Big Turk Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) Barrett was a one man wrecking crew last night, was constantly in Mahomes face and was chasing him all over the field. No idea how Brady wins MVP when he throws for barely 200 yards and it clearly was the D that won them the game. And if not Barrett then it should have gone to Devin White because he was making plays all over the place as well...but mostly because Mahomes was under intense pressure and had to get rid of the ball so quick. Edited February 8, 2021 by Big Turk 4 1 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Barrett was a one man wrecking crew last night, was constantly in Mahomes face and was chasing him all over the field. No idea how Brady wins MVP when he throws flor barely 200 yards and it clearly was the D that won them the game. And if not Barrett then it should have gone to Devin White because he was making plays all over the place as well...but mostly because Mahomes was under intense pressure and had to get rid of the ball so quick. I just mentioned this very thing in another post 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 He didn't deserve his first SB MVP either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Barrett was a one man wrecking crew last night, was constantly in Mahomes face and was chasing him all over the field. No idea how Brady wins MVP when he throws flor barely 200 yards and it clearly was the D that won them the game. And if not Barrett then it should have gone to Devin White because he was making plays all over the place as well...but mostly because Mahomes was under intense pressure and had to get rid of the ball so quick. On a related note, Barrett is sort of an amazing and interesting story. He was an UDFA out of Colorado state for Denver. Played as a backup and PS player. Just spent his time grinding and learning everything he could from Von Miller and Demarcus Ware. Denver liked him but let him walk because they had Chubb and Miller. Then he is ready to sign a somewhat long-term deal with Cincy, and Cincy pulls the plug on it. he scrambles to sign a 1-year deal with Tampa in 2019, and get 19.5 sacks!! He is going to be signing a monster deal this off-season, and deservedly so. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) The defense was the better side last night, but no individual player had as much of an impact or put up the numbers that Brady did. I don't know how anyone could really single out Shaq or White. They were good, no doubt, but were they really any better than Vita Vea, Winfield, Lavonte David, etc? I don't know. They couldn't just give the SB MVP to the entire team, but that's really what was deserved. Brady was nearly flawless last night and finished with good numbers despite taking their foot off the gas the last quarter of the game. In a game where nobody really had standout numbers, that was enough. Edited February 8, 2021 by DCOrange 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 He had good pass rush all night, agreed. But 1 tackle and 1 sack does not Super Bowl MVP make. The guy who has the ball in his hands the majority of the game, throws three TDS, and doesnt turn it over wins the MVP. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Doc said: He didn't deserve his first SB MVP either. I concur with the Doctors prognosis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I actually thought Gronk might get the MVP. He had 6 rec for 67yds and 2 TD's leading Tampa in all of those categories. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He had good pass rush all night, agreed. But 1 tackle and 1 sack does not Super Bowl MVP make. The guy who has the ball in his hands the majority of the game, throws three TDS, and doesnt turn it over wins the MVP. He did turn it over. Take a look at the “defensive holding” at 7:55 of the 2nd qtr. gift from the refs. that is NOT defensive holding 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) Brady didn’t deserve the MVP. That was a totally pedestrian performance by a QB. I just don’t think the voters knew how to give it to an entire defensive unit...which was actually the correct account. The Bucs D one that game from beginning to end. No doubt about it. Edited February 8, 2021 by SoCal Deek 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I think it should've been Lavonte David myself. He shut down the middle passing lanes all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: He did turn it over. Take a look at the “defensive holding” at 7:55 of the 2nd qtr. gift from the refs. that is NOT defensive holding Even if it was, the ball was already tipped, making the holding moot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: He did turn it over. Take a look at the “defensive holding” at 7:55 of the 2nd qtr. gift from the refs. that is NOT defensive holding Ok, then call it illegal contact. It's a penalty. He is mugging him the same way they did against the Bills and were getting away with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Ok, then call it illegal contact. It's a penalty. He is mugging him the same way they did against the Bills and were getting away with it. That contact occurs on almost every route. I watched the Bills chiefs game twice in all-22. The chiefs were doing this to our WRs all game (and to opponents all season). Why is it a penalty now? The inconsistency is the problem. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: That contact occurs on almost every route. I watched the Bills chiefs game twice in all-22. The chiefs were doing this to our WRs all game (and to opponents all season). Why is it a penalty now? The inconsistency is the problem. It was a penalty that game too....they just chose not to call them in any playoff game except this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, NewEra said: He did turn it over. Take a look at the “defensive holding” at 7:55 of the 2nd qtr. gift from the refs. that is NOT defensive holding 18 minutes ago, NewEra said: He did turn it over. Take a look at the “defensive holding” at 7:55 of the 2nd qtr. gift from the refs. that is NOT defensive holding You can disagree with the call all you want, it goes down as holding because the guy who gets paid to make that decision made it. He has no turnovers on the official stat sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Still don't know how james white didn't win it vs the falcons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 The defense was the better unit last night. They totally dominated. But I don't know how you single out one player from that unit for MVP. That is why Brady won it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Giving it to the QB is just the easy thing to do, and it's Tom Brady so what do you expect? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Brady didn’t deserve the MVP. That was a totally pedestrian performance by a QB. I just don’t think the voters knew how to give it to an entire defensive unit...which was actually the correct account. The Bucs D one that game from beginning to end. No doubt about it. Problem is a person gets the award, not a position. Agree was pedestrian effort, but no one player stood out on the defense heads and shoulders above. Can make the same argument about 1 sack and 1 tackle, the rest was just what he's paid for and with the help of others around him. It's very hard for anyone other than QB, WR, or RB to win award as all others are too connected to those around them. What's there been about 2 defensive players all time have won the SB MVP?? Maybe if a CB has 2+ int's he could win it, assuming no one on the offensive side stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: You can disagree with the call all you want, it goes down as holding because the guy who gets paid to make that decision made it. He has no turnovers on the official stat sheet. Yup....he has no turnovers because someone made a big mistake....not because he didn’t throw any interceptions 12 minutes ago, Big Turk said: It was a penalty that game too....they just chose not to call them in any playoff game except this one. and they chose not to call it on 20 other routes during the game. The contact that occurs on that route occurs often and is rarely called 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Problem is a person gets the award, not a position. Agree was pedestrian effort, but no one player stood out on the defense heads and shoulders above. Can make the same argument about 1 sack and 1 tackle, the rest was just what he's paid for and with the help of others around him. It's very hard for anyone other than QB, WR, or RB to win award as all others are too connected to those around them. What's there been about 2 defensive players all time have won the SB MVP?? Maybe if a CB has 2+ int's he could win it, assuming no one on the offensive side stand out. Totally agree. But I guess yesterday shows how flawed the award actually is then. Why not just give it to the Bucs defense? In the end, that Unit clearly won the game. And...if you can’t give it to a Unit, then pick SOMEONE out to represent that Unit. Yesterday’s game was not a standout performance by Tom Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P Riv Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Brady won it because he handled Spagnola's blitzes, distributed the ball to open receivers, kept the sticks moving and was VERY accurate. The offense was efficient because of him. Call it pedestrian numbers, but consider how pretty much every other QB has looked against the Chiefs D all season. Brady was Brady, and he won't be in our Div next season. 👍 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, P Riv said: Brady won it because he handled Spagnola's blitzes, distributed the ball to open receivers, kept the sticks moving and was VERY accurate. The offense was efficient because of him. Call it pedestrian numbers, but consider how pretty much every other QB has looked against the Chiefs D all season. Brady was Brady, and he won't be in our Div next season. 👍 Threw it to backs and TE's to move the chains and were able to be in 2nd and medium to short most of the night due to their ability to pick up 4-8 yards routinely with runs on first down. Not saying the Bills need to run the ball on first down a ton more since first down is the best passing down, but they need to be able to do it effectively situationally in games a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Barrett was a one man wrecking crew last night, was constantly in Mahomes face and was chasing him all over the field. No idea how Brady wins MVP when he throws for barely 200 yards and it clearly was the D that won them the game. And if not Barrett then it should have gone to Devin White because he was making plays all over the place as well...but mostly because Mahomes was under intense pressure and had to get rid of the ball so quick. All well and good - but brady was in complete control. The end of half TD followed by the drive after KC scored to bring it 21-9 were just complete game changers. Forced KC to be one dimensional, and I felt like if they needed to score more they would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Threw it to backs and TE's to move the chains and were able to be in 2nd and medium to short most of the night due to their ability to pick up 4-8 yards routinely with runs on first down. Not saying the Bills need to run the ball on first down a ton more since first down is the best passing down, but they need to be able to do it effectively situationally in games a lot better. You do against KC so you don't get the hell blitzed out of you on 3rd and long. It helps having a TE like gronk that you can run in 11. If they wanna play their 6 DBs that means you have a DB matched up with him 1x1. They also did that same play we did where you leak the TE out and have the iso Wr block - and it works so much better when gronk just trucks the DB there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 46 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Totally agree. But I guess yesterday shows how flawed the award actually is then. Why not just give it to the Bucs defense? In the end, that Unit clearly won the game. And...if you can’t give it to a Unit, then pick SOMEONE out to represent that Unit. Yesterday’s game was not a standout performance by Tom Brady. Yeah but if given to entire defense, then it would be like the kids fighting over the keys for the truck! I did hear yesterday that the last couple of MVP's Brady's won, he gave the truck away to one of his teammates. They were even speculating that he'd be giving it to White. But then the other person commented that Brady's kid is now old enough to drive, so maybe he'll keep this one for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, H2o said: I actually thought Gronk might get the MVP. He had 6 rec for 67yds and 2 TD's leading Tampa in all of those categories. I thought he might as well. He had a great game, but as TB took over the game, he became less of a factor/production puttered out. I thought Fournette had a bunch of great runs and was effective in the receiving game, if they kept riding him and he gotten a second TD he could very well have been deserving of it. All in all giving it to Brady was fine. You can't get the MVP to an entire unit or side of the ball. 3 TD's, 72%, no turn overs, and just 1 sack, is MVP production, especially when nobody else a super disruptive stat line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I thought Fournette and Gronk were viable options for the award, although I think we all knew that Brady would win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: On a related note, Barrett is sort of an amazing and interesting story. He was an UDFA out of Colorado state for Denver. Played as a backup and PS player. Just spent his time grinding and learning everything he could from Von Miller and Demarcus Ware. Denver liked him but let him walk because they had Chubb and Miller. Then he is ready to sign a somewhat long-term deal with Cincy, and Cincy pulls the plug on it. he scrambles to sign a 1-year deal with Tampa in 2019, and get 19.5 sacks!! He is going to be signing a monster deal this off-season, and deservedly so. I don't think he got a D1 offer out of HS. He played for a small college in Nebraska, I think, that ended up cutting their football program. CSU picked him up. Edit - I have also just learned that he went to Boys Town in Nebraska earlier. Quite the story. Edited February 8, 2021 by Pokebball added to response 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbite Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: Barrett was a one man wrecking crew last night, was constantly in Mahomes face and was chasing him all over the field. No idea how Brady wins MVP when he throws for barely 200 yards and it clearly was the D that won them the game. I said the same thing during the game and my buddy looked at me like I was crazy. Barrett was disrupting on every play and one of the main reasons mahomes had no time. Did he light up the stat sheet? No but mahones looked human for a change because of him. Not opposed to giving Brady the MVP though (he was in complete control and the most important piece to that offense), just thought Barrett deserves a lot of recognition. 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: Barrett was a one man wrecking crew last night, was constantly in Mahomes face and was chasing him all over the field. No idea how Brady wins MVP when he throws for barely 200 yards and it clearly was the D that won them the game. I said the same thing during the game and my buddy looked at me like I was crazy. Barrett was disrupting on every play and one of the main reasons mahomes had no time. Did he light up the stat sheet? No but mahones looked human for a change because of him. Not opposed to giving Brady the MVP though (he was in complete control and the most important piece to that offense), just thought Barrett deserves a lot of recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I think it should have been Fournette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, MJS said: I think it should have been Fournette. Some interesting trivia about Fournette's comeback. A degree of separation from Josh. He spent a summer at the Univ of Wyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: It was a penalty that game too....they just chose not to call them in any playoff game except this one. The Jordan Rules also applies to Brady. It has for 20 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Threw it to backs and TE's to move the chains and were able to be in 2nd and medium to short most of the night due to their ability to pick up 4-8 yards routinely with runs on first down. Not saying the Bills need to run the ball on first down a ton more since first down is the best passing down, but they need to be able to do it effectively situationally in games a lot better. This is, IMO, the big gap in the Bills game. Cover1, Brett Kollman, and others have pointed out in film breakdowns that teams give our backs and TE a ***** TON of space because they bet on Josh Allen not taking that option but forcing the ball downfield. I don't know what the problem is - does Josh not trust his guys to catch those? Does he not trust himself to throw those accurately under pressure? Is it between his ears where he's so focused on taking the big shot that he simply doesn't see the open guy underneath? Is it coaching, that early in the game he's being coached to take his shots? But IMHO this is one of the biggest gaps in the Bills game and just as we stand, there are games where we could have won or at worst been more competitive or made the score more comfortable if we just did this judiciously. Whatever the problem is, Allen and the Bills need to disassemble it and have it removed in a plain van this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Yes I thought it would be Barrett or JPP! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Todd Bowles was the MVP. I know they were missing a bunch of o linemen but I never thought I would see KC ever get destroyed like that. One of the best defensive game plans I have ever seen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Peyton Gump (Big Game Chump) should never ever have won MVP in the Colts-Bears SB either. These things happen, go with the better story whether true or not. Best to just count the rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: On a related note, Barrett is sort of an amazing and interesting story. He was an UDFA out of Colorado state for Denver. Played as a backup and PS player. Just spent his time grinding and learning everything he could from Von Miller and Demarcus Ware. Denver liked him but let him walk because they had Chubb and Miller. Then he is ready to sign a somewhat long-term deal with Cincy, and Cincy pulls the plug on it. he scrambles to sign a 1-year deal with Tampa in 2019, and get 19.5 sacks!! He is going to be signing a monster deal this off-season, and deservedly so. Barrett is a FA? That's good. More edge rushers at FA mean more likely that we can land an impact one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 How about Jason Pierre-Paul? How about Devon White? He had a monster game. Shows us what we are missing with Edmunds. That Tampa roster is a hell of a lot better than just Tom Brady. They have a GOOD team with DEPTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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