Theory on why Allen struggles against KC

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Would KC's defense have to lighten up on the aggressiveness if the Bills could show we could run the ball?

 

Yup

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Would KC's defense have to lighten up on the aggressiveness if the Bills could show we could run the ball?

 

 

Absolutely and it is why I think they really tried to compared to their normal run / pass balance. It doesn't solve everything of course but it makes a pass rush hesitate if you can run into the gaps they are leaving. The problem is the Bills identity is as a passing offense. That is why they are 13-3. Not sure you can play that way against everyone else then just flip a switch when it is the Chiefs. Not easy. They need speed at running back though. They should look for a guy who is maybe overlooked because of size but who can run and accelerates fast. 

[Mr. WEO]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is this. The match up for the Bills just isn't a great one. KC defends the sort of O the Bills want to run pretty well and it attacks the sort of D the Bills want to run very well. It's a match up league. 

 

The one area where I find fewer excuses for the Bills is their protection schemes. We have protected Josh well this year even against teams who blitz a lot but we have had two awful protection games..... both against the Chiefs. They have to get that figured out. They need to work out what Spags is doing that nobody else has been able to do. That would help our receivers. Because I don't care who you are.... there is no corner in the NFL who can cover Stefon Diggs if Josh gets 3 seconds in the pocket to throw. 

 

They will need another DC to figure that out.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

How much of his progression can he go through as he is running backward away from pass rush?  

 

And can we stop with the "why did we put the WR on the field, what about Stills?", etc?  Davis was legit injured.  Beasley was still pretty mobile.  Brown wasn't injured, just not able to get separation anymore.   Stills is a bum--if he was of value they would have activated him and sat Davis.

 

I think Brown is still hurt. I said before that Arizona game which was his last before IR that I thought he needed surgery. I still think he needs surgery. He has been out there not healthy IMO. 

[CincyBillsFan]

It's natural to want to find an explanation for why we lost.  But the sample size versus KC is to small to try to ID an underlining reason.  IMO it comes down to:

 

*  The Chiefs are a better team.  They are defending SB champs with the best record in football.  You tend to lose to that type of team.

 

*  In the first game Allen was dealing with a shoulder injury and in the last game 3 of the 4 Bills WR's were dealing with injury's.  When you're as one dimensional on offense as the Bills are - they depend almost exclusively on the QB to WR pass - you're in trouble when those players aren't 100%.

 

*  The way to counter what KC was doing on defense meant using players that just aren't very good.  The Bill's RB's are at the bottom of the league as pass receivers.  The Bills TE's don't exactly terrify defenses with their pass catching and YAC potential.  The drop by Singleterry on the Bills 2nd possession was huge because not only would it have been a big gain but it would have forced the Chiefs to adjust what they were doing on D. 

 

And to those saying Allen wasn't taking the check downs look at the stats.  Beasley, Knox & Yelden caught 17 passes between them all of the short variety.  And all but one of Diggs receptions was a short pass.  This year the Bills didn't have the offensive personnel to exploit the check down pass.  Only Beasley seemed to be able to make a defender miss after one of these catches.  How many times did Moss or Singleterry juke a guy out after catching a dump off pass? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Absolutely and it is why I think they really tried to compared to their normal run / pass balance. It doesn't solve everything of course but it makes a pass rush hesitate if you can run into the gaps they are leaving. The problem is the Bills identity is as a passing offense. That is why they are 13-3. Not sure you can play that way against everyone else then just flip a switch when it is the Chiefs. Not easy. They need speed at running back though. They should look for a guy who is maybe overlooked because of size but who can run and accelerates fast. 

 

We might identify as a passing offense but I think Daboll/McDermott wanted to be able to run too.  Its why we were going after Bell.

 

I think Singletary is gone and I think we will sign a north/south back with speed....Tevin Coleman?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, KzooMike said:

KC, along with a great pass rush, which compounds everything, plays the perfect defense to confuse Josh. Don't let him eliminate routes and make him go through the whole progression. If you watch the first half, Josh looked confused. We haven't seen him look like that in some time. He looked like he didn't know where the ball was supposed to go and threw what was likely his easiest INT ball all year. KC just dropped it.

 

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Maybe some of their linebackers were moving around. But 80% of the game, their secondary was lined up in cover one press, ran a bunch of robber, or feigned robber and played cover two man press

 

They weren't that confusing pre-snap. 

They pressed and manned up on our receivers the whole game, while dialing in the blitz

 

I think, rather than theorizing, it helps to start with what information has been provided.  And I distrust theories based on "Josh looked thisaway".   Like we can perceive his mental state through the facemask and chinstrap?  When you say he's "confused" I think what you're looking at is hesitance to throw.

 

Clearly our WR were struggling against press man, which involved a bunch of uncalled grabbing-and-holding.  The Ravens did that a fair bit, but KC raised it to a whole new level.  I think what Josh looked, is hesitant to throw because he was anticipating his guys to break open and they weren't breaking as expected.

 

I would suggest listening to Josh's end of season press conference and his end of game press conference.  He says "I was pressing a bit in the first half" meaning, he had open checkdown or short routes he was passing up looking for the deep shot. In the end of season, he talks specifically about a sequence of plays that involved the near-pick.

 

He also does talk about some confusing coverage, where KC showed cover-0, he audibled, then they switched out of it pre-snap but he didn't have time to return to the original play.  I think the crowd noise did play a factor in that.

 

[Victory Formation]

He had a 2:1 TD ratio, nearly 300 yards passing and 100 yards rushing.. that’s not choking. Buffalo simply needs to build a more complete team.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

They weren't doing anything confusing on defense

 

They were pressing our receivers and mugging them downfield. can't get separation when you're being mugged and the refs are holding the flag 

 

Josh couldn't get rid of the ball because there was no open receivers downfield

 

 

Josh doesn't like to dink and dunk. That's what was there. 

[gobills404]

I think this is the main reason.

He was also pressured on 55% of his dropbacks in the first meeting.

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Absolutely and it is why I think they really tried to compared to their normal run / pass balance. It doesn't solve everything of course but it makes a pass rush hesitate if you can run into the gaps they are leaving. The problem is the Bills identity is as a passing offense. That is why they are 13-3. Not sure you can play that way against everyone else then just flip a switch when it is the Chiefs. Not easy. They need speed at running back though. They should look for a guy who is maybe overlooked because of size but who can run and accelerates fast. 

 

Bingo and this is why Allen had so many designed runs against the Colts.  But we're not Baltimore and the fact that Allen more then doubled up the rushing yards of our RB's in 2 of the 3 playoff games is a big problem.

 

And it wouldn't take much from one of our RB's to shake up the kind of defense the Chief were playing.  If Singleterry catches that pass and runs down the sideline for 30 yards it forces the Chiefs to rethink what they're doing.  A run up the middle that busts open for 25 yards is going to give a D coordinator heartburn.  Did we have even one run of that kind the entire season?

 

Our RB's are slow and not very elusive. They have almost no power and Singleterry doesn't have good hands.  The one thing they do well is pick up the blitz on pass plays.  But Sunday we had to use Yelden to get the production Singleterry wasn't giving us. The problem was that Yelden missed the blitz pickup a couple of times resulting in Allen running for his life.  It was a case of pick your poison.

 

The good news is that IMO this is a relatively easy off season fix.

 

 

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Sure seemed like the Chiefs knew the playcalls and had the perfect coverage/defense every single time.

[Big Turk]

12 hours ago, KzooMike said:

In order to be good you need to know where to throw the ball, then you execute quickly and accurately. We always knew if Josh ever got to a point where he didn't have to see a player come open but rather anticipate it, with his natural talent, the sky is the limit. KC has a good pass defense, that said, we underperformed dramatically against them this year. This made me wonder if two things that stuck with me recently might tell some of the story on why we struggle vs KC.   

 

• In a recent SI article (Genius of Brian Daboll) it discusses how Daboll coaches players to remove options in the route tree based on coverage. So instead of teaching a player who is the guy, you focus on teaching him who isn't. 
• This season, Buffalo increased it's rate of motion from 2019 by 27%, that is nearly 12% more than the next closest team. Daboll had players moving pre snap at one of the highest rates in the NFL. Most the time motion is used to diagnose coverage. 
• KC is one of the best teams in the NFL at hiding coverages

 

KC, along with a great pass rush, which compounds everything, plays the perfect defense to confuse Josh. Don't let him eliminate routes and make him go through the whole progression. If you watch the first half, Josh looked confused. We haven't seen him look like that in some time. He looked like he didn't know where the ball was supposed to go and threw what was likely his easiest INT ball all year. KC just dropped it.

 

It almost makes you wonder why more teams don't play Allen like the Chiefs. Well, let me ask you, how would the Bills play Allen? Cover 2 Zone, we wouldn't change. Teams are stubborn to identity. This is just like asking why don't teams motion more when motion has been statistically proven to have a + EPA?

 

We also struggle against NE. All but the last one. NE seems like a team that could care less about identity and likely employs a lot of hidden coverages. That said, the Chiefs are the best at this. Just a theory, discuss or call names....   

 

The issue is something the Bills are not doing well up front.  KC is NOT a great pass rush team by any metric.  However, they consistently in both games generated a LOT of pressure both when blitzing and via only rushing 4. It is really inexcusable to allow a team that is poor by NFL standards to basically look like the Steel Curtain when pass rushing you. Whatever their issues are they need to get them cleaned up. Cannot continue to play that poorly on offense against a team that you have no real reason to.

8 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

I think this is the main reason.

He was also pressured on 55% of his dropbacks in the first meeting.

 

Its inexcusable.  KC is NOT a good pass rushing team by any metric.  Bills OLine really needs to go to work on figuring out what went wrong because it is embarrassing to let a team that is not good at something normally just make you look silly in both games.

Edited January 26, 2021 by Big Turk

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

I think this is the main reason.

He was also pressured on 55% of his dropbacks in the first meeting.

 

Agree. When I get the time I am going to just sit and focus on those pressure downs. The drop off between our pass pro against everyone else and our pass pro against KC is definitely puzzling. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. When I get the time I am going to just sit and focus on those pressure downs. The drop off between our pass pro against everyone else and our pass pro against KC is definitely puzzling. 

 

I agree and it is inexcusable.  It would be one thing if KC was actually good at this normally but they aren't.

[djp14150]

12 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I was watching the game highlights today from the Bucs/Chiefs game to see how they defensed Brady. it was pretty similar.
 

How did Brady handle it? Check downs. Gronk and Jones had huge days on simple crosses and dump downs. 
 

I think those were there last night and josh didn’t take them. I also think the little crosses to Knox were there all night— but were rarely called. Once, I think. The chiefs can’t cover those very well. Other teams target their LB’s and Sorenson in coverage on those.

iirc KC built a big lead so they played softer.

[dave mcbride]

12 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I was watching the game highlights today from the Bucs/Chiefs game to see how they defensed Brady. it was pretty similar.
 

How did Brady handle it? Check downs. Gronk and Jones had huge days on simple crosses and dump downs. 
 

I think those were there last night and josh didn’t take them. I also think the little crosses to Knox were there all night— but were rarely called. Once, I think. The chiefs can’t cover those very well. Other teams target their LB’s and Sorenson in coverage on those.

As I said, he refused to take a lot of easy gainers throughout the game. Josh didn't play well on Sunday night, especially with regard to decision making. He'll get better.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Absolutely and it is why I think they really tried to compared to their normal run / pass balance. It doesn't solve everything of course but it makes a pass rush hesitate if you can run into the gaps they are leaving. The problem is the Bills identity is as a passing offense. That is why they are 13-3. Not sure you can play that way against everyone else then just flip a switch when it is the Chiefs. Not easy. They need speed at running back though. They should look for a guy who is maybe overlooked because of size but who can run and accelerates fast. 

 

Here is the issue tho.  Why did it not matter in the vast majority of games this year?  We played much much better pass rushing teams than the Chiefs, blocked them up well and shredded them. No excuse to allow a poor pass rushing team against every other team in the NFL to look like the 85 Bears both games against us.

Edited January 26, 2021 by Big Turk

[Jrb1979]

I really wonder if crowd noise had an affect on Allen.  Playing with no noise probably helped a lot. 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Here is the issue tho.  Why did it not matter in the vast majority of games this year?  We played much much better pass rushing teams than the Chiefs, blocked them up well and shredded them. No excuse to allow a poor pass rushing team against every other team in the NFL to look like the 85 Bears both games against us.

 

As I said not really had a chance to dig into the tape yet and compare the way KC rushed us to the way others did. 

[Mikie2times]

20 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Here is the issue tho.  Why did it not matter in the vast majority of games this year?  We played much much better pass rushing teams than the Chiefs, blocked them up well and shredded them. No excuse to allow a poor pass rushing team against every other team in the NFL to look like the 85 Bears both games against us.

That's where I'm at. We had solid pass pro all year and against much better teams. To me it extends past just the front four. Allen is more hesitant and it creates a delay in his release. That at least appears what it looks like to me.  

Edited January 26, 2021 by KzooMike

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Brown is still hurt. I said before that Arizona game which was his last before IR that I thought he needed surgery. I still think he needs surgery. He has been out there not healthy IMO. 

 

 

We should know in the next week or so then.

[Albwan]

12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

They did occassionally show a grasp or jersey hold. Face it we weren't get any of those calls. The NFL wanted and got their premier matchup. If we had a running game maybe they wouldn't have been able to flood the secondary. 

   This 100 percent. I've seen way too many cases of calls and non calls in big situations

to doubt the refs aren't driving the games. 

Bills vs Packers with covid affecting the commercials...would be a numbers disaster for the NFL.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

They weren't doing anything confusing on defense

 

They were pressing our receivers and mugging them downfield. can't get separation when you're being mugged and the refs are holding the flag 

 

Josh couldn't get rid of the ball because there was no open receivers downfield

 

 

 

They played single high man coverage - with some occaisional shade to diggs, or mathieu as a robber in the middle (essentially inside help against bease option routes).  They also were pretty grabby.  

[34-78-83]

As always, there were a number of contributing factors at play here.

One's that I noted or heard about from expert viewers (Eric Wood/ Cover 1) were:

 

1 - The extremely grabby defenders (Bills need to learn to play this way on D too if they get back to the AFC title game)

2- KC was waiting til Josh reacted to their alignment on D with adjustments, then they would switch out and then switch back to their original defensive alignment with very few seconds left on the clock causing confusion on the re-load

3- Crowd noise had both of our tackles reacting a split second late on snaps (which they weren't used to this year)

4- Our receivers were seriously banged up (especially Davis, Brown and Beasley to a degree)

 

[MJS]

13 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

This. Romo marveling at their ‘sticky coverage’ w no closeups 😂😂😂 you could see it on broadcast

Sticky fingers grabbing jerseys.

[Orlando Tim]

25 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

As always, there were a number of contributing factors at play here.

One's that I noted or heard about from expert viewers (Eric Wood/ Cover 1) were:

 

1 - The extremely grabby defenders (Bills need to learn to play this way on D too if they get back to the AFC title game)

2- KC was waiting til Josh reacted to their alignment on D with adjustments, then they would switch out and then switch back to their original defensive alignment with very few seconds left on the clock causing confusion on the re-load

3- Crowd noise had both of our tackles reacting a split second late on snaps (which they weren't used to this year)

4- Our receivers were seriously banged up (especially Davis, Brown and Beasley to a degree)

 

To me the first one is the biggest one because we did not take advantage of it on defense. If we had used Edmunds on Kelce and forced Kelce to fight more I think we would have done better. That being said we were not sharp and KC had their best game in 3 months so winning that one was gonna be almost impossible.

[C.Biscuit97]

44 minutes ago, Albwan said:

   This 100 percent. I've seen way too many cases of calls and non calls in big situations

to doubt the refs aren't driving the games. 

Bills vs Packers with covid affecting the commercials...would be a numbers disaster for the NFL.

Completely disagree and it’s crazy to think like that. The Packers are one of the most popular teams in the entire nfl. The Bills were the darlings of the postseason and would have been hugely popular.  Buffalo GB would have been a super popular football. 
 

we lost to a slightly better team. It sucks but I don’t understand conspiracy people. What a terrible way to live.

[Fan in Chicago]

13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

My opinion has nothing to do with what Tony Romo said

 

They obviously played more than one coverage the whole game

 

But if you had to break it down by coverages, by far the most used was a cover one robber press, or feigning back to cover 2 press 

 

Our outside receivers were manned up pretty much the entire game on the line of scrimmage. They were playing soft inside on the slot

 

 

 

 

Also, JA was not given much time to either (1) survey the field and wait for the WR to start breaking open (2) Decide to roll out and throw on the run or (3) run it himself. 

It is unlikely that our WRs, who have done a good job of separation most of the season, suddenly found themselves befuddled by the Chiefs press coverage. To compound issues, the lack of a balanced attack provided few options to JA

[TheFunPolice]

The best way to put pressure on the opposing QB is to go out and score 35+ points. 

 

All of a sudden you can just cut your very talented DL loose, send a blitz here and there, and the opposing offense needs to be perfect. Dropping a pass, taking a sack, fumbling... all death sentences, or at least it feels like it, because once they punt you awkwardly trot out and in 3 plays it's 7 more points. 

 

If you're playing with the mentality of needing lots of TDs you are going to press all game. That helps a fast, aggressive defense do its work. 

[TheJauronClap]

It also doesn’t help that 2 of your starting receivers were dealing with a leg and ankle injury. Making it easier for cbs to run with them

[CodeMonkey]

Basically IMO the Bills are a pass only offense.  The KC defense including coaching is very good against the pass.  The Bills had no answer either game.  And with Mahomes and the weapons he has, they were going to score.  The Bills couldn't keep up and got frustrated.  To compete with KC , and quite frankly take the next step, they will need to not be one dimensional on offense, get a running game (including the ability to run block) more than just Josh Allen.

 

Josh Allen made incredible advances this past off season and that is the biggest reason for the teams success this season.  To take the next step will require some GM and coaching advances this off season. Which I'm confident this team has the ability to do.

Edited January 26, 2021 by CodeMonkey

[Fan in Chicago]

38 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said:

Basically IMO the Bills are a pass only offense.  The KC defense including coaching is very good against the pass.  The Bills had no answer either game.  And with Mahomes and the weapons he has, they were going to score.  The Bills couldn't keep up and got frustrated.  To compete with KC , and quite frankly take the next step, they will need to not be one dimensional on offense, get a running game (including the ability to run block) more than just Josh Allen.

 

Josh Allen made incredible advances this past off season and that is the biggest reason for the teams success this season.  To take the next step will require some GM and coaching advances this off season. Which I'm confident this team has the ability to do.

 

Yes, we need to add to the offense, in particular the run game. We will always be a pass first offense but adding the run element will avoid situations like last weekend.

 

But dont ignore the defense, which needs quite a lot of attention. The O was masking the flaws but thats not a championship-quality D. I can immediately think of needs such as 1x DL, 1x LB, 2xDBs, 1x EDGE which have to be added over the offseason to truly contend for the Lombardi.

 

In a way, I am "happy" that we lost last weekend rather than put up this crappy show in the Superbowl against a Brady-led offense. I would have been monumentally more depressed if we had lost the SB, in this fashion, against Brady 

[colin]

15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Maybe some of their linebackers were moving around. But 80% of the game, their secondary was lined up in cover one press, ran a bunch of robber, or feigned robber and played cover two man press

 

They weren't that confusing pre-snap. 

 

They pressed and manned up on our receivers the whole game, while dialing in the blitz

 

true, and the did it very well.

 

my issue with out D when we fall back to bad habits is it allows for no disguise, and it's easy for QBs to manipulate our LBs who seem to at time be asked to do not just something they can't do well, but the impossible.

[Dablitzkrieg]

Josh bypassed numerous checkdowns that were wide open all game.  He even admitted so in the press conference.  Next time, he'll be better

[Plano]

Defensive Holding is how they got away with it. 

 

That's not the only reason we lost, but that's why our receivers weren't getting open.

"sticky coverage" AKA defensive holding AKA pass interference. 

 

 

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

Does not see them enough also he did a very good job on Sunday, the next time they play is were Josh shines, Josh always struggles against a team the first time around he plays them again and  makes teams pay Miami and Patriots ring a bell.  The problem is our Defense this year and I think it goes deeper than just talent on the field, McDermott and Frazier I believe had disagreements over the play book and how the defense should be run.  My theory is the Jets game in the Meadowlands  this year in the first half you saw a defense where they let the Jets down nickel and dime us to death and letting the Jets in the End zone not getting one sack (Reminds me of Sunday). All of a sudden the 2nd Half starts there is a new defense that emerges one that does not let the Jets get a first down and sacking Darnold I think 6 times.  If you notice the players  one day they show up and are all over the field making plays sacking the Qb and looking like the 85 bears out there and then there is another where players our lost, they don't know who to cover, and don't get a sack and look like they need a smoke break when there is a time out on the field this just a theory but I hope other fans notice it too.

4 minutes ago, Plano said:

Defensive Holding is how they got away with it. 

 

That's not the only reason we lost, but that's why our receivers weren't getting open.

"sticky coverage" AKA defensive holding AKA pass interference. 

 

 

I agree look at the Tampa and Green Bay game the pass interference was going on all day the only reason they called the one that ended the game is because Tom was the Quarterback.  But I agree Diggs was getting up every time and looking at the Refs like saying come on man.

[DrPJax]

19 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I was watching the game highlights today from the Bucs/Chiefs game to see how they defensed Brady. it was pretty similar.
 

How did Brady handle it? Check downs. Gronk and Jones had huge days on simple crosses and dump downs. 
 

I think those were there last night and josh didn’t take them. I also think the little crosses to Knox were there all night— but were rarely called. Once, I think. The chiefs can’t cover those very well. Other teams target their LB’s and Sorenson in coverage on those.

Ding ding ding! Bingo!  Josh doesn’t take underneath things. Been an issue with him all year.  Chris sims pointed it out several times.  I blame this on Josh and I heap more blame on Daboll.  He has this great friendship with josh. Well that ok but sometimes a coach needs to get in a players ear and chew them a new one.  There was stuff open underneath all night and Jon’s keeps holding the ball as guys cross in front of him and then finally gets the ball out too late IF HE THROWS underneath I the area they are giving him open receivers. He does not trust them to make YAC. Maybe it’s somewhat justified cuz all Daboll gives him underneath is Devin or Knox usually , sending the wrs on deeper routes. Except for Beasley , who josh will go to but most of the time he hits Beasley late and makes it s mor difficult pass or it takes away Beasley s ability to cut after catching the ball. This is mostly o. Josh and his coaches letting him get away with this. Watch mahomes. Same talented arm strength , but he is not afraid to flip the ball out quickly , underhanded , sidearm , anything of the guys are open. Rarely do you see him siting back there debating.  You rarely see him take 25 yard sacks like moss does almost once a game.
 

Hey , love Josh as a competitor, he is tough and great fit for Buffalo. But he still has flaws he keeps saying “ I can’t do that . , yet he repeats the same decision flaws over and over.   He has corrected mechanical flaws. He has not corrected hero ball , holding the ball too long looking for the big plays way to often.  If he woiod just check Down 10% more , the d woiod have to come up more and get out of those deep drops that blanket joshes preferred throwing routes.  Needs coaches to hammer this ; hey if Belichick can give Brady ***** after 20 years , josh can grow a little and take some valid criticism and teaching still. He still has a ways to go to be on a level with mahomes , Rodgers , Brady who were part of the final 4.  Brady and mahomes rarely make huge negative plays and to take the next step , Josh needs to ,once and for all learn it’s ok to take what’s there.  Still young , still much room to grow. 

[Coach Tuesday]

16 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

Ding ding ding! Bingo!  Josh doesn’t take underneath things. Been an issue with him all year.  Chris sims pointed it out several times.  I blame this on Josh and I heap more blame on Daboll.  He has this great friendship with josh. Well that ok but sometimes a coach needs to get in a players ear and chew them a new one.  There was stuff open underneath all night and Jon’s keeps holding the ball as guys cross in front of him and then finally gets the ball out too late IF HE THROWS underneath I the area they are giving him open receivers. He does not trust them to make YAC. Maybe it’s somewhat justified cuz all Daboll gives him underneath is Devin or Knox usually , sending the wrs on deeper routes. Except for Beasley , who josh will go to but most of the time he hits Beasley late and makes it s mor difficult pass or it takes away Beasley s ability to cut after catching the ball. This is mostly o. Josh and his coaches letting him get away with this. Watch mahomes. Same talented arm strength , but he is not afraid to flip the ball out quickly , underhanded , sidearm , anything of the guys are open. Rarely do you see him siting back there debating.  You rarely see him take 25 yard sacks like moss does almost once a game.
 

Hey , love Josh as a competitor, he is tough and great fit for Buffalo. But he still has flaws he keeps saying “ I can’t do that . , yet he repeats the same decision flaws over and over.   He has corrected mechanical flaws. He has not corrected hero ball , holding the ball too long looking for the big plays way to often.  If he woiod just check Down 10% more , the d woiod have to come up more and get out of those deep drops that blanket joshes preferred throwing routes.  Needs coaches to hammer this ; hey if Belichick can give Brady ***** after 20 years , josh can grow a little and take some valid criticism and teaching still. He still has a ways to go to be on a level with mahomes , Rodgers , Brady who were part of the final 4.  Brady and mahomes rarely make huge negative plays and to take the next step , Josh needs to ,once and for all learn it’s ok to take what’s there.  Still young , still much room to grow. 

Dude just had the best quarterbacking season in franchise history.  It’s his third year.  He has so much God-given arm talent he has not yet had to even begin to master his short game.  He will have to adjust and why wouldn’t he?  It’s the easier part of the game to get better at as a QB.  That and understanding how to use a running game (checking into the right runs etc.) will take him to Grand Master level and extend his career.  It will happen probably as soon as next year.

Edited January 27, 2021 by Coach Tuesday

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8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Completely disagree and it’s crazy to think like that. The Packers are one of the most popular teams in the entire nfl. The Bills were the darlings of the postseason and would have been hugely popular.  Buffalo GB would have been a super popular football. 
 

we lost to a slightly better team. It sucks but I don’t understand conspiracy people. What a terrible way to live.

Bills v Brady would’ve been huuuge!