smaller guys like Beasley and Davis. He's a solid WR 4-7 who will get snaps in special situations such as red zone (jump balls) and 5 wide. Just my opinions, of course. I have no special insights. don't forget that he is one of our bigger receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: don't forget that he is one of our bigger receivers. The concept was not lost on me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Bobby Hart looks a lot like John Hannah on some running plays 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, msw2112 said: I like Jake a lot, but his time is now and not in 2-3 years. The guy is not a rookie. He's 29. He's also a tall guy - a "bigger" receiver, so I don't see him replacing smaller guys like Beasley and Davis. He's a solid WR 4-7 who will get snaps in special situations such as red zone (jump balls) and 5 wide. Just my opinions, of course. I have no special insights. Exactly - this is his ceiling right now. I’m fine if we keep him as a Duke Williams that can actually come down with the ball in bounds, but the idea that he’ll transcend into a #3 on this team after he turns 30 is silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Everyone put your conspiracy theory hats on... now that Darryl Johnson has been traded, my suspicions were confirmed. Did anyone else notice Darryl Johnson getting a ton of hype from the local media this off-season, lots of run during the pre-season, and non-stop barrage of positive press from his coaches? The guy is a very good player, but it seemed very odd for him to be getting THAT much hype. The other player that follows this same script is Jake Kumerow. Non-stop positive press from his coaches, seemingly engineered touches during the pre-season that play to his strengths, and lots of talk in the local media about his special teams ability. With Green Bay trying to keep Aaron Rodgers happy, perhaps Beane is smelling blood on the water? My theory: the Bills had too much talent at DE and WR, so coaches put Kumerow and Darryl Johnson in position to succeed this pre-season, then asked the local media and coaches to gush about their progress, potential, and Special Teams ability. Thoughts? We'll see if Kumerow gets traded as well... there is the media's extrapolation of the coaches presser, based on training camp reps and there is the fans consumption of same, which in tends to over-analyze, sensantionalize (see Rodgers Aaron GM wannabe comments) , etc ,bottom of the roster players, Jake K was cut by the Pack, the Bills and the Saints, so he his on his fourth chance in one year. the glass is half-full in that he is getting chances, but its half-empty in that he is bottom-half of anyone receiving core, and really wont move up unless better receiver(s) are hurt...he is this board's new posterboy replacing Duke Williams... Edited August 30, 2021 by First Round Bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 To those rolling their eyes, which is more likely: Scenario A: Kumerow, a player who was cut by the Bengals, Patriots, Packers, Bills, and Saints, at 29 years old is all of a sudden "making plays all over the field." Scenario B: He's getting hyped up in an effort to get some value for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Kumerow is talked about a lot due to the Aaron Rodgers story from last year. That is far more the reason he is in the media than some conspiracy to set up a trade later on. As far as D Johnson is concerned... this is just typical Beane MO. It's what he has done every year prior, except last year in the odd year, and usually it has been with OLinemen. He overstocks the trenches, and then trades away the guys who would be otherwise cut because there are usually teams looking for help along the lines at the end of camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 39 minutes ago, msw2112 said: I like Jake a lot, but his time is now and not in 2-3 years. The guy is not a rookie. He's 29. He's also a tall guy - a "bigger" receiver, so I don't see him replacing smaller guys like Beasley and Davis. He's a solid WR 4-7 who will get snaps in special situations such as red zone (jump balls) and 5 wide. Just my opinions, of course. I have no special insights. Agree with much of your post but wouldnt call Davis (6'3" and 212 pound) small. Maybe you were thinking of McKenzie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I heard they asked Rodgers to mention Kumerow during his hold out with the packers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 53 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Bobby Hart looks a lot like John Hannah on some running plays John Hannah is 70 years old and can probably still play better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I'd prefer to keep Kumerow for the next 2 seasons but if we were to trade him what's his value. A 5th or 6th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: Everyone put your conspiracy theory hats on... now that Darryl Johnson has been traded, my suspicions were confirmed. Did anyone else notice Darryl Johnson getting a ton of hype from the local media this off-season, lots of run during the pre-season, and non-stop barrage of positive press from his coaches? The guy is a very good player, but it seemed very odd for him to be getting THAT much hype. The other player that follows this same script is Jake Kumerow. Non-stop positive press from his coaches, seemingly engineered touches during the pre-season that play to his strengths, and lots of talk in the local media about his special teams ability. With Green Bay trying to keep Aaron Rodgers happy, perhaps Beane is smelling blood on the water? My theory: the Bills had too much talent at DE and WR, so coaches put Kumerow and Darryl Johnson in position to succeed this pre-season, then asked the local media and coaches to gush about their progress, potential, and Special Teams ability. Thoughts? We'll see if Kumerow gets traded as well... I think you're thinking too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 47 minutes ago, mattynh said: I heard they asked Rodgers to mention Kumerow during his hold out with the packers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think it’s a bit different. Kumerow was getting the hype from the media because he was making plays. Thanks Yolo.....the OP had his conspiracy hat tightened down a wee bit too much..... Go BILLS! 1 hour ago, DasNootz said: Exactly - this is his ceiling right now. I’m fine if we keep him as a Duke Williams that can actually come down with the ball in bounds, but the idea that he’ll transcend into a #3 on this team after he turns 30 is silly. Well Sanders is WR#2-3 @ 30+ years. Then there is the Lorax example. Was a ST ace for years upon years upon years and then blossomed into a starter. Not saying it happens a lot but it does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I actually thought that Addison was being 'groomed' for a trade earlier in the preseason. There were a number of articles about his newfound leadership, and how he is in great shape, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said: Agree with much of your post but wouldnt call Davis (6'3" and 212 pound) small. Maybe you were thinking of McKenzie? Good catch. I actually meant to say Sanders and was referencing an earlier post that mentioned Beasley and Sanders, both of whom are getting up there in age. Clearly, Davis is much younger (and bigger). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: To those rolling their eyes, which is more likely: Scenario A: Kumerow, a player who was cut by the Bengals, Patriots, Packers, Bills, and Saints, at 29 years old is all of a sudden "making plays all over the field." Scenario B: He's getting hyped up in an effort to get some value for him. He did, however, make the plays… unless you think everyone in the media has been lying for a month at the request of the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DasNootz Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 42 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Thanks Yolo.....the OP had his conspiracy hat tightened down a wee bit too much..... Go BILLS! Well Sanders is WR#2-3 @ 30+ years. Then there is the Lorax example. Was a ST ace for years upon years upon years and then blossomed into a starter. Not saying it happens a lot but it does happen. Sanders' output bell curves with age too - his most productive years were at age 27 and 28 - younger than Kumerow is now. Lorax is certainly an exception - though he never played WR. How many WRs were JAGs from 22-29 and blossomed after the age of 30? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Kumorow is likely replacing Johnson on STs. Consider that TD Jesus is better at his primary job (WR) than Johnson was at his primary job (DE) so this becomes the obvious tactical move by Beanes office, ask yourself? How many positive plays in practice, preseason games and in season games do each player represent? JK wins hands down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Kumorow is our latest love. We fall in love around here more than Jennefer Lopez. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Virgil said: Agreed. Beasley and Sanders aren't going to be on this team for long and Kumerow could easily have a starting role in this office come 1-2 years from now. Diggs, Davis, Kumerow isn't that far away for me. Even if Beasley stays a few years, our number 4 WR (Davis last year) still gets a lot of work. I think McKenzie replaces Beasley by the end of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think it’s a bit different. Kumerow was getting the hype from the media because he was making plays. I was Bam looking pretty damn from that end position.... He's very big and athletic just not a natural at end. I think the panthers are happy to pay just a sixth (though it is understandable that the Bills really couldn't ask for more.) At worst, they got an excellent STs player.... Not bad for a sixth. He is very young as well. I think we keep Kumerow if Beane is anything like me.....that is, extremely nervous that WR depth can dry up overnight. I don't think you'd get more than a 7th so I'd rather have him. Even on the PS if that's the way it has to be.... I do think Daboll can run offense through Kumerow as long as Diggs and others are also on the field. What we don't know about however is what Hodgins and Stevenson looked like all camp. I guess Hodgins was cleared to practice recently but I'm not sure on that? Anyone know for sure either way? If the Bills think they have good potential, I think that maybe trumps Kumerow's what he can do for us now. I don't know, it depends on how much potential? What are their ceilings they think? I don't think we keep all three like Joe B thinks.... Unless we put a couple on IR right after they make the roster. 1 hour ago, Rebel101 said: I think McKenzie replaces Beasley by the end of the year That would be something if he could. You might be underestimating Beasley and overestimating McKenzie. Beasley is pretty good at sensing where not to go so he doesn't get too injured. Not sure McKenzie can do that? I like the way Beasley plays the game. Gets wildly open and avoids those hits he cannot take usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, billybrew1 said: I was Bam looking pretty damn from that end position.... He's very big and athletic just not a natural at end. I think the panthers are happy to pay just a sixth (though it is understandable that the Bills really couldn't ask for more.) At worst, they got an excellent STs player.... Not bad for a sixth. He is very young as well. I think we keep Kumerow if Beane is anything like me.....that is, extremely nervous that WR depth can dry up overnight. I don't think you'd get more than a 7th so I'd rather have him. Even on the PS if that's the way it has to be.... I do think Daboll can run offense through Kumerow as long as Diggs and others are also on the field. What we don't know about however is what Hodgins and Stevenson looked like all camp. I guess Hodgins was cleared to practice recently but I'm not sure on that? Anyone know for sure either way? If the Bills think they have good potential, I think that maybe trumps Kumerow's what he can do for us now. I don't know, it depends on how much potential? What are their ceilings they think? I don't think we keep all three like Joe B thinks.... Unless we put a couple on IR right after they make the roster. That would be something if he could. You might be underestimating Beasley and overestimating McKenzie. Beasley is pretty good at sensing where not to go so he doesn't get too injured. Not sure McKenzie can do that? I like the way Beasley plays the game. Gets wildly open and avoids those hits he cannot take usually. I feel like Beasley takes the worst hits out of any Buffalo Bill not always but when he gets hit he gets rocked. And I think McKenzie is finding himself as a receiver learning from some of the best in the game. Hence why he came back so cheap. N it’s not so much Beasley play as it’s gonna be a covid issue. That’s why McKenzie got vaccinated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 He was going to be an extremely minor contributor. I'll take that 6th. I'm sure Beane c wanted a 5, Car wanted a 7th and they agreed on a 6th. We're still extremely deep at DE and the DL in genera6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Back to Green Bay for for 2 firsts and a second rounder Your a wizard Mr Beane 15 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: I actually thought that Addison was being 'groomed' for a trade earlier in the preseason. There were a number of articles about his newfound leadership, and how he is in great shape, etc. Best shape of his life and he was hitting the curve ball now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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