whatdrought Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 me casually waking into a thread: Scott’s Bills hate and negative nancery: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) I'm pretty sure I've legitimately never heard of this guy before today. So obviously I'm not excited, but I'm not going to dump on it either. From what I've read so far, he's apparently more of an H-back type than an in-line TE, which doesn't sound great. But apparently he's a good blocker? Those 2 don't really reconcile for me, because I usually think of TE blocking as most important when lined up next to the OT. But what do I know? I'm interested to see the $$$ on this one, especially since it's not a guy I'm familiar with. If it's very low (?), I wouldn't necessarily count out a move for Ertz still. Marcel L-J tweeted that the Bills were interested in Ertz, but not for a 3rd round pick. Leaking that to him could easily be a way to negotiate through the media. I do think this signing makes an Ertz trade (or signing if he gets cut) less likely, but I'm not ready to fully shut the door on it. 8 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Do you think many would assume you saying you’d give up the 30th pick in the draft for a top 2 TE in the league is a joke?... I'm not kidding, I would pay a thousand dollars for a new BMW. Sure it might cost a lot to maintain, but I think it's worth it. Edited March 19, 2021 by Cash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Do you think many would assume you saying you’d give up the 30th pick in the draft for a top 2 TE in the league is a joke?... I'm basically just trying to say how serious I would be to do that if I were Beane lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I'm not kidding, I would have given up our 1st round pick this year to San Francisco for Kittle. He only has a $5 million cap hit this year. It goes up a lot next year but that could always be restructured. Why would they trade him? 30 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Their GM really struggles showing high levels of competency. Edited March 19, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Logic said: Thanks for the reply. One point I think you’re overlooking is that they DID sign two free agents at key positions: right tackle and WLB. Had they let those players walk and instead signed an edge player or dynamic offensive player, then sure, they would improve in those areas, but they would then also need a starting tackle and a starting linebacker. Keeping Josh Allen upright and supplying him with weapons is priority one. You and I agree we’d like to see speed added, but no one can say with a straight face that they haven’t given Josh protection and weaponry. If they “only” bring back last year’s offense and add Sanders, well: last year’s offense scored the most points in team history! They scored more PPG than the vaunted Chiefs! So “just” returning that offense? Not so bad. If your position is that you wish they had let Milano and Williams walk and used the money elsewhere, that’s understandable. But in that case, you must at least acknowledge the possibility that losses in talent at right tackle and WLB might not have been easy to replace, and thus might have cancelled out any gains made elsewhere. Logical!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Why would they trade him? Not saying they would but it doesn't hurt to call Edited March 19, 2021 by Buffalo03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, stosh64 said: Jacob "two guns" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr. K said: It must be hard for you to get up in the morning. Or maybe just hard for those around you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, njbuff said: When your WR group is very strong, you don't necessarily need a prime time TE. Knox can continue to develop into a solid starter, which is all the Bills need. A good blocking No. 2 TE that can catch a few passes is also a need and the Bills think they have that now in Hollister. I won't argue if you guys still want a dynamic player like Ertz, but the Bills WR position is so good, they really don't need Ertz. I understand our O philosophy and the talent we have, just pointing out we do not have a quality number 1 TE and we could really use one that can split the seams. I am glad we did not overpay for Ertz as he is on the wrong aide of 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, stosh64 said: That musta been like Allen's first year in Wyo or something. He looks tiny next to Ol' "Suns Out, Guns Out" there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: This is where I'm at.... not a very aggressive approach thus far for a team that looked significantly behind the AFC Champs. Here's my ideal draft scenario to close the gap with the Chiefs: Round 1 - Draft one of the raw DEs (Rousseau, Paye, Ossai) to at least give us a pure pass rusher on obvious passing downs. Especially if we can sign Clowney for a year. Round 2 - Draft an explosive playmaker like Rondale Moore or Elijah Moore or Kenneth Gainwell. That would give us the two ingredients we were missing against the Chiefs last year. Those additions combined with Sanders being an upgrade over Brown, and ideally at least a couple current Bills players will take a step, we will have closed the gap. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 It’s on now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I'm already in rationalizing mode - but A) We have more weapons on offense than just about anyone in the league, B) Ertz was hurt and didn't look great last year, and C) Defense, defense, defense. On that last point, the offense is really set, except for the RB draft pick. The Bucs showed yet again that you need a good to great D to win a Super Bowl, and I'd be fine if every remaining move & draft pick (except for said RB) was for the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: I understand our O philosophy and the talent we have, just pointing out we do not have a quality number 1 TE and we could really use one that can split the seams. I am glad we did not overpay for Ertz as he is on the wrong aide of 30. Knox can develop into that guy. I am not saying he will, but he has the talent to do it. Sometimes you patience with young players and I think Allen and the coaching staff are behind Knox 100%. And Knox did play well the second half of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Lol to insult you?? Don’t flatter yourself Buddy. And yes I do know what I’m talking about since I’ve been watching football for a long time and if Beane really wanted ertz he’d already be on the team. And you want him because you think it’ll solve our TE problem and you think he’d be one of the pieces to help us get in the SB next year in which that’s quite a bit to bank on especially when we still need a true number 1 pass rusher to help the defense and a RB to take the pressure off of Allen’s shoulders more than a 30 year old TE coming off a career low and an injury too boot. But yes I don’t know what I’m talking about 🤣😂 You did insult me. That’s not flattering myself. It’s ok, I’m not offended, I was just wondering if there were any reasons you were glad I’m not the GM, other than me wanting to trade a 5th rd pick for Zach Ertz? Or is that the only reason? I wanted zach ertz because he’s a better blocker than Dawson knox and a reliable route runner run with good hands. He’s been a great red zone threat throughout his career. I feel that he and knox would compliment each other in 2TE sets because he’s a decent blocker. I’m not a believer in looking at game stats to determine whether or not a player is good or not, especially pass catchers that rely heavily on QBs and schemes. Of ertz’s first 32 targets last season, 11 of them were graded as not catchable. He had a high ankle sprain. A 6-8 week injury that is brutal for route runners. Athletes that have them, usually look like they lost a step. That said, I’m sure he has lost a step. I’m Not claiming that he’s a top 4 TE like he was considered before last season. I’m claiming that he could have helped our team win based on his skill set and experience. If he could have been had for a 5th rd pick, I believe he would have been a nice addition to a TE room that was among the worst in the league. Not good for a pass heavy team that got dimed to death in our season ending game. He’s better than Hollister. Bolded: punctuation exists for a reason. anyhooo. 😃 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, njbuff said: Knox can develop into that guy. I am not saying he will, but he has the talent to do it. Sometimes you patience with young players and I think Allen and the coaching staff are behind Knox 100%. And Knox did play well the second half of the season. Knox drives me crazy, but I truly think he’s going to take a big step next year. Hes still so raw and has all the physical skills to succeed. Just needs more reps I think. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 He had the same amount of TD's as Kroft did last year. I'm happy with the signing. Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 This is going to be everyone’s new favorite player after a few games. He is a do-it-all player that allows the offense to be even more multiple. He’s a poor man’s Kyle Juszcyk. I am happy about this, QB1 I’m sure is happy. It should also light a little fire under Knox because they will be competing for reps. I for one really like it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 And on this same day, Jay Novacek releases his first batch of whiskey. A sign? https://7220sports.com/jay-novacek-whiskey-anyone/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: Blocking no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 hours ago, KGun12TD said: I guess Beane called the Eagles bluff? 💯.... the Eagles probably want a 3rd rounder and we want to give them a 6th. We don’t have a 4th and we aren’t going lower than a 5th so they can pound sand! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rk_Bills86 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I still want 1 more TE from FA - holding my breath on Dan Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Don't we also have another former weapon of Josh Allen's on the team from Wyoming? Tanner Gentry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Welcome to Bills free agency 2021 - Punter - WR4 - Back up QB - Blocking TE You forgot to mention resigned the Starting cover LB, starting RT, and starting G/Backup C to a multi concussed starting center ... so sorry to ruin your whiny rant... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Locomark said: You forgot to mention resigned the Starting cover LB, starting RT, and starting G/Backup C to a multi concussed starting center ... so sorry to ruin your whiny rant... and your comprehension is lacking ... Im talking about the free agency period which commenced on Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: This is going to be everyone’s new favorite player after a few games. He is a do-it-all player that allows the offense to be even more multiple. He’s a poor man’s Kyle Juszcyk. I am happy about this, QB1 I’m sure is happy. It should also light a little fire under Knox because they will be competing for reps. I for one really like it. Huh? The dude is nothing like Juszcyk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srw1525 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Not what I was hoping but it’s a very underrated signing! I dig it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: This is going to be everyone’s new favorite player after a few games. He is a do-it-all player that allows the offense to be even more multiple. He’s a poor man’s Kyle Juszcyk. I am happy about this, QB1 I’m sure is happy. It should also light a little fire under Knox because they will be competing for reps. I for one really like it. I don't think he's Juszcyk? Juszcyk takes handoffs sometimes. Maybe I don't understand what you mean, which makes me sad because I'd like you to be right about the first two sentences. I, too, am hopeful it will light a bit fire under Knox because I think perhaps he built a bit of a bond with Allen and may have relied on it a bit in lieu of "Do Work" - but Hollister has some good history with Allen as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: How they heck do you get Jacob Hollister confused with Sammy Watkins? Especially when one of them is likely a normal guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I guess Hollister is also a good blocker. Need one TE that is like a second OT and can blow people up (like Lee Smith did). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) Our new TE Edited March 19, 2021 by Solomon Grundy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 A few months ago I said I would like to see a stud TE added to the team this off-season as Job #1. This isn't what I had in mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I went back to read this thread. Its true, IT DID REALLY HAPPEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Logic said: 6’4”, 245 LBs. 27 years old. Played with Allen at Wyoming. As long as this isn’t the only move at tight end, I support it. He looks like a younger, cheaper Kroft replacement. Knox, Hollister, Sweeney isn’t enough. I hope they still try to acquire Ertz or draft a guy. nah, i think Beane is done at TE. They drafted and like Knox and are going with him this year. no expensive shiny toys at TE this year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Huh? The dude is nothing like Juszcyk. 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think he's Juszcyk? Juszcyk takes handoffs sometimes. Maybe I don't understand what you mean, which makes me sad because I'd like you to be right about the first two sentences. I, too, am hopeful it will light a bit fire under Knox because I think perhaps he built a bit of a bond with Allen and may have relied on it a bit in lieu of "Do Work" - but Hollister has some good history with Allen as well. He’s a little taller. He’s essentially a guy who can play fullback, tight end, split out wide, be and h-back off line guy. So he can do it all and be used in the same vein as Kyle is in SF. That’s what he brings to the table imo. Kyle is a little more full back than tight end, Hollister is more tight end. He does have one carry in NE. (Juszcyk only has like 40 carries in his career) But yeah, not same player, similar in terms of the way that he can be used to make the offense multiple. He can be used in the DiMarco five wide set and actually be a useful receiver. Also, he’s going to be a fan favorite because he is always going to be open and will be willing to do anything. Edited March 19, 2021 by MrEpsYtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 He and Josh are Buds..good signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: nah, i think Beane is done at TE. They drafted and like Knox and are going with him this year. no expensive shiny toys at TE this year Even if Knox is the starter, they need to replace both Kroft and Smith. I think they will draft a TE too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HappyDays Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Very cheap. I don't think this takes us out of the running for Ertz if he becomes available for a reasonable draft pick. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Even if Knox is the starter, they need to replace both Kroft and Smith. I think they will draft a TE too. That may depend upon how much they like Sweeney, and whether they think Nate Becker has shown anything? Isn't Becker supposed to be the blocking TE? Unless someone they feel is a true potential upgrade to Knox falls to them in the draft, then who knows!!!! 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Very cheap. I don't think this takes us out of the running for Ertz if he becomes available for a reasonable draft pick. HO! I recognize those numbers! Cheaper than you know, in terms of cap hit. That there, my friends, is a 1 year contract that is only gonna cost the Bills a cap hit of $850,000. Vet Salary Benefit contract. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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