Training Camp practice 7/31 - open to fans at Highmark Stadium

[CSBill]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

were those really era's?

 

more like waterboarding moments

[vincec]

17 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Wow that’s amazing news. I had no clue Brieda could play special teams. Holy crap we could actually have 3 active running backs on gameday who ALL play and contribute at running back!!! 

That would mean 3 carries each for the game.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

7 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Simply pointing out that every single QB in the league played in this environment and not many had the success he did cause if you’re still uncertain about Josh Allen as a successful qb in this league I honestly don’t know what to tell you….Tom Brady threw three Ints against the Packers in the second half and the reason they still won was cause the rest of his team helped him out….cause if you think the Buffalo Bills can get a better qb then this guy Id like to see you try  

Oh my goodness. Josh Allen is good. He's our QB and will be our QB. That doesn't mean he's perfect. You don't have to feel threatened. He still has room to improve, and improving in his mental response to fans has been an obvious need area that he has openly talked about. I have no idea why discussing this is such a mortal sin around here.

 

I hope Josh and the Bills have taken steps to improve the psychological aspect. So far, I haven't seen evidence that they have, so his not being able to perform his best in front of a home crowd is a legitimate concern.

[teef]

18 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

It cracks me up when people react negatively to these facts (100% facts) over and over again. Folks just can't handle it.

Again, missing the point.

Or maybe people  think it’s not nearly a problem like you do, and wonder why you love the drama so much?  Stop embarrassing the Italian flag already. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

Or maybe people  think it’s not nearly a problem like you do, and wonder why you love the drama so much?  Stop embarrassing the Italian flag already. 

Look at his road and home splits and tell me it's not a problem. My god. I would love nothing more than for this issue to be put to bed. I just don't understand why you are laughing about it. I guess sports psychology is a hoax to you?

[SectionC3]

11 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I've been around players and felt the same, but then there are a few ive stood next/near and felt like a pebble. Like Edmunds is gigantic 

 

Funny you say that.  I've seen him around and about in OP and I've been under the impression that he's in great shape, but isn't really that large.  

[teef]

18 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look at his road and home splits and tell me it's not a problem. My god. I would love nothing more than for this issue to be put to bed. I just don't understand why you are laughing about it. I guess sports psychology is a hoax to you?

It’s more the intensity of your nervousness that amuses me.  
 

 

[BuffaninSarasota]

4 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

We had that thread last year!

Obviously there are still some who misspell his name this year....

[Big Turk]

20 hours ago, scuba guy said:

FYI only 3900 tickets left for the home opener

 

Surprised there are any left.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Royale with Cheese]

40 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look at his road and home splits and tell me it's not a problem. My god. I would love nothing more than for this issue to be put to bed. I just don't understand why you are laughing about it. I guess sports psychology is a hoax to you?

You have only 2 seasons worth of his home/away stats.  Nothing is significantly different.  He was a little better at home in 2018, a little better on the road in 2019.

 

There is absolutely no context in your thought.  The opponents don’t matter….its just home or away and they aren’t that different.

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

It cracks me up when people react negatively to these facts (100% facts) over and over again. Folks just can't handle it.

Again, missing the point.

These are not facts 😂 

[sherpa]

I've always thought he was a bit too amped up at the start of home games, but he has also had to deal with high wind games at OP and that influences stats as well.

Seems homes games the last two years were more windy than in the past.

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look at his road and home splits and tell me it's not a problem. My god. I would love nothing more than for this issue to be put to bed. I just don't understand why you are laughing about it. I guess sports psychology is a hoax to you?

Sorry, but I don’t see any problems with Josh Allen. He should’ve been the League MVP last year, and I believe he will continue to improve, just like he has every single year.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

38 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

What a throw

[GottaRun]

22 hours ago, scuba guy said:

FYI only 3900 tickets left for the home opener

Just curious, where do you see that?

[Stank_Nasty]

19 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

That would be surprising considering he's on record as inquiring about moving up to #4, but the price was too much.

 

Maybe because it was the same team (Cleveland) picking at #1 as #4 she just interpreted it that way.

Why is it surprising? I doubt she was mistaken. She ultimately said the browns didn’t wanna move so I’m assuming he went about other modes. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

Good chance Kumerow makes the team.  His been with the 1s alot

 

Bobby Hart did the whole practice with the ones

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Simply pointing out that every single QB in the league played in this environment and not many had the success he did cause if you’re still uncertain about Josh Allen as a successful qb in this league I honestly don’t know what to tell you….Tom Brady threw three Ints against the Packers in the second half and the reason they still won was cause the rest of his team helped him out….cause if you think the Buffalo Bills can get a better qb then this guy Id like to see you try  

You obviously didn’t read my original post.  Not surprisedz. People see one thing they don’t like, see red then rant 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

 

I hope Josh and the Bills have taken steps to improve the psychological aspect. So far, I haven't seen evidence that they have, so his not being able to perform his best in front of a home crowd is a legitimate concern.

He has changed his pre-game music to Frank Sinatra rather than something to get him “fired up”.  Problem solved.   

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I hope Josh and the Bills have taken steps to improve the psychological aspect. So far, I haven't seen evidence that they have, so his not being able to perform his best in front of a home crowd is a legitimate concern.

 

IMO the sample size is simply too small to make a definitive argument either way yet. He seemed to be fine in the one game last year in Buffalo that actually had fans and decent weather, the Colts game. 

 

Does he play better on the road vs. home? Perhaps. And in the long run will that hurt the Bills? I don't see why it would with half the games on the road and half at home on average. As long as he isn't wetting the bed at home and playing like a bottom half of the league QB Bills will be fine. Buffalo has some cruel weather and I think that has played at least as big a role as the psychological aspect of the game in Allen having better numbers on the road vs. at home. I tend to think Allen plays best in warmer climates whether that is a dome or just a warmer open air environment. But again, sample size might be too small yet to have a definitive answer.

 

It's something Allen has talked about but I think nearly all QB's would admit to some level of added pressure at home vs the road if they were being honest in their answers. So I don't necessarily think this is unique to just Allen. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Honestly, I’ll just be happy with ONE!

 

But do we have to win it?

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But do we have to win it?

 

I mean, as long as we went all the way there….why not?  🤷‍♀️

[YattaOkasan]

11 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Even if Fromme plays well, there’s just no need for a third QB on this roster this season— too much talent fighting for spots as it is. By the time the season starts, most teams have their backup dialed in to their playbook. Unless he absolutely lights it up in preseason, Fromme will be perfectly safe on the PS. If he gets an offer from another team, they can counter offer if they feel like it. 

Just to clarify if Fromm is on the PS we can’t counter if he gets an offer.  But I agree he or Webb is safe on the PS

[Chandler#81]

No practice today, right?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Just to clarify if Fromm is on the PS we can’t counter if he gets an offer.  But I agree he or Webb is safe on the PS

 

Where did you get this information that we can't counter?  As far as I know, it's incorrect - if another team makes an offer to your practice squad guy, you ARE allowed to match it (but the same restrictions about needing to put the player on the active roster for 3 weeks apply)

 

I think angst about PS'ing Fromm is another Fosteresque Bills Fan-ism.  Other teams passed on him at least 4x.  There's a new crop of promising QB from this year's draft. 

Here's his draft profile for reference:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jake-fromm/32004652-4f32-5139-dbcd-9c79c7f41e56

 

For reference, bear in mind that Davis Webb was a 3rd round pick in 2017.

 

6 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

No practice today, right?

 

Correct

[YattaOkasan]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Where did you get this information?  As far as I know, it's incorrect - if another team makes an offer to your practice squad guy, you ARE allowed to match it (but the same restrictions about needing to put the player on the active roster for 3 weeks apply)

 

 

Correct

I see yeah I guess I’m wrong. But that is super atypical I have to imagine. 

[aceman_16]

On 7/31/2021 at 10:24 AM, CEN-CAL17 said:

If they are just gonna clock the ball. What’s the point of running the FG team on to do it? Just have the offense that’s already on the field do it…..

 

Youre actually wasting time running the FG team on to do something the offense which is already on the field could do

Sometimes you can catch the other team off guard with too many men on the field or they blow a time out.

[Kwai San]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Surprised there are any left.

 

Me too!

[JaCrispy]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Where did you get this information that we can't counter?  As far as I know, it's incorrect - if another team makes an offer to your practice squad guy, you ARE allowed to match it (but the same restrictions about needing to put the player on the active roster for 3 weeks apply)

 

I think angst about PS'ing Fromm is another Fosteresque Bills Fan-ism.  Other teams passed on him at least 4x.  There's a new crop of promising QB from this year's draft. 

Here's his draft profile for reference:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jake-fromm/32004652-4f32-5139-dbcd-9c79c7f41e56

 

For reference, bear in mind that Davis Webb was a 3rd round pick in 2017.

 

 

Correct

I hated the Fromm pick since day 1...knew it was only a matter of time til he was out of the league...Just never seemed like NFL quality...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Some of us older folk (and full disclosure... I'm 40) have already experienced that and are seeking Ws on the biggest stage in sports.

 

Whippersnapper

 

 

5 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I hated the Fromm pick since day 1...knew it was only a matter of time til he was out of the league...Just never seemed like NFL quality...

 

Well, most round 5 picks do have a short league lifetime....at any position.  The Bills picked him because by the end of the 5th round, he was sticking up on their draft board, and they knew they needed an upgrade at backup QB, nothing wrong with taking a shot for that in the 5th IMO.

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I hated the Fromm pick since day 1...knew it was only a matter of time til he was out of the league...Just never seemed like NFL quality...

Who actually has the energy to hate a 5th round pick. Bit dramatic I think. 

[Doc]

How many fans were there?

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

11 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Who actually has the energy to hate a 5th round pick. Bit dramatic I think. 

He hated the current QB too, just recently came around!

[HappyDays]

40 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

No practice today, right?

 

Right. I've been tracking camp dates here:

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/buffalo-bills/buffalo-bills-announce-2021-training-camp-schedule-three-practices-open-to-public

[JaCrispy]

16 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Who actually has the energy to hate a 5th round pick. Bit dramatic I think. 

No energy required...it was just a pick you always knew had absolutely zero chance of ever making the team...basically a throw away, just to say you took a developmental QB prospect...

[BarleyNY]

18 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Maybe she heard the Bills had talked with both the Broncos and Browns about moving up and assumed it was for the #1 overall pick whereas I think it was for the #4 overall pick.

I’m sure the Bills inquired about both.  Bills: We are interested in moving up. What do you want for 1 or 4?

Browns: 1 isn’t for sale.  We want (a lot) for 4. 

Bills:  Okay. Let’s talk about 4……….

[Stank_Nasty]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Whippersnapper

 

Well, most round 5 picks do have a short league lifetime....at any position.  The Bills picked him because by the end of the 5th round, he was sticking up on their draft board, and they knew they needed an upgrade at backup QB, nothing wrong with taking a shot for that in the 5th IMO.

 

 

Right. I’m just picturing somebody on their couch watching day 3 of the draft and then being sent into freaking orbit over a 5th round pick….. it’s the 5th friggin round. Calm down kids. 

[Pokebball]

3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look at his road and home splits and tell me it's not a problem. My god. I would love nothing more than for this issue to be put to bed. I just don't understand why you are laughing about it. I guess sports psychology is a hoax to you?

It's not a problem

[Shaw66]

15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

I think angst about PS'ing Fromm is another Fosteresque Bills Fan-ism.  Other teams passed on him at least 4x.  There's a new crop of promising QB from this year's draft. 
 

This is an issue I always have trouble with, and I think a lot of fans are like me.  We get attached to players and their stories, like Fromm in this case, and we develop angst, as you say, as we look at the possibility that the Bills may lose him.  I think it's part of fans' excessive focus on talent.  The fact is that if the coaches and front office are evaluating talent properly, a guy on the 53-man bubble isn't ever likely to make or break your season.  Sure, there's always the story about some guy who came off the practice squad and really lit it up, but those stories are few and far between, and usually they guy flashes and disappears.   Who was that safety who had two INTs for the Bills in one game late in the season?  Someone will remember his name - I don't.  

 

Yes, the GM and HC are looking for the best talent they can find, but the reality of how teams are built is that they're looking for a core group of talent, and they will plug in good athletes with the right attitude to cover the rest of the lineup spots.  Those good athletes are coming and going all the time, and every once in a while one of them climbs into the core group, like Milano did.  Every once in a while one of those good athletes gets cut or traded and develops into a core player somewhere else, like Teller did.  

 

I've found myself finally not worrying so much about those guys.  The GM is going to do the best he can making those decisions, and Beane has had a pretty good track record.  So, when I see a thread about whether the Bills maybe should keep Kumerow, I might read it to learn something about Kumerow, but I don't feel like what happens to Kumerow is a life-and-death question.  Kumerow has already demonstrated in the NFL that he isn't Stefon Diggs, so he's just another plug-and-player who may have a role in the fall, or he may not. 

 

As for Fromm, I think he's a guy who will grow into a better version of Barkley.   He's a proven winner, he is high character, and as he continues to learn, he'll probably be a big asset in the QB room.  He's a potential coach.  He may already recognize that his isn't starter material, so he may not be anxious to leave.   He's the kind of guy who, in another couple of years, will be able to come in when the starter goes down, execute the offense and, most importantly, play mistake-free football.  He's not going to turn the ball over, he's not going freak out on the field.  So, I could see a role for him longer-term, because a dream-backup like Trubisky simply isn't a realistic possibility as a three- to five-year solution at backup.  

 

But I'm not getting attached to Fromm.   Those guys come and go all the time.   In fact, if the Bills are looking for a long-term backup who's going to be supportive of Allen in the long-term, Fromm has competition for that spot from Webb.  As between Fromm and Webb, the one who has the best working relationship, maybe the closest relationship off the field, with Allen is the guy the Bills will want to hold on to.  

 

3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

No energy required...it was just a pick you always knew had absolutely zero chance of ever making the team...basically a throw away, just to say you took a developmental QB prospect...

Exactly.  It was the same as picking a guy like Brady that deep in the draft. 

[pennstate10]

Watching that clip reminded me of this game show.