EDIT: Total cost to taxpayers? Bills select sports firm to represent ownership in building new open air stadium in OP, targeted for 2025

[Talley56]

They better build a big trophy case for what's to come in the Josh Allen era.

[Big Blitz]

10 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

I respect your opinion on what you'd prefer to have. But what the Bills team is NOW shouldn't play into this decision, at all, IMO. The team won't be the same in 2025-2026. And what about the team in 2030?  Building a stadium with the current team in mind is a fool's errand, IMO.

 

 

I think it's more about where the league is headed  - pass and QB friendly.  

[The Dean]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I think it's more about where the league is headed  - pass and QB friendly.  

 

 

Rules change. The  league ebbs and flows.

[Punching Bag]

18 minutes ago, Doc said:

It should have a roof similar to what the Vikes have.  A retractable roof is a waste of money because they rarely get used.  The elements don't help the Bills anymore as they are a passing team first now.  It would also get more people to the stadium in cold weather and probably attract more players.

 

The Minnesota Vikings stadium seems ideal as long as it can sustain WNY winter which is different than Minnesota's.

 

Minneapolis is colder but gets less snow (54.0 in) on average than Buffalo (89.2 in) which has less than Orchard Park.

in November 2014 seven feet of snow fell in Buffalo Southtowns.

Reported snow totals from both rounds of lake-effect snow was 71 inches in Orchard Park between Nov. 17 and Nov. 21, 2014.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

29 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

The Mets built Citi Field in the Shea parking lot. It can be done. We just had less parking so we used the train more

Yes the subways run all the time to OP

[Big Blitz]

14 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Rules change. The  league ebbs and flows.

 

 

Don't disagree and no it shouldn't be THE reason but it should be considered.

 

Bad weather when the team is bad and you have expensive seats, you won't want to be outside in late December should be a factor.   

 

 

It's not just the snow tho.  Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, all manage.  It's just the freaking wind.  If they can get a design to mitigate that then fine I'd love to see it.  

[klos63]

Don't build it below sea level and find a way to deal with the wind.

[SCBills]

Can they design it in a way to minimize winds? 
 

Honestly, I’d prefer a dome, but if we aren’t going that route.. can we address that?   

 

The snow games are few and far between.  
 

It’s the wind that’s an issue, and i was beyond sick hearing about it for what seemed like every home game this past year. 

[Virgil]

Allen’s numbers in a dome were better than in open air.  Give our QB every advantage he can get 

[beerme1]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

Terrible, decades long missed opportunity to make it a dome and downtown (if that was possible)

real mature, lets keep this message board civil by attacking people who don't agree with you.

 

You really offended by that? Wow. 

 

 

47 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

You do realize the Bills will be playing in OP until the new stadium is open, right? Is Erie County going to simply refuse to take the Bills' money until the stadium is ready? That's just crazy. This is just a negotiating ploy, and something that says "We have options". Everyone needs to unbunch their panties. 

 

100% Message to Poloncarz. Get off the cocaine and covid trip and pay attention Mark.

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I bet it'll have heated toilet seats with tv's in each stall though. 

With heated toilet seats, I’d never leave the women’s restrooms...😉

[The Dean]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Can they design it in a way to minimize winds? 
 

Honestly, I’d prefer a dome, but if we aren’t going that route.. can we address that?   

 

The snow games are few and far between.  
 

It’s the wind that’s an issue, and i was beyond sick hearing about it for what seemed like every home game this past year. 

 

I'd like to think they know that. I certainly hope so. 

 

4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Allen’s numbers in a dome were better than in open air.  Give our QB every advantage he can get 

 

This is what I was talking about. Building a stadium for the strengths of the current team/QB, who may or may not even be with the team when it's opened is preposterous. At best, how many years is Allen going to be with the Bills? Because the stadium will still be here long after he is no longer the QB. 

[Starr Almighty]

39 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Yes the subways run all the time to OP

And people always offer there homes as parking lots in Queens. It was a nice try tho

[galept]

43 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Yes the subways run all the time to OP

Never been late!

Edited June 19, 2021 by galept

[Malazan]

New Stadiums rarely have enough financial impact to justify the costs even if their financial impact is considerable. Even less so, if you look at other programs for economic enrichment. 

 

As someone who lives out of state and doesn't make it up for home games often, I'm all for spending your tax dollars to give the Bills any competitive advantage a new stadium would offer to the team.

Edited June 19, 2021 by jeremy2020

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said:

So where's the rendering?

 

Reports say "partially covered" which implies they have a design concept selected.

Mother Nature is laughing at partially covered. I've been at games with sideways freezing rain. 

 

Or is the covering for the intense sun we have in Orchard Park. 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Utah John]

There is no need for the Bills to play anywhere else while the new stadium is built, unless it's on the same site as Rich/Ralph/whatsis.  Any talk of playing somewhere else would be devastating, effectively giving up homefield advantage.  Doesn't anyone remember the Bills playing in that sterile, silent stadium in Toronto?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Utah John said:

There is no need for the Bills to play anywhere else while the new stadium is built, unless it's on the same site as Rich/Ralph/whatsis.  Any talk of playing somewhere else would be devastating, effectively giving up homefield advantage.  Doesn't anyone remember the Bills playing in that sterile, silent stadium in Toronto?

It's not going to happen. 

[Man with No Name]

no roof is a mistake with the passing game we should have for the next dozen years

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

Can they design it in a way to minimize winds? 
 

Honestly, I’d prefer a dome, but if we aren’t going that route.. can we address that?   

 

The snow games are few and far between.  
 

It’s the wind that’s an issue, and i was beyond sick hearing about it for what seemed like every home game this past year. 

I’m agreeing with you.  God help me.  If you can keep the fans shielded from the rain/snow/sunlight along with the game being less impacted by the wind then an outdoor stadium would work.  
 

They’ll still have a harder time attracting fee agents and wouldn’t generate the yearly revenue a dome would produce.  However, it’s better than what we have now.

3 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

I'd like to think they know that. I certainly hope so. 

 

 

This is what I was talking about. Building a stadium for the strengths of the current team/QB, who may or may not even be with the team when it's opened is preposterous. At best, how many years is Allen going to be with the Bills? Because the stadium will still be here long after he is no longer the QB. 

Unless global warming really picks up the pace the weather will still be here.  

Edited June 19, 2021 by Doc Brown

[MJS]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Playing  games away from Buffalo would make the franchise seem very bush league imo. It’s just not something NFL teams do while building a new stadium. 

Actually they have done that many times in the history of the league.

[QCity]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's not going to happen. 

 

Yeah, that's what many said about an open-air stadium too.

 

1 minute ago, Man with No Name said:

no roof is a mistake with the passing game we should have for the next dozen years

 

One could argue that having a strong-armed QB gives you an advantage in inclement weather. Regardless, you don't build a stadium around 1 player. Seattle's partially enclosed Lumen Field should be the model.

[Just Jack]

2 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Play games at Penn State!?  WTF

 

Rather play in the Carrier Dome. 

 

The (no longer Carrier) Dome is too small and not up to NFL standards.

 

 

1 hour ago, Beast said:

If the new facility is on the same site, or even in one of the parking lots, which I suspect it will be, they will need to find a home for a couple years.

 

 

Build it in the bus lot.  Hardly anyone uses that now that they have the "no tailgating" rule for that lot. 

[Man with No Name]

Just now, QCity said:

 

Yeah, that's what many said about an open-air stadium too.

 

 

One could argue that having a strong-armed QB gives you an advantage in inclement weather. Regardless, you don't build a stadium around 1 player. Seattle's partially enclosed Lumen Field should be the model.

if it's closed enough to kill the wind, great. but no, a strong armed qb has a passing game built around them. a passing game doesn't work in garbage weather. it doesn't work for anybody. you run the risk of giving an advantage to teams built like the ravens, if they have an even slightly competent passing game. 

[BigBuff423]

Presuming it is an open air stadium, that’s not a plan I agree with. Of course, nobody is asking me my opinion but a dome makes so much more sense for a 21st Century NFL team, especially the Bills given the weather and the type of Offense built around Allen. 
 

That said, of course I will ultimately support the team and hope I’m wrong and it works out better in the long-run. But rainy, cold fall games and snow burying the field, make me think I’m not…so we’ll see.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Yes the subways run all the time to OP

Time to add a new junction for the amtrak!  😄

[The Dean]

9 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

if it's closed enough to kill the wind, great. but no, a strong armed qb has a passing game built around them. a passing game doesn't work in garbage weather. it doesn't work for anybody. you run the risk of giving an advantage to teams built like the ravens, if they have an even slightly competent passing game. 

 

 

While I don't think a future stadium should consider the current team's strengths in any way, you bring up an interesting point. I wonder if we can compare, for example, Jim Kelly's passing stats vs the opponents' QBs?

[marky]

awesome. noise noise noise. They should name it "Noise Stadium"

[Mike in Horseheads]

17 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

The (no longer Carrier) Dome is too small and not up to NFL standards.

 

I thought they just upgraded that place?  The 50k the place holds would have more fans than Toronto or PSU

[The Firebaugh Kid]

As long as the seats rattle when we hit em, I'm good. 

[beerme1]

18 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

if it's closed enough to kill the wind, great. but no, a strong armed qb has a passing game built around them. a passing game doesn't work in garbage weather. it doesn't work for anybody. you run the risk of giving an advantage to teams built like the ravens, if they have an even slightly competent passing game. 

 

 

How do you feel he's played at the outdoor stadium so far?

[Mike in Horseheads]

1 minute ago, beerme1 said:

 

 

How do you feel he's played at the outdoor stadium so far?

Hasn't passed for 500 yds yet

[The Dean]

1 minute ago, beerme1 said:

 

 

How do you feel he's played at the outdoor stadium so far?

 

 

He STINKS in Buffalo. Too much cold, snow and wind!!!!

[QCity]

18 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

if it's closed enough to kill the wind, great. but no, a strong armed qb has a passing game built around them. a passing game doesn't work in garbage weather. it doesn't work for anybody. you run the risk of giving an advantage to teams built like the ravens, if they have an even slightly competent passing game. 

 

Yeah Jim Kelly would disagree. There's a few QB's still playing right now that are going to the HoF that play in bad weather. It's not worth arguing this because you don't build $1B+ Stadium around the current strengths of the team. That's the major point here.

[Man with No Name]

the nfl has changed dramatically since 1993. Build a stadium around current strengths? i say yes when you are talking about a franchise qb-- a position that guys play very well to 40+. That could be half the life of the stadium. 

 

And it's about January. Not 500 yard games from Sept to Nov. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

25 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Yeah, that's what many said about an open-air stadium too.

 

Money rules the world. Open air is cheaper but pointless. 

 

It's all politics. 

25 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Yeah, that's what many said about an open-air stadium too.

 

Money rules the world. Open air is cheaper but pointless. 

 

It's all politics. 

[QCity]

14 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

 Build a stadium around current strengths? i say yes when you are talking about a franchise qb-- a position that guys play very well to 40+. That could be half the life of the stadium. 

 

 

 

Under this scenario Josh would be 29 yrs old when the stadium opens. I think it's a bit presumptuous to pencil him (or any player) in for playing into his 40s. A more realistic scenario is that he plays 5-7 years in the new stadium, or 10-15% of its' life. Of course, that's assuming he stays healthy and plays at a high level. I know most Bills fans don't want to think of this, but It is possible that by the time the stadium opens a passing attack is not our strength. This is why investing a billion dollars in a project that is 4 years out based on your current team strengths is folly.

 

And as many have stated above, Allen didn't see to have any issues last year. 

[DrDawkinstein]

This sounds more to me like a tactic for negotiating with the city on the new downtown stadium. At least I hope it is.

 

Let the city know you are fine with staying in OP. And whip up some angry fans with the idea the team might have to play away from the city for a year (or TWO), because "well, we couldnt get a deal done downtown, so we have to move while we re-do the stadium in OP".

 

If they really are serious about an OP stadium, its a big mistake imo.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Should have a retractable roof.  It’s really moronic not to have the option.  

Agreed.
 

Didn’t they learn from the playoffs last year? We can’t have a passing offense and play in 30 MPH gusts in December and January. 

[beerme1]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

Presuming it is an open air stadium, that’s not a plan I agree with. Of course, nobody is asking me my opinion but a dome makes so much more sense for a 21st Century NFL team, especially the Bills given the weather and the type of Offense built around Allen. 
 

That said, of course I will ultimately support the team and hope I’m wrong and it works out better in the long-run. But rainy, cold fall games and snow burying the field, make me think I’m not…so we’ll see.

 

I understand this sentiment. But we have been, are and will be Buffalo. Onward, no matter what we get.