Mango Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, CaliBills said: So let me ask anyone willing to answer. If Mahomes doctor's come out and say it wasn't a concussion. His head twisted in a way to pinch a nerve causing momentary dizziness and blackout. We put him in concussion protocol to ensure his safety and he passed all the tests in a short period of time and he is good to go. Would you even believe them? At the risk of diving much too far down the rabbit hole...and also being wrong... I think that your GP has a larger legal and ethical responsibility to the overall well being of the patient than a consultant does (outside of an actual hospital setting). So yes, if Mahomes GP came out and said he is healthy enough to play there would be ample weight behind that, because the GP is beholden to Mahomes actual well being. But no GP would ever come out and say that their patient is OK to play 7 days post concussion, because they aren't. There is a reason that there are lots of waivers involved. The seal of approval to come back post concussion and play in the NFL is basically "well you probably wouldn't die on the field". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Regardless. I want Mahomes out there facing us. No BS asterisks. And yes, that was no pinched nerve. This is just PR to alleviate any concerns about the NFL concussion protocol. No way Mahomes is be out for that game. Concussion or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thronethinker Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Per a Report out of KC...ok. That is not official. Dude was concussed and everyone knows it. He couldn’t even stand up or look coherent. Anyone reporting anything otherwise is just plain lying. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Lol pinched nerve. That's a new one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: I thought it was a neck injury when I saw it. The Browns player almost tore his head off. With that twist of the neck and all the weight falling down it very well could have cut the blood off to his brain, almost like a choke or strike to the neck. Whatever amount of blood was cut off, it was for a millisecond. Watch it again in real speed. He suffered a concussion from a violent deceleration of his head and quite clearly did not know where he was after the play was over. Lost all balance as well. His own linemen were looking in his eyes and gesturing to medical staff "He's not right, get out here." This BS about a nerve is the KC cover story IMO to try and get him around the concussion protocol. HERE IS THE KEY: As far as we know, he is STILL in the protocol! They can call it what they want, but he is going to have to convince an independent neurologist that he is OK to go before he plays in the game. He is also likely to have a very abnormal and incomplete week of practice which is another benefit to the Bills, even if he does play on Sunday. Edited January 18, 2021 by Nextmanup 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliBills Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, Mango said: At the risk of diving much too far down the rabbit hole...and also being wrong... I think that your GP has a larger legal and ethical responsibility to the overall well being of the patient than a consultant does (outside of an actual hospital setting). So yes, if Mahomes GP came out and said he is healthy enough to play there would be ample weight behind that, because the GP is beholden to Mahomes actual well being. But no GP would ever come out and say that their patient is OK to play 7 days post concussion, because they aren't. There is a reason that there are lots of waivers involved. The seal of approval to come back post concussion and play in the NFL is basically "well you probably wouldn't die on the field". Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, teef said: i hate it when everyone yells! STOP BEING A B word! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Reid running Mahomes in that situation in that game was one of the most epically stupid offensive calls in years. In regards to the debate about the choke hold or neck pinch, both are ridiculous. He wasn't choked and the only possibility of losing oxygen to the brain like that is if he took a blow to the windpipe, which doesn't happen on that play. what is more likely, is what has been said by others on here already. A concussion where the brain moves a bit and hits the inside of the skull. That would account for the visible symptoms without the huge blow to the head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, cale said: Regardless. I want Mahomes out there facing us. No BS asterisks.And yes, that was no pinched nerve. This is just PR to alleviate any concerns about the NFL concussion protocol. No way Mahomes is be out for that game. Concussion or not. I have no clue what it was but a pinched nerve can make you dizzy like that. I didn't see a heavy hit to his head but his neck was definitely torqued 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, CaliBills said: So let me ask anyone willing to answer. If Mahomes doctor's come out and say it wasn't a concussion. His head twisted in a way to pinch a nerve causing momentary dizziness and blackout. We put him in concussion protocol to ensure his safety and he passed all the tests in a short period of time and he is good to go. Would you even believe them? First of all, it doesn't work that way. If he is in the protocol, the protocol is clearly defined and has 5 stages that he must move through over a period of days. At the end of all of it, even if the KC team physicians clear him to play, he must get further approval from an independent neurologist assigned to the team. Could that ind. neurologist be in on the scam? Does he/she live and work in the KC area? Is he/she a Chiefs fan that would like to see Mahomes play? Are they unscrupulous with a disregard for the code of ethics they swore to uphold as a medical professional? Who knows. I'll suggest the ind. neurologist will do what is right, and if he/she sees that it is not, Mahomes will not be cleared to play. If he is cleared to play, as mentioned before, he is going to have a very unusual week of partial practice which has to benefit the Bills to some degree. He is also putting himself in danger of getting another concussion by playing so soon. The Bills should send everyone early in the game and try to get him removed from the game. Edited January 18, 2021 by Nextmanup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said: Per a report out of KC that was just reported on WGR. So if this report is correct Mahomes will be playing on Sunday. No links yet. I'm sure he does have a pinched nerve. I've suffered from a pinch nerve in my neck that is re-occurring for almost 20 years now...The pain is intense...Literally the worst pain I've experienced at times. Never once did I get woozy, weak kneed, or almost pass out though...He was concussed... 😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 If by some miracle Mahomes does play our defense should know that if anyone even breathes on him hard a flag is being thrown. I feel like the officials are going to make this game one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I'm expecting Mahomes to play and be fine. I know if Josh Allen got knocked woozy and the AFC Championship game was coming up, we'd all expect him to be out there, or at least do everything in his power to be out there. By Sunday eve, I think Mahomes' toe will be more of an issue for him than his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I'm of the crowd that would rather face Mahomes than Henne. That way, if we win, there will be no excuses like, "Oh, well if the Chiefs had Mahomes.." blah, blah, blah. Nah, I want us to whoop that with Patrick taking the snaps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I’m not a neurologist, he was concussed. he will be fine physically Saturday. Brain is foggy for sure—best not change his $400M investments or will this week!! —bet his mind is just rubble today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 bring on Mahomes!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 We keep reading about average time for players 19 days, and 7 days for QBs (which is absolutely wild btw). But the NFL does not give any actual time table for the protocols, which is both not surprising and surprising at the same time. All the league says is you have to run through each step and can't skip any steps. You would think that given the 5 step process, any step should come no sooner than 24 hours, right? Or could a player clear phase 2 and 3 on the same day? When I lived at the Olympic Training Center rule of thumb was basically to take inventory two days later after adding activity. So when I broke my rib, I biked a lot and did all my core work. But when I added running, I would go run and it was OK to be a little sore that day or the next, but it was day 2 post activity that was important. You had to be 100% on day 2. That would indicate that any soreness was something that my body was not overcoming with standard rest, ice, and some time on the physio table. It was an actual set back and you would have to shut back down for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, zow2 said: I'm expecting Mahomes to play and be fine. I know if Josh Allen got knocked woozy and the AFC Championship game was coming up, we'd all expect him to be out there, or at least do everything in his power to be out there. By Sunday eve, I think Mahomes' toe will be more of an issue for him than his head. When you get a concussion do you really have any control over getting yourself right to play? I will always be on the side of player safety so if Allen could not play then that’s that. Frank Reich would have to man up and get us a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, H2o said: I'm of the crowd that would rather face Mahomes than Henne. That way, if we win, there will be no excuses like, "Oh, well if the Chiefs had Mahomes.." blah, blah, blah. Nah, I want us to whoop that with Patrick taking the snaps. I don't care if Henne does start. Who starts for who doesn't mean a thing as far as the bottom line goes. Sure, if we beat Mahomes, then yeah, it'll be nice to know we beat Mahomes. But that won't stop the excuses for Mahomes, and yeah it's a double standard. No one excused Allen playing hurt in week 6 except maybe us Bills fans, but the narrative after beating a banged up Mahomes in the end will be about the same as beating Henne. To me, a win is a win, let em say what they want. Bills are SB bound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I agree with those that say Mahomes will play and that is what I would like to see. I want Josh to face off against Mahomes and win. We want to beat the best at their best. It would be great to win a game for the ages. We have the firepower and the coaching to go toe to toe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Mahomes is 100% playing, but how banged up will he be? A pinched nerve and a foot injury even if both are mild is going to impact him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 If Chiefs say Mahomes is Ok then there are no excuses when they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Since1981 said: I’m not a neurologist, he was concussed. he will be fine physically Saturday. Brain is foggy for sure—best not change his $400M investments or will this week!! —bet his mind is just rubble today. There is no way to say how well he is doing or will be doing. He clearly had a concussion IMO. So, he could be feeling fine today, wake up tomorrow, and be depressed and dizzy all day long. His symptoms could remain constant, or be sporadic, for months. Or not. I quoted a study done in another post that said the median time out for a QB on the protocol was 7 days, as measured over a 4 year period of time I believe. That's the median, so it means some were shorter but some were much longer than 7 days. Just now, Max Fischer said: If Chiefs say Mahomes is Ok then there are no excuses when they lose. How about the independent neurologist who has to clear Mahomes after the Chiefs say he is OK? How does that figure into your analysis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just had someone tell me it was reported he wouldn’t play- went to find said report and found nothing. Now I hate that guy. my guess is he was taking about the report from yesterday’s game that he was out the remainder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I’m telling you, yes the hit brought about an issue. with the amount of pain on his face after hurting his foot, I think the team just thought it was safer to keep him out. He’d be listed in the concussion protocol even though they knew it was minor and there would no mention of his foot..... Anyone here a word about his foot? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: How about the independent neurologist who has to clear Mahomes after the Chiefs say he is OK? How does that figure into your analysis? I have no idea what this means. "My analysis?" I'll check my calendar, but I don't believe I was consulted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Sure, he may have had a pinched nerve, but that's almost certainly not the cause of his unsteadiness after the play. Just my $0.02 (which is less than my hourly rate). Edited January 18, 2021 by Rubes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Hutz Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: On the Telecast they said Mahomes was out because of a concussion. Not sure how that can be changed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercrw Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 If it is a pinched nerve.. depending on where it is the loss of strength can be devastating. I had one in my neck from weightlifting and lost all power on the right side of my upper body for nearly 6 months and it took years to get it back to where it once was. I could not even lift a peanut bar jar for months... It takes really long for nerves to repair themselves even with the best treatments avail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Credit that DB for executing the quickest ever guillotine choke submission in NFL history 🏆 Mahomes was total Mr McGoo there after the play. Out on his feet. No way he didn’t sustain a concussion, IMO. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, mattynh said: It's a miracle! its baloney! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Silvercrw said: If it is a pinched nerve.. depending on where it is the loss of strength can be devastating. I had one in my neck from weightlifting and lost all power on the right side of my upper body for nearly 6 months and it took years to get it back to where it once was. I could not even lift a peanut bar jar for months... It takes really long for nerves to repair themselves even with the best treatments avail. I pinched my ulnar nerve sleeping once. I lost almost complete use of my entire right hand, and totally lost all feeling and motor skills in my middle, ring, and pinky finger. It took months to get it all back. Which was especially frustrating as a righty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliBills Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Are a lot of you secretly hoping it was a concussion so he might not play because you are scared to play against him? lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I don't think your head needs to strike anything to have your brain slam in the inside of your skull. If you crack a whip, it doesn't need to actually strike an object for the 'crack' to occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I remember Mike Tyson pinching Evander Holyfield’s ear nerve. It happens. atta boy leonardo love it hahahaaa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, CaliBills said: Are a lot of you secretly hoping it was a concussion so he might not play because you are scared to play against him? lol Again, all this "pinched nerve" nonsense is coming from some flak reporter that Chris Jones scolding out previously. Mahomes is still in the concussion protocol, they don't put you in that for a pinched nerve, unless you have conclusion symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 He looked like a Weeble Wobbling around. Thats usually not a pinched nerve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: There is no way to say how well he is doing or will be doing. He clearly had a concussion IMO. So, he could be feeling fine today, wake up tomorrow, and be depressed and dizzy all day long. His symptoms could remain constant, or be sporadic, for months. Or not. I quoted a study done in another post that said the median time out for a QB on the protocol was 7 days, as measured over a 4 year period of time I believe. That's the median, so it means some were shorter but some were much longer than 7 days. How about the independent neurologist who has to clear Mahomes after the Chiefs say he is OK? How does that figure into your analysis? the NFL has a five step program that the player has to go through as outlined in this picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliBills Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, MasterStrategist said: Again, all this "pinched nerve" nonsense is coming from some flak reporter that Chris Jones scolding out previously. Mahomes is still in the concussion protocol, they don't put you in that for a pinched nerve, unless you have conclusion symptoms. Any dizziness shown like that which occurs from a player during a play will be always considered a concussion and the player will always be placed in such to determine if it was. They can't simply put a player in it, then immediately take him out regardless of the initial diagnosis. You can call it nonsense all you want, but you, and no one on this board, knows if it was an actual concussion or pinch nerve. The only persons that know are mahomes, the doctors treating him, and certain staff members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: While I'm not a doctor I have heard many times about the link between trapped nerve and getting winded with wobbly legs. This totally normal medical phenomenon can occur with greater frequency in the run up to a championship game. This was a concussion per this sports doctor and anyone saying it wasn't is being disingenuous. I would also point to the fact that Mahomes is STILL in the protocol per the coach https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-coach-andy-reid-says-patrick-mahomes-still-in-concussion-protocol Edited January 18, 2021 by ndirish1978 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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