JohnNord Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Interesting to note that the reporter said he “struggled” in the preseason. My guess is that he’s underperformed since leaving Buffalo. There has to be a reason why Miami signed him to a big deal and traded him for little return one season later. Now Houston traded him for less in return after a months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, HappyDays said: That looks like a Bill's move from the previous regimes.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: I think the Jets did decent here. Me too. Lawson is serviceable. For a 6th rounder pick? If I was the Jets I would do that deal 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Houston picking up a 6th rd pick for a guy they were cutting is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Me too. Lawson is serviceable. For a 6th rounder pick? If I was the Jets I would do that deal Covers the loss of DE Carl Lawson for the year there and they were somewhat screwed at the position currently. If Shaq shows up you basically landed a starter for a 6th rd pick which any club would do that is desperate for DE help this year. This is basically another contract year for Shaq as well whom will work with a solid D Head Coach. Lastly, he knows the Bills and Miami pretty well now. Edited August 29, 2021 by Real McNasty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 6th round pick… life comes at you fast The Jets would have been better off sending that pick to Jacksonville 2 days earlier for Minshew. When a team has 2 guys as backups who have never played & the only player to play in the NFL, UFL, AAF, & XFL -traveling man (and ex-Bill among many stops) Josh Johnson, they could have used Minshew as their primary backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobesBLO13 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 On 8/27/2021 at 9:47 PM, dje85 said: Woudn't be surprised if Lawson ends up on the Jets their des are dropping like flies. Good call sir. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 The Jets lost the two guys they signed to start at end for the season - Carl Lawson and Vinny Curry. They have a desperate need at the position. Their other guys are all very inexperienced. They have Zuniga and Huff (albeit Huff a bit of a tweener in Saleh's scheme) who are second year players and a former 49ers backup who has about 4 career starts. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 So 100 bucks says Lawson will be cut from the Jets after this year lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Houston picking up a 6th rd pick for a guy they were cutting is impressive. FO of Einsteins let me tell ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: Covers the loss of DE Carl Lawson for the year there and they were somewhat screwed at the position currently. If Shaq shows up you basically landed a starter for a 6th rd pick which any club would do that is desperate for DE help this year. This is basically another contract year for Shaq as well whom will work with a solid D Head Coach. Lastly, he knows the Bills and Miami pretty well now. He doesn't know THESE Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Once again Bills showing they get the best out of their players in this defense. He hasn’t been able to do anything since leaving. And now we get to exploit him for 2 games this year again. 21 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: Covers the loss of DE Carl Lawson for the year there and they were somewhat screwed at the position currently. If Shaq shows up you basically landed a starter for a 6th rd pick which any club would do that is desperate for DE help this year. This is basically another contract year for Shaq as well whom will work with a solid D Head Coach. Lastly, he knows the Bills and Miami pretty well now. Seems we know Salahs defense pretty well (with better players than Jets) https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401220357 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: FO of Einsteins let me tell ya They were going to cut him so the dead money was coming either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mat68 said: They were going to cut him so the dead money was coming either way. Caserio Has a mess to fix there. They are not going to be good for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 11:58 AM, BuffaloBills1998 said: I wonder if that 19 season was because he was due a new contract and not so much him finally understanding McD’s defensive scheme. Kind of funny that him and Philips chased the money and have had no success since leaving Buffalo That was the viewpoint of some here - that he was working his butt off to "get paid" and 2020 Lawson wouldn't have been the same guy as 2019 Lawson. But we don't get to rewind and find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: Covers the loss of DE Carl Lawson for the year there and they were somewhat screwed at the position currently. If Shaq shows up you basically landed a starter for a 6th rd pick which any club would do that is desperate for DE help this year. This is basically another contract year for Shaq as well whom will work with a solid D Head Coach. Lastly, he knows the Bills and Miami pretty well now. He does not cover the loss of Carl Lawson. Shaq was average in Buffalo with a great defensive coach. He was a failure in Miami with a head coach that had a top defense. Shaq found no opportunity to rush the passer - he is basically a contain DE - not something NYJ needs. In the end to me - Shaq is a below average DE that will play, but he isn’t a guy I would worry about. He is a guy I would attack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 35 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Houston picking up a 6th rd pick for a guy they were cutting is impressive. I think the Jets badly need help at DE with all their injuries, and if they can trade and assure themselves that they get that help vs. waiting and rummaging through the cutout bin, it's a good use of a late round pick and a Win for both sides. On 8/28/2021 at 1:42 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said: Yeah he was hurt but when he came back he didn’t do much. Possible Phillips was still impacted by injury. Or possible he'd just much rather be playing golf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the Jets badly need help at DE with all their injuries, and if they can trade and assure themselves that they get that help vs. waiting and rummaging through the cutout bin, it's a good use of a late round pick and a Win for both sides. I have just said it in the shoutbox but their most "experienced" defensive end in terms of starts pre bringing Shaq in is 2nd year 3rd rounder out of Florida Jabril Zuniga with 8. They are desperate. Shaq probably becomes the 4th most proven player on that Jets starting D. They are in trouble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Real McClappy Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: He does not cover the loss of Carl Lawson. Shaq was average in Buffalo with a great defensive coach. He was a failure in Miami with a head coach that had a top defense. Shaq found no opportunity to rush the passer - he is basically a contain DE - not something NYJ needs. In the end to me - Shaq is a below average DE that will play, but he isn’t a guy I would worry about. He is a guy I would attack. Dude they are desperate on the line. You could do a lot worse by doing nothing than giving up a 6th rd pick for a former 1st rd pick. Lawson played just as average in Miami last year as he did in his Bills career here. The Jets did fine here considering their circumstances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That was the viewpoint of some here - that he was working his butt off to "get paid" and 2020 Lawson wouldn't have been the same guy as 2019 Lawson. But we don't get to rewind and find out I tend to agree…why else would Miami have moved on from him after one season after making such a big investment? It’s not like they received a ton in return. Also how bad could he have performed in the preseason to be cut from a roster like Houston’s? Not sure if it’s injuries or attitude, but I don’t think NYJ is getting the Shaq Lawson who played well for the Bills in 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnNord said: Interesting to note that the reporter said he “struggled” in the preseason. My guess is that he’s underperformed since leaving Buffalo. There has to be a reason why Miami signed him to a big deal and traded him for little return one season later. Now Houston traded him for less in return after a months. He underperformed his draft position and then he underperformed the contract he got in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Houston must be actively trying to lose with their decision making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said: Houston must be actively trying to lose with their decision making. That franchise is going nowhere until Jack Easterby is removed from a position of power. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 12:58 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said: I wonder if that 19 season was because he was due a new contract and not so much him finally understanding McD’s defensive scheme. Kind of funny that him and Philips chased the money and have had no success since leaving Buffalo Chasing the money is important by these level of players. Jordan Phillips in particular deserved to cash in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, JohnNord said: I tend to agree…why else would Miami have moved on from him after one season after making such a big investment? It’s not like they received a ton in return. Also how bad could he have performed in the preseason to be cut from a roster like Houston’s? Not sure if it’s injuries or attitude, but I don’t think NYJ is getting the Shaq Lawson who played well for the Bills in 2020. Miami does tend to move on from guys that they sign to multi-year deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, JohnNord said: I tend to agree…why else would Miami have moved on from him after one season after making such a big investment? It’s not like they received a ton in return. Also how bad could he have performed in the preseason to be cut from a roster like Houston’s? Not sure if it’s injuries or attitude, but I don’t think NYJ is getting the Shaq Lawson who played well for the Bills in 2020. Miami is very interesting because they have done a great job transforming a terrible team into a decent one. That 2019 team was terrible, and they somehow won 3 of their last 5 to be just bad. And then 1 year later they were 10-6. Shaq Lawson was a serviceable player that a team with a boat load of cap space can afford to overpay. But Miami no longer has the same boat load and off he went. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 28 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: Dude they are desperate on the line. You could do a lot worse by doing nothing than giving up a 6th rd pick for a former 1st rd pick. Lawson played just as average in Miami last year as he did in his Bills career here. The Jets did fine here considering their circumstances. I agree with that, but Shaq still does not cover the loss of Carl Lawson. Carl is a pass rusher by nature and Shaq is not. Shaq can eat snaps, but he does not fill the role that the Jets need. It is not a bad move for them - it just is not a move that does anything. I honestly believe if they had waited for cuts - they could of picked up the same level of player for nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The Jets lost the two guys they signed to start at end for the season - Carl Lawson and Vinny Curry. They have a desperate need at the position. Their other guys are all very inexperienced. They have Zuniga and Huff (albeit Huff a bit of a tweener in Saleh's scheme) who are second year players and a former 49ers backup who has about 4 career starts. Agree. Good move for the Jets, because they are desperate. I would not expect Lawson to provide much more value than the sixth round pick they spent for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, JohnNord said: I tend to agree…why else would Miami have moved on from him after one season after making such a big investment? It’s not like they received a ton in return. Also how bad could he have performed in the preseason to be cut from a roster like Houston’s? Not sure if it’s injuries or attitude, but I don’t think NYJ is getting the Shaq Lawson who played well for the Bills in 2020. That was my point earlier. I haven’t been following Shaq in Houston but if he can’t start on that team… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, FLFan said: Agree. Good move for the Jets, because they are desperate. I would not expect Lawson to provide much more value than the sixth round pick they spent for him. Agree. Players like Shaq once paid play to the level of their surroundings. Being on a winning team during a contract year brought out his best. I don't expect the Jets to do much of anything as far as winning and team moral. Therefore I expect the same for Shaq's level of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, FLFan said: Agree. Good move for the Jets, because they are desperate. I would not expect Lawson to provide much more value than the sixth round pick they spent for him. Huh? Our last 6th round pick didn’t even make the roster last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 If Shaq had the desire to be good I think he could be an above average DE. He just doesn’t care though, he’s playing only to collect the paycheck. I never thought we were going to re-sign him despite McBeane saying blah blah blah we’d love to have him back, whatever. That was all smoke, he wasn’t a process guy and they saw him putting in effort only because it was a contract year. He’s serviceable, he will set the edge against the run, but he’s not a player you need to double team or game plan against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 It makes sense. They are desperate and need bodies. Probably a one year prove it deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/27/2021 at 5:23 PM, ndirish1978 said: If they were to cut Roberts, do you think we pick him back up? No I dont think so, we have the rookie speed returner we can develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Not sure if it was mentioned yet, but there was a lot of buzz that Shaq might be released in Houston prior to this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Shaq will love the NY Jets, one bad game and the fans will hunt you down & egg your house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I'm surprised that a team like Houston wanted to get rid of Lawson before he even played a regular season game for them. Wondering if there are personality/locker room issues going on with him since he left Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/27/2021 at 3:53 PM, SydneyBillsFan said: Wait....when did he get traded to Houston and what for? This guy they also have Houston two 6ths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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