Hebert19 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I get Coach's loyalty but how is it a good idea to play in AFC Championship with your 2,3,4 receivers hobbled? 1. Beasley likely will have meniscus surgery is my guess. He was a warrior but clearly not as full strength. 2. Brown was never healthy since like week 4. Guessing he also has surgery on his agenda. Knee ankle i don't know what. 3. Gabe couldn't even play all game until the end and was clearly not at full strength. We ended up running Knox out there as a WR basically all night because we were short and yet we had 2 practice squad guys that whether they know the offense or not could have stepped in. We needed to score a bunch of points tonight. We knew this would be the case...yet we went is knowingly short handed. This was a fail! 10 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 stop it. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 Stop what? We literally had 3 receivers playing injured. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Are you still mad? Have you gone to sleep yet? Sleep it off buddy, you’ll feel better when you wake up 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 This isn't about mad. Its a topic just like every other on here. An honest question. This hurt us as we couldn't get separation all game. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Stop what? We literally had 3 receivers playing injured. what's your solution? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Honestly, I did not like the Davis move over Stills. Davis barely got on the field and did not look himself when he did. And McD answer was pretty weak in that he relied on the doctors and wanted to error on the side of giving the guys who played for him all year a chance to play in the game. You watched him all week and if he did not look himself, you have to put a healthy wr out there. This is not Diggs we are talking about where he could still be a decoy but a rookie. He clearly was not right and we clearly could have used some more juice at that position especially since Beasley and Brown have been taking turns breaking down as of late. Edited January 25, 2021 by racketmaster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) I understand that Still was "new" and maybe didn't know the playbook as well, but dang, at least try something. And, I've been very strong on bringing up A. Williams at RB. I still don't understand why he wasn't at least given a shot. Perhaps it was because we played Miami and he really isn't that good, but how do you know. But, John Brown has not been the same. I believe he was a liability in the game. Ultimately, it was more the Defense not stopping a damn thing and the O line not providing any protection that sealed our fate. Edited January 25, 2021 by Houston's #1 Bills Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: This isn't about mad. Its a topic just like every other on here. An honest question. This hurt us as we couldn't get separation all game. Literally all of our WRs were hurt. What is there to discuss? What did you want them to do? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Duke would've saved us 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Stills needing to be active and getting significant reps is among the least controversial things we could say - no denying we were beat up, as OP said 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 We had a healthy McKittrick and he touched the ball like what, 3 times? Dude does nothing but make plays, time and time again, but we're trotting Welcome Back out there on a bad wheel. Grrr... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Stop what? We literally had 3 receivers playing injured. 4. Diggs(oblique), Brown(knee/ankle), Beasley(Knee/possible groin), Davis(ankle) Edited January 25, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I think there was a play or two last night where Lee Smith was lined up in the slot. That must have really scared the KC defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: This isn't about mad. Its a topic just like every other on here. An honest question. This hurt us as we couldn't get separation all game. Your summary is correct. three dinged receivers, and that doesn't count Diggs oblique. But, also a O line that couldn't keep allen clean and, a D that could stop the Chiefs O. What what's with Hughes and D Johnson out in coverage. Those guys looked like statues out there w the db's and wr's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: 4. Diggs(oblique), Brown(knee/ankle), Beasley(Knee/possible groin), Davis(ankle) With Davis being the only one on the official injury report designation though? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2928013-afc-championship-game-2021-injury-report-predictions-for-bills-vs-chiefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I get Coach's loyalty but how is it a good idea to play in AFC Championship with your 2,3,4 receivers hobbled? 1. Beasley likely will have meniscus surgery is my guess. He was a warrior but clearly not as full strength. 2. Brown was never healthy since like week 4. Guessing he also has surgery on his agenda. Knee ankle i don't know what. 3. Gabe couldn't even play all game until the end and was clearly not at full strength. We ended up running Knox out there as a WR basically all night because we were short and yet we had 2 practice squad guys that whether they know the offense or not could have stepped in. We needed to score a bunch of points tonight. We knew this would be the case...yet we went is knowingly short handed. This was a fail! I think you answer your own questions. When your legit starting WR are injured, your team has to make a judgement call: Is my hampered starter better than these 2 practice squad guys who are on our practice squad all season because 31 other teams don't think they're starters? And "whether they know the offense" and have timing down with Josh matters. The results of not having timing down, or not having the exact route running, would also not be good. Clearly the coaches and trainers and players felt that injured Brown, Beasley, and Davis was still better than their backup alternatives. It doesn't mean that they were playing their best, it's a violent game and injuries happen. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 33 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Stop what? We literally had 3 receivers playing injured. I don't think you know the severity on their injuries from the couch. If they weren't healthy enough, they wouldn't have played. Beasley did have 7 catches for 88 yards yesterday. So what if Lee Smith lined up in the slot? His last catch went for 15 yards because no one covered him....this team all season has made plays with several people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 39 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I get Coach's loyalty but how is it a good idea to play in AFC Championship with your 2,3,4 receivers hobbled? 1. Beasley likely will have meniscus surgery is my guess. He was a warrior but clearly not as full strength. 2. Brown was never healthy since like week 4. Guessing he also has surgery on his agenda. Knee ankle i don't know what. 3. Gabe couldn't even play all game until the end and was clearly not at full strength. We ended up running Knox out there as a WR basically all night because we were short and yet we had 2 practice squad guys that whether they know the offense or not could have stepped in. We needed to score a bunch of points tonight. We knew this would be the case...yet we went is knowingly short handed. This was a fail! What are you talking about MCClappy was just going to be conservative and kick field goals what do you need receivers for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 ok. so what should the bills have done? i really have no idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 It's the end of the football year. EVERY player in football is hurt. Mahomes just came out of concussion protocol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said: Stills needing to be active and getting significant reps is among the least controversial things we could say - no denying we were beat up, as OP said You have no idea what he looks like in practice and how much of what John Brown has said is a very complicated offense, he's grasped. So yeah, saying he "needs to be active" is contraversial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: 2. Brown was never healthy since like week 4. Guessing he also has surgery on his agenda. Knee ankle i don't know what. I'm thinking the Bills will perform a "Brownectomy" this off-season... 44 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Stop what? We literally had 3 receivers playing injured. Yeah! They should have sat all of those guys and put in those...other guys! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: Your summary is correct. three dinged receivers, and that doesn't count Diggs oblique. But, also a O line that couldn't keep allen clean and, a D that could stop the Chiefs O. What what's with Hughes and D Johnson out in coverage. Those guys looked like statues out there w the db's and wr's. They can't rush the passer anymore so they might as well play cb? We needed healthy wrs but that wasn't the case. We needed a running game but that didn't exist. And we needed a better scheme to stop Kelce. McD better figure this out because everything goes thru KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: With Davis being the only one on the official injury report designation though? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2928013-afc-championship-game-2021-injury-report-predictions-for-bills-vs-chiefs Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I'm thinking the Bills will perform a "Brownectomy" this off-season... Yeah! They should have sat all of those guys and put in those...other guys! Similar to the Fosterectomy already performed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, teef said: ok. so what should the bills have done? i really have no idea. Not sure if there's an answer for this past game, but next year I'm not sure we can be wasting a WR spot on a pure KR/PR.... If Stills had been on this team all year, we can probably play him over one of the injured guys and not worry about all the negatives of his inexperience with Josh. We can't be a heavy 4-wide team when our 5th WR is a gadget guy and 6th WR is a KR/PR only. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Real easy to commit to covering your WRs and double teamming them when you have ZERO concern for the offenses running game. Leave it to your front 5-6 guys they got it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, teef said: ok. so what should the bills have done? i really have no idea. When we start getting smoked in flag football I sometimes start digging a hole in the ground and stick my head in it like a ostrich Edited January 25, 2021 by Call_Of_Ktulu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hebert19 said: 1. Beasley likely will have meniscus surgery is my guess. He was a warrior but clearly not as full strength. 2. Brown was never healthy since like week 4. Guessing he also has surgery on his agenda. Knee ankle i don't know what. 3. Gabe couldn't even play all game until the end and was clearly not at full strength. Love me some Beasley. He was a wounded warrior that played better then I thought. 75% when he was able to get out there. Enough to help but not the same Beasley to be uber worried about. Brown wasn't right and hasn't been, from what I seen since he's been back. Shouldn't of played Gabe wasn't right. Shouldn't of played Diggs, Knox and Yeldon doesn't send fear down the spine. We are a high powered offense but having the 3 wr's, clearly not close to being able to make a difference, was flawed from from the start. Not versus the type of offense KC has. That part is coaching and decision making. 2 blown tires on our Ferrari only made us spin in circles. I was afraid that it would of been too easy to take Brown and Davis out of the game plan. I admire the players attempt but we could of used others wr's better. I don't think it's whining....I think that a major deficit before the game even started. That being said. I think it's Daboll's worse game plan and real time adjustments. Fraziers too. Our coach played it too conservative in some of his decisions. I think Josh had an issue with the crowd noise hearing it for the first time and seemed a little rushed all the time. He was trying to do too much and it seemed he couldn't get comfortable or in any type of rhythm. I saw some bad forced throws. I saw our line getting blown up causing the pocket to collapse as soon as Josh caught the ball. Our running game? Is there one? Yeldon was our best rb yesterday. There is enough blame to go around. Bottom line, we got our asses handed to us yesterday by a better and more complete team. (coaches and players) We are getting closer as a team. They can, and will, do better. The best is right ahead of us. They WILL find a way! Make some moves Beane! GO BILLS! Edited January 25, 2021 by The Tomcat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Similar to the Fosterectomy already performed? More difficult, as he is more firmly adhered to the fanbase than Foster. The dissection will cause more suffering, but it will be as short lived. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 They had to play with what they had & they had to know that they weren't 100% all week so I put a lot of that on Daboll. I despised the game plan yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Gabe Davis was done after his injury early against Baltimore. Not sure of the thought process to play him yesterday. He was obviously easy to cover since he was blanketed the entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, racketmaster said: Honestly, I did not like the Davis move over Stills. Davis barely got on the field and did not look himself when he did. And McD answer was pretty weak in that he relied on the doctors and wanted to error on the side of giving the guys who played for him all year a chance to play in the game. You watched him all week and if he did not look himself, you have to put a healthy wr out there. This is not Diggs we are talking about where he could still be a decoy but a rookie. He clearly was not right and we clearly could have used some more juice at that position especially since Beasley and Brown have been taking turns breaking down as of late. I agree. Davis was the issue. He simply was too impaired. No doubt some very tough decisions given 3 hurt going in. So I agree w @Hapless Bills Fanthat coaches forced to make risk-reward calculus. Imo, they were 2 for 3 (B&B) on those choices, which ain't bad. Best example of issue: readily apparent Davis had no (physical) ability to catch the left corner end zone pass. Specifically, he could not perform that last two-step, hand-fight push, high-point explosion that the ball demanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, teef said: ok. so what should the bills have done? i really have no idea. You’ve been on this board long enough to understand that having “no idea” is no excuse. Feel free to post stupid thoughts. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Hebert19 said: I get Coach's loyalty but how is it a good idea to play in AFC Championship with your 2,3,4 receivers hobbled? 1. Beasley likely will have meniscus surgery is my guess. He was a warrior but clearly not as full strength. 2. Brown was never healthy since like week 4. Guessing he also has surgery on his agenda. Knee ankle i don't know what. 3. Gabe couldn't even play all game until the end and was clearly not at full strength. We ended up running Knox out there as a WR basically all night because we were short and yet we had 2 practice squad guys that whether they know the offense or not could have stepped in. We needed to score a bunch of points tonight. We knew this would be the case...yet we went is knowingly short handed. This was a fail! This is so dumb. They were dinged up, but they weren't injured. We didn't lose because they were a 1/5th of a step slower. We were outcoached in terms of gameplan and outclassed in terms of talent - neither or which was there much anyone could do anything about. This is the first year in 27 years that we've been a very good team - it's ok not to win it all the first time. We need more talent, and we need to be more diverse in our scheme. That's really all there is to it. The Chiefs are defending SB Champs, have a QB that's led them to 3 AFCCG before the age of 26 and are already looking like another all-time great dynasty. Not everything is somebody's "fault". You can't stop destiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Hebert19 said: This isn't about mad. Its a topic just like every other on here. An honest question. This hurt us as we couldn't get separation all game. The same people telling you to shut up in this thread are likely also the people who picked the Bills to win by several scores. So keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The real issue for me is McKenzie. Hes a dynamic playmaker. He never touches the ball and its downright stupid. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, The Firebaugh Kid said: The real issue for me is McKenzie. Hes a dynamic playmaker. He never touches the ball and its downright stupid. We certainly over think things that's for sure. 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: This is so dumb. They were dinged up, but they weren't injured. We didn't lose because they were a 1/5th of a step slower. We were outcoached in terms of gameplan and outclassed in terms of talent - neither or which was there much anyone could do anything about. This is the first year in 27 years that we've been a very good team - it's ok not to win it all the first time. We need more talent, and we need to be more diverse in our scheme. That's really all there is to it. The Chiefs are defending SB Champs, have a QB that's led them to 3 AFCCG before the age of 26 and are already looking like another all-time great dynasty. Not everything is somebody's "fault". You can't stop destiny. Gabe Davis didn't even play. He was a waste of a roster spot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said: I think there was a play or two last night where Lee Smith was lined up in the slot. That must have really scared the KC defense. We really should've brought Patrick DiMarco back to run the fly route. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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