Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Not all news is broken on Twitter: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30767717/source-kansas-city-chiefs-rb-clyde-edwards-helaire-likely-play-vs-buffalo-bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 If we are going to invite them to run again to some extent then I feel better if a lot of that running is Darrel Williams. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 This as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Remember when EJ Manuel "threw" Watkins into that ankle injury in the end zone? I was a bad throw, but come on man, Watkins was so brittle. So good to have traded him away to another team who can deal with that. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 40 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: This as well He keeps saying it feels better now than it did earlier this week but that doesn’t make sense given the injury. He can play on it - actually Rivers had it too when we played him - but it doesn’t just get better if you continue to play on it. Most players with it miss time. He will need a metal plate and a shot I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Remember when EJ Manuel "threw" Watkins into that ankle injury in the end zone? I was a bad throw, but come on man, Watkins was so brittle. So good to have traded him away to another team who can deal with that. IMO, Watkins has always possessed tremendous talent that has never consistently manifested on the field. The fact is that he is receiver with a career 58 catch percentage who struggles to stay on the field. I had no problem when they decided to let him go and I have no personal animosity toward him. I have more of an issue with Whaley for what he gave up to get Watkins, than I do with Watkins himself for not living up to the expectations that came with it. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He keeps saying it feels better now than it did earlier this week but that doesn’t make sense given the injury. He can play on it - actually Rivers had it too when we played him - but it doesn’t just get better if you continue to play on it. Most players with it miss time. He will need a metal plate and a shot I assume. Hopefully the Bills will help by giving him a few shots... Pain in other areas of the body help with Toe pain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, TBBills said: Hopefully the Bills will help by giving him a few shots... Pain in other areas of the body help with Toe pain. At the very least, there will be certain plays that Reid isn’t going to call. Bills need to make him very uncomfortable in the pocket. There is a reason he got hurt against the Browns. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: IMO, Watkins has always possessed tremendous talent that has never consistently manifested on the field. The fact is that he is receiver with a career 58 catch percentage who struggles to stay on the field. I had no problem when they decided to let him go and I have no personal animosity toward him. I have more of an issue with Whaley for what he gave up to get Watkins, than I do with Watkins himself for not living up to the expectations that came with it. Exactly. It's never a player's fault when a team drafts him too high, or gives up too much to get him. The player does what he can do. Watkins showed flashes of brilliance but could never keep himself intact enough to excel. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He keeps saying it feels better now than it did earlier this week but that doesn’t make sense given the injury. He can play on it - actually Rivers had it too when we played him - but it doesn’t just get better if you continue to play on it. Most players with it miss time. He will need a metal plate and a shot I assume. Yea agreed. Don’t remember which foot it was on Rivers but it’s Mahomes left, his plant foot, so sort of a big deal. And generally the toe gets worse the more you play on it, not better. Running is actually a big part of Mahomes game, though not talked about much. He loves to run on 3rd downs. I wonder how much this limits him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) mahomes is the luckiest qb in the league when chucking up passes that should be picked off but aren’t. Bills need to rush with discipline, keep him bottled up in the pocket and his mechanics may get thrown off with that injury. Edited January 24, 2021 by YoloinOhio 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Sure hope his toe doesn’t get stepped on a lot during the first quarter... nudge nudge wink wink... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Bell not playing in a Chiefs AFCC game? Might as well wear the McCoy jersey under the hoodie.... 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: IMO, Watkins has always possessed tremendous talent that has never consistently manifested on the field. Where did it manifest? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I assume he’s referring to mahomes boo boo toe 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I assume he’s referring to mahomes boo boo toe YOLO, I get the sense that you smell blood in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Anyone on this board ever have turf toe? It's obviously painful and takes forever to heal. I'm wondering if (when) he gets shots in it to numb it throughout the game, if that makes him able to use/ push off with that foot normally. I'm guessing he's been practicing this week with the shots to realize what It's going to feel like and what limitations he has. Probably a strange sensation having that part of the foot numb... but how debilitating is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 58 minutes ago, Utah John said: Exactly. It's never a player's fault when a team drafts him too high, or gives up too much to get him. The player does what he can do. Watkins showed flashes of brilliance but could never keep himself intact enough to excel. It was never his fault where he was drafted. I will say it’s his fault that he alligator arms passes, avoids contact by running out of bounds frequency, and has stated that he was always drunk and high while in Buffalo. I don’t think I’m making a blind assumption, in his own words the effort wasn’t there when he was drafted. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Sure hope his toe doesn’t get stepped on a lot during the first quarter... nudge nudge wink wink... Leslie Frazier: “Sweep the toe. You have a problem with that?” Justin Zimmer: “No, sensei.” Leslie Frazier: “No mercy.” 5 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I assume he’s referring to mahomes boo boo toe I hope whats on his mind is how him and defensive line were man handled in week 6 and won't let that happen again 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: Remember when EJ Manuel "threw" Watkins into that ankle injury in the end zone? I was a bad throw, but come on man, Watkins was so brittle. So good to have traded him away to another team who can deal with that. Remember when we traded up to get like the 7th best WR in that draft? Instead of staying where we were and getting a better guy. Or just trade up to kept Mack in Buffalo? It’s nice to have competent people in charge now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 How many more excuses can these guys prepare for a KC loss? If Bills win, it's not legit. ***** these guys!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 You all are a lot more forgiving about Watkins. There are a handful of former Bills that I really dislike. And he is one of them (Gilmore, Jairus Byrd, and Dareus). Re Watkins, he is soft (mentally and physically), always has a ton of excuses, and produces poorly for his obvious talent level and his salary. He’s just an underachieving slacker. Chiefs’ fans appear to have the same view of him— total frustration and irritation for him giving so little for how much he makes. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 He does his job well. His job is professional decoy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: You all are a lot more forgiving about Watkins. There are a handful of former Bills that I really dislike. And he is one of them (Gilmore, Jairus Byrd, and Dareus). Re Watkins, he is soft (mentally and physically), always has a ton of excuses, and produces poorly for his obvious talent level and his salary. He’s just an underachieving slacker. Chiefs’ fans appear to have the same view of him— total frustration and irritation for him giving so little for how much he makes. There weren’t many people who were on board with the trade. I thought it made perfect logical sense and for me it was one of the defining moves made by Beane early in his career as GM of the Bills. Highly unpopular move that took a lot of chutzpah and he pulled the trigger despite all the teeth gnashing from many in the fan base. He has been unequivocally vindicated with the move. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Magox said: There weren’t many people who were on board with the trade. I thought it made perfect logical sense and for me it was one of the defining moves made by Beane early in his career as GM of the Bills. Highly unpopular move that took a lot of chutzpah and he pulled the trigger despite all the teeth gnashing from many in the fan base. He has been unequivocally vindicated with the move. You do know it wasn't Beane that made that trade, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 By the way, re CEH, I am not sure him playing or not is all that huge. Those other chiefs backs all seem to fit their scheme pretty well and run hard. I thought Williams ran hard last week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: By the way, re CEH, I am not sure him playing or not is all that huge. Those other chiefs backs all seem to fit their scheme pretty well and run hard. I thought Williams ran hard last week. Who are the other ones besides Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Mahomes with Turf Toe CHE on pitch count Bell OUT Watkins likely OUT I wouldn’t say that any of these injuries are a difference maker but I think it is a small advantage for the Bills. Hopefully they can take care of business today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Mahomes with Turf Toe CHE on pitch count Bell OUT Watkins likely OUT I wouldn’t say that any of these injuries are a difference maker but I think it is a small advantage for the Bills. Hopefully they can take care of business today. LB Willie Gay also out. Not a starter but plays about 20% of snaps and was the 4th highest graded rookie left in the playoffs. Probably their fastest LB and could have been used to spy Allen. Edited January 24, 2021 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: You do know it wasn't Beane that made that trade, right? Beane did trade Watkins to the Rams, which is what Magox is referring to. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Who are the other ones besides Williams? I think it’s someone named Thompson, who gets a handful of carries. Both guys can hit the hole Hard for 4-yard gains. Also, it may just be me, but I think CEH is just okay. Not a guy to be super worried about. He had two great games this year (one against us)— but seems stoppable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, TPS said: Beane did trade Watkins to the Rams, which is what Magox is referring to. Gotcha - my bad! That was definitely a phenomenal move in hindsight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Those high ankle sprains are tough. If CEH wasn’t well enough to play in a huge game last week vs Cleveland, he certainly isn’t 100% this week. Straight line running will be ok, but making quick cuts will be dicey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Watkins didn't play the first time and obviously neither did Bell (who is a nobody at this point anyway). CEH torched the Bills for 161 yards at 6.2 YPC. His being limited will help a lot. So should Mahomes' toe injury and Breeland just barely passing concussion protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 51 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: Anyone on this board ever have turf toe? It's obviously painful and takes forever to heal. I'm wondering if (when) he gets shots in it to numb it throughout the game, if that makes him able to use/ push off with that foot normally. I'm guessing he's been practicing this week with the shots to realize what It's going to feel like and what limitations he has. Probably a strange sensation having that part of the foot numb... but how debilitating is that? The shot is a combo of local anesthetic, steroid and probably toradol. It will have to go into and around the joint which is right at the base of the big toe. You can’t numb the whole foot obviously because then you won’t have balance. It’s going to effect him. I felt from the last game the toe would have more impact than the head injury. You could see how it impacted him after it flared up in the second half when he couldn’t step into his throws as much and it will limit (not eliminate) his running ability. Keep in mind he will have a metal plate under that toe to limit hyper extension. The shot can definitely decrease the pain but it doesn’t eliminate it and constant use, like in a friggin AFC Championship game, can cause it to act up especially in the second half despite repeated injections. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I know the book is not to blitz Mahomes, but with his toe injury got to bring some heat. Make him move around to feel the pain and throw him off his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 48 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: You all are a lot more forgiving about Watkins. There are a handful of former Bills that I really dislike. And he is one of them (Gilmore, Jairus Byrd, and Dareus). Re Watkins, he is soft (mentally and physically), always has a ton of excuses, and produces poorly for his obvious talent level and his salary. He’s just an underachieving slacker. Chiefs’ fans appear to have the same view of him— total frustration and irritation for him giving so little for how much he makes. Well really jairus did us a favor in the long run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Good, good and good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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