Trubisky trade value?

[maddenboy]

5 minutes ago, Weatherman said:

We will get a 3rd Rd pick for him in the 2023 draft (compensatory).  

I, also, hate to read the entire thread before jumping in to post.

 

Unfortunately, since I did read this one, I learned that (1) yes we could if we lose more FAs than we get, and (2) we no longer sign FAs, so as soon as Mitch walks, we should get something from the purposely-mysterious formula that only Bill Belichick is allowed to know.

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

Mitch Trubisky seems to be playing at a mid-range starting QB level.  He is young and has the measurables that led to him being a first round pick? What could the Bills get for him in a trade? Does the level of potential compensation warrant making a trade? 

We'll get a comp pick when he's a free agent next year, and everybody knows comp picks are where its at.

[Figster]

The level of potential warrants negotiating Trubisky into a longer contract so the Buffalo Bills can assist Brian Daboll in achieving success in his first tenure as HC.  Giving the Buffalo Bills more control over the young signal callers future is a win, win, win, for all concerned IMO.

 

After watching Trubisky play this provides the Buffalo Bills a very solid backup plan on the road to a Championship IMO.

 

Nobody wants to see Daboll go, but its going to happen one day...

[Doc]

36 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Do the comp pick rules count for a Veteran in a one year contract?  

Yes.

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Again, it will only be for 1 season.  If he's as good as he looked yesterday, there's no way he's staying,much less at a cheap contract.

No argument Doc, but there is the matter of winning a SB and he makes us better insurance.  I’m not worried about next year as he may get a shot with a team, or not but we up the contract to $6 mil. As a lot of other teams are paying even more fir a backup.

 

Not sure if he gets much time at all with GB, as they are trying to figure out whether it’s Fromm or Webb who gets released or released and resigned to the PS.  I’d only play them. If on the chance Mitch doesn’t play which is great, we had piece of mind on our backup, and deal with the issue in 2022.  It’s not like we’re getting a 1st for him.

[Mat68]

Honestly, I wouldnt do it.  Fromm and Webb are no differant than 90% of the qbs on the field in the 4th quarter in every pre season game.  If Allen is sidelined for 4 weeks Trubisky should win 3 out 4 if not all. I think its a large ask for Fromm or Webb to even win 2.  Buffalo needs to go for homefield and cant afford to drop a winnable game because Webb or Fromm played.

[Figster]

5 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

I agree, Trubisky can continue to play well and a other teams starter goes down I'm sure the bills will get some calls, but we want a superbowl. If Allen gets hurt and had to sit a few weeks Trubisky is good enough to win games and keep things afloat. If we don't have Trubisky and Allen goes down... pack it in.

I like the way you think

 

Trubisky is a good investment for the Buffalo Bills because under Daboll his value will continue to increase IMO

Edited August 22, 2021 by Figster

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Houston shouldn't.  They drafted a QB with their 1st pick (round 3) in the 2021 draft.  Philadelphia spent a 2nd on Hurts last year & signed Flacco as the backup.  

The other 2 teams depend on where they draft next year because neither needs Trubisky this year & won't trade for a guy who has no contract for next season & aren't about to sign him to a long term deal.  A team trading a 2nd is either a Super Bowl contender whose QB went down or a team that is trading for a long term answer.  The Bills certainly aren't going to help another Super Bowl contender.  

I’ll be quietly keeping my eyes on the Saints and the other QB guru, Sean Payton. If Jameis don’t pan out, maybe Payton dips his toe in the Trubisky reclamation project 

[machine gun kelly]

34 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

I stated this yesterday in the first half thread. He will get a sizable offer next year I would imagine .. as he has shown at least in preseason that perhaps it was Nagy and not him that was the problem. That will lead to a compensatory draft pick … which is one of the tools successful teams use to stay solid.

 

in addition in a league where the QB is the most important position by a mile .. if Josh gets hurt for an extended period of time the backup QB goes from pretty irrelevant to the most important player. I would like our chances much more with Mitch than Fromm or Webb. Mitch should not and I imagine is not tradable in McBeanes collective eyes

You make a very good point.  I’m not sure if a team unless desperate is going to give something as high as a 3rd.  It’s short sighted to give him away and it doesn’t matter as Beane won’t do it.

 

it’s also likely he may not get some real chance to start, but he needs a higher paid backup contract.

[bigK14094]

3 hours ago, ALF said:

Hope he can stay here long term, Frank Reich II

Not gonna happen.  He is likelly a mid level starter in the NFL.  He took less money to come to Buffalo and tutor under Daboll.  MT saw the J Allen success and wants to know what that is all about!!  He will get a bigger multi year deal....and, perhaps, go with Dabs to another gig.

[aceman_16]

Just let him play this year and have him sign for a decent contract and count towards our compensation formula.

[ticketssince61]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

Trubisky is clearly the best BU QB options the Bills will have for 2021. Trubisky will likely be gone to be a starter after this season.  If someone offered a second (price for Garapollo paid by the 49ers), would the long term benefit of the second be worth trading? 

 

No - without a good backup, and injury to JA, even if out for just a few weeks, or a positive covid test that keeps him out for a bit, would be catastrophic.

 

We have a super bowl window - would hate to lose a chance at a superbowl for a 2nd round pick.

 

As the Old adage used to say: The 2nd most important player on your team is the backup QB

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

Just let him play this year and have him sign for a decent contract and count towards our compensation formula.

 

Yes, K I S S.

[Figster]

8 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

Not gonna happen.  He is likelly a mid level starter in the NFL.  He took less money to come to Buffalo and tutor under Daboll.  MT saw the J Allen success and wants to know what that is all about!!  He will get a bigger multi year deal....and, perhaps, go with Dabs to another gig.

The key to negotiating a longer deal and recieving better trade value IMO. The success of both Daboll  as HC and Trubisky as starting QB has a much greater chance of happening by keeping them together IMO. Something both Daboll and Mitch Trubisky would in all likelihood agree on. 

 

Trubisky doesn't want to end up in another system under another coaching staff that doesn't work well for him. 

[Chaos]

10 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said:

 

No - without a good backup, and injury to JA, even if out for just a few weeks, or a positive covid test that keeps him out for a bit, would be catastrophic.

 

We have a super bowl window - would hate to lose a chance at a superbowl for a 2nd round pick.

 

As the Old adage used to say: The 2nd most important player on your team is the backup QB

Does the Super Bowl window close this year?  What percentage of winning the Super Bowl Involve the Bills backup QB starting and winning a playoff game? 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Does the Super Bowl window close this year?  What percentage of winning the Super Bowl Involve the Bills backup QB starting and winning a playoff game? 

 

Backup QB is never important until it is.  With any luck Mitch gets turned around and the "next Mitch" may want to go through

the same thing next year.  A rinse and repeat of this situation could be fun.

[Chaos]

Bills will likely get an end of third round comp pick for Trubisky next year:

https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/

 

That seems to make it certain that there would be no point to accept a third for him this year. Personally, I would not have swapped a 2022 first and third round picks to secure Mitch as a backup. Likewise, I would not pass on  2022 first round pick to retain him as backup QB.  

[ticketssince61]

9 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Does the Super Bowl window close this year?  What percentage of winning the Super Bowl Involve the Bills backup QB starting and winning a playoff game? 

 

Without Frank Reich - we don't go to 1 or 2 of our super bowls.

 

As someone else posted, do you really want our season dependent on Fromm or Webb?

[Beerball]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

Mitch Trubisky seems to be playing at a mid-range starting QB level.  He is young and has the measurables that led to him being a first round pick? What could the Bills get for him in a trade? Does the level of potential compensation warrant making a trade? 

You would be comfortable with Fromm or Webb as the #2 QB?

[Chaos]

6 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said:

 

Without Frank Reich - we don't go to 1 or 2 of our super bowls.

 

As someone else posted, do you really want our season dependent on Fromm or Webb?

Don't really want it decided on anyone but Josh.  

[Simon Says]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

A simple eye test demonstrates Nagy was the bigger problem that Trubisky.  So this is a legit topic.  Please feel free to sit it out. 

Why would the Bills trade him? The whole idea is to have an NFL QB ready to step in if Allen gets hurt. A team with Super Bowl aspirations doesn't want to run Webb or Fromm out there,especially for extended period. 

[Alphadawg7]

Why is this a topic?  Not a chance in a year we are expected to challenge for a SB we are entering the season with Webb or Fromm as our backups.  And our offense is too complicated to add another QB after a proposed trade of Mitch.

 

Nothing is ever 0% chance, but this is as close to 0% chance as I can think of.  It makes literally zero football sense.  We already have a stacked roster, its not about adding more pieces later, its about winning this year.  

[billsfan89]

It’s pre season chill...

[Malazan]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

Why is this a topic?  Not a chance in a year we are expected to challenge for a SB we are entering the season with Webb or Fromm as our backups.  And our offense is too complicated to add another QB after a proposed trade of Mitch.

 

Nothing is ever 0% chance, but this is as close to 0% chance as I can think of.  It makes literally zero football sense.  We already have a stacked roster, its not about adding more pieces later, its about winning this year.  

 

Won't we also get a comp pick for him?

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

As I recall, Mitch is on a one year deal.  If that is accurate, no one will trade for him without some type of extension nor will they offer much in trade value.  Right now, there are no QB desperate teams willing to make any ridiculous trades.  Holding out any hope of this happening is a fools errand.

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, jeremy2020 said:

 

Won't we also get a comp pick for him?

 

I am not comp pick expert, but it seems plausible

[boater]

No trade! Jake Fromm and Davis Webb were horrifying yesterday.

[HappyDays]

57 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

He took less money to come to Buffalo and tutor under Daboll.

 

This is not true. Trubisky has openly admitted that he wanted a starting job this year but wasn't offered one. Buffalo was simply the best backup job available. I have never heard that he took less money to come here. And I'm not 100% sure sitting on the bench in Buffalo for a year means that teams will be chomping at the bit to sign him as a potential starter next year. I think this board as a whole is really overrating Trubisky's value in the league.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

Y’all watched Webb and Fromm out there, then still ask this question?

 

This. 

 

With the way Allen plays, I think the Bills will always be in the market for a top notch backup, IMO. 

 

Who else would you trust to go .500 in the event an injury happens besides Trubisky who is entirely capable of running this offense? Fromm & Webb are 3rd string camp bodies at best. Trubisky isn't worth the 4th rounder he most likely would command, anyways. Best keep the roster the way it is and hopefully sign him to a top-level backup deal after the season. 

[djp14150]

Not trading Trubisky unless  a 1st and capable QB iare offered…..  you trade him, What happens if Allen blows his knee?

[Utah John]

Beane wants to win this year, hence Trubisky on a one-year deal, but he's got his sights on a dynasty.  Who's the long-term backup?  Fromm is here on a cheap rookie contract for a few more years.  Can he turn into the solid backup we need?  If we lose Fromm this year, and Trubisky leaves next year, Beane is back to square one for backup QB next year, unless Davis has more than we've seen so far.  

 

This is sort of a first-world problem, isn't it?  For decades we were so much more worried about our starting QB.  I am enjoying the hell out of this.

[stinky finger]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

If some team offers a first for MT, I'll take it even if it means the backup QB position is downgraded. 

 

Bingo.

 

We absolutely should do this should the opportunity present itself. If not, then try to re-sign him longer term if he is willing - which I doubt he's willing.

 

I love the idea of the Kelly/Reich tandem. Doesn't work for me for one year though.

[Long Suffering Fan]

Two things on why we should not trade Trubisky.

 

1.  If he does well and signs a big contract elsewhere, we get a compensatory pick.  That can be as high as the end of the third round.  This is based upon the size of the contract.  Considering the money that QBs get, the compensatory pick should be high.  We will also be up against the cap and won't be signing many players from other teams to offset that.  Of course, if someone comes with a first round pick, I would consider it, but that is not going to happen.

 

2.  Don't go down the road of, "we can't win the SB with Trubisky anyway."  That is not what he is about.  His presence on the team is about home field advantage.  If he has to fill in for Allen for a three game stretch, he could be the difference in home field in the playoffs if he picks up a few wins.

Edited August 22, 2021 by Long Suffering Fan

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

11 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

Not trading Trubisky unless  a 1st and capable QB iare offered…..  you trade him, What happens if Allen blows his knee?

 

If Allen blows out his knee then the season is officially over. Maybe they squeeze into a wildcard loss on the strength of the defense, but that's it. If it's for 3-5 games then obviously it's still salvageable. *Knock on wood*

[stinky finger]

4 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

What's wrong with having a good backup 

 

Agree.....but.....

 

What' the plan after he moves on next year? Lock him up or move him if the right opportunity comes along.

[1ManRaid]

4 hours ago, BuffaloFan68 said:

I could see us getting a 3rd round pick for him once someone like Tua gets hurt halfway through the season, or even to WFT when they get tired of Pick-Patrick.  Question is, would we even make a deal with Miami?

 

Go Bills!!!!!

 

I'd rather keep Mitch for the season and get a third in the end anyway as a compensatory pick.

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Agree.....but.....

 

What' the plan after he moves on next year? Lock him up or move him if the right opportunity comes along.

take the compensatory pick and sign next year's trubisky

[davefan66]

Don’t believe we’d trade him at this point.  If down the road, a team is in dire need of a QB, maybe we would work out a deal then.

 

I would think Trubinsky would be consulted on a trade regardless.  He did pick the Bills and I could see Beane working with him.

 

All that being said.  Need to keep him.  Fromm has showed nothing.  Webb  looked decent last week,  not so much this week.

[buffaloaggie]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is not true. Trubisky has openly admitted that he wanted a starting job this year but wasn't offered one. Buffalo was simply the best backup job available. I have never heard that he took less money to come here. And I'm not 100% sure sitting on the bench in Buffalo for a year means that teams will be chomping at the bit to sign him as a potential starter next year. I think this board as a whole is really overrating Trubisky's value in the league.

Half true. I haven't seen the less money thing either, but Daboll was a factor:  

 

Trubisky: Coach Daboll definitely made it very attractive to come here in the conversations I was having with him, how he plays to his quarterback's strengths, no matter if it's Josh in there or somebody else. He says he's going to call the game to the quarterback's strengths and allow his playmakers to get open and make plays. From being able to observe from afar and see the kinds of things that they were doing in this offense and how they were putting up prolific numbers, they've got great playmakers across the board and have a great offensive line. It was just something that was attractive to me and something I wanted to be a part of. ... It just seemed like a great offense to be a part of and learn from. It's been awesome picking that up schematically since I got here.

[Beerball]

4 hours ago, Chaos said:

Don't really want it decided on anyone but Josh.  

That might be the single oddest statement I've seen in my time here.