Mark Vader Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 17 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: My favorite off season move would be to draft Zaven Collins, Asante Samuel and Charlie Kolar in that order Intriguing choices. Do you think Samuel is a realistic option for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, Magox said: Yes they have, but there are some tough decisions coming up such as Daryl Williams and Milano. These guys will most likely command over $10M a year. True. I've read somewhere that Milano wants to be here for his career, so I think they could keep him for < $10m. As I mentioned, I think Feliciano is a priority given that he is a poster boy for "the process," and he can play all three interior positions well. Signing Milano and Feliciano would leave Williams out of the mix, unless they made some other surprising move? I think OL is where the most difficult decisions will be. I think Boettger has solidified the LG spot. Ethan-iP suggested Morse as a possible casualty, especially given his concussion history. Would they let Morse go and put Feliciano at C? Do they think Ford can play RT? Two possible combos: 1) Dawkins, Boettger, Morse, Feliciano, Ford; or 2) Dawkins, Boettger, Feliciano, Ford, Williams.....? These questions will have to be addressed after they win the Super Bowl... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 18 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: Ertz will be 31 and has looked slow this season. Someone will pay him given that there aren't 32 good pass-catching TEs in the league but I hope it's not us. Gesicki would be great. Can we sign Julie and let the Eagles keep Zach? 7 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Intriguing choices. Do you think Samuel is a realistic option for us? I read this and thought, "Yeah isn't he like retired by now?" Then I realized it was his kid. I will now go back to my rocking chair and resume yelling at neighborhood children. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Get used to the life we live where we don’t overpay running backs and go by committee. It’s the right thing to do and the fiscally responsible thing to not sink huge assets into that position. We are 13-3 remember, and this Chiefs are 14-2. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 19 hours ago, Adamb412 said: I know we are humming along but I think in the off season there is a few upgrades we have to make and here is what I think we can do Zach ertz Im not sure what his deal is but he is obviously talented and I think he would take our offense to the next level. NY Giants Look I don't know what the giants are doing but I propose this Singletary and our 1st round pick for Saquon. Obviously Saquon would be a huge upgrade and we have Zack moss and other depth at RB. I think they would listen... Thoughts? You've done too many trades on Madden. Giants are not trading Barkley, and more importantly...no way Beane gives up a first for a RB coming off an ACL tear and 1 year from a big contract. Ertz is a real possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Honestly this year they need nothing from FA except depth. If they want to upgrade a position(TE or DE) they need to do it through the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Intriguing choices. Do you think Samuel is a realistic option for us? According to the draft experts, yes. He projects to more of a slot type CB because of his height (5'10"). My worry is Zaven Collins. I'm hoping he slides down due to teams needing QBs, OL, EDGE, CBs, WRs. All the experts have Micah Parsons and Owosu ahead of him but I'm imaging 6'4" 260 next to Tremaine Edmunds. The dude can move at that size. He'd be able to take on linemen against the run and can cover. Fun fact, Collins was a QB in high school 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I like Feliciano and think he is a good guy and a solid lineman, but I think he is overrated by this board. If we pay him 8M+ a year like some want to and lose Williams, I think we will regret it. He is a solid guard, but should not be too highly paid. Guards can be found, and are not worth paying a premium for. Just look at Boettger, who was an undrafted free agent and has done pretty well. We also have Cody Ford, who the Bills seem to love for some reason despite underwhelming play. Ford at RT was a disaster, and if he is going to be in the lineup it would be a lot better if he was at guard. I would much rather extend Daryl Williams at 11-12M a year, because losing him leaves a much bigger hole. He has done a great job this year, he should definitely be the priority over Feliciano. We also definitely need to bring back Milano, as long as his contract isn't too crazy. I think we will cut ties with John Brown to save money, which is unfortunate, and we will have to replace him somehow. Could Kenny Stills be an option to replace him on the cheap? I think we also have to cut 2 of Jefferson, Addison, and Butler due to their salaries and meh performance, and will need to find replacements for them. Hopefully this can be done with some lower level free agency signings or the draft. I'm very excited for the offseason (after our long playoff run), I think we can make a great team even better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 For the first time ever as a Bills fan in January, I'm not even thinking about the offseason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Potential moves that I see. Cuts or Contract Reno's: Star - though 2022 may be more likely Morse - Injury history, out in 2021 w $10M+ savings Addison - Out in 2021 w $10M+ savings J Brown - $10M savings - odd man out? Hughes - Out in 2021 w nearly $10M savings Butler - Out in 2021 w nearly $8M savings Jefferson - Out in 2021 w nearly $8M savings Not Resigning Murphy - Done deal Kroft - Done deal Nsekhe - Likely gone. May be back cheap. Milano - Big ?. Dont think Bills offer a big contract but someone else may be willing to. D Williams - Looking for big $? McK - Crowded room. Norman - Depends on $ Barkley - who knows Yeldon - Gone Resign A Roberts - See him resigned Feliciano - Q Spain like deal? Winters - Cheap deal. Boettger - Cheap deal Free Agents - With cuts could have more $ than we think Needs will likely be OL, TE, DL and always looking at DB's/LB's CB - Des King, M Hilton OL - Linsley (C), Mack (C), Moton (T) TE - Everett, McDonald, Cook Edge - V Miller, Griffen LB - Hewitt Draft OL, LB, DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) Didn't see this posted and this might be a good thread to do so: Random PFF prediction, but I find it interesting due to combination of reasonable guesses and total nonsense. As far as Bills are concerned, they have 5 players predicted to us: LB Matt Milano - 45/4 RT Daryl Williams - 31,5/3 CB Richard Sherman - 28/2 RB Chris Carson - 27/3 EDGE Trey Hendrickson 45/4 As for our guys, I think resigning Williams for 10,5 AAV would be great. Milano's numbers would be fine if he was healthy, and since often he is not, I hope they resign him for 32/4 or so. Sherman and Carson are as bad predictions as they come. I see zero chance that we sign any RB for 9M AAV, and I'd be shocked if we signed Sherman, let alone for 14M a year. As far as I understand we also don't have a cap space to do so unless we start cutting guys like Brown. Hendrickson I have no idea about but I doubt we will have cap space to sign another DE for 11M a year, even if we cut all Dlinemen we can. Edited January 6, 2021 by No_Matter_What Added Hendrickson, I missed him first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 6:45 AM, Seoulofstone said: It's a great year to play the comp picks game, with the cap freeze. People act like Milano , Williams and Feliciano are irreplaceable because they have been success stories. Milano is an oft injured 5th rnd LB, Williams is an oft injured 3rd rnd OL who has endured far more down than up seasons, and Feliciano I was pulled off a practice squad. I mean good luck to them, they will all deservedly get paid somewhere, but to me it screams sell high and replace in the draft. When will people trust the staff's ability to draft and develop? Some of these positions that you mention require continuity...You cannot just take a draft pick and put him there and hope everything remains same. I agree in principle your thoughts though. THe Bills should not fear about losing people in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 10 hours ago, ganesh said: Some of these positions that you mention require continuity...You cannot just take a draft pick and put him there and hope everything remains same. I agree in principle your thoughts though. THe Bills should not fear about losing people in FA In a perfect world I would keep them all. I agree that continuity is important especially on the OLine. But with that in mind, remember Feliciano missed the first half of the season, and Williams hasnt even been here a year. Just as you can't promise an adequate replacement, who is to say you can't draft a really good player? If we have a postseason run, their market will change, Williams becomes a $14 mill tackle, Feliciano a $7 mill guard. Milano has the athletic traits of a 5th rounder. He works well in this system, but he is an average run defender who misses tackles in the open. He's best as a cover defender. You can get the same player in the 3rd or 4th in Pete Werner. I get the attachment to the players. These guys have been fantastic for the Bills. I loved the story when Milano and Davis arranged for that kid to get the new blades. Their play has earned them the opportunity to score the biggest contract available and we should trust McB with the reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 2:41 PM, ngbills said: Potential moves that I see. Cuts or Contract Reno's: Star - though 2022 may be more likely Morse - Injury history, out in 2021 w $10M+ savings Addison - Out in 2021 w $10M+ savings J Brown - $10M savings - odd man out? Hughes - Out in 2021 w nearly $10M savings Butler - Out in 2021 w nearly $8M savings Jefferson - Out in 2021 w nearly $8M savings Not Resigning Murphy - Done deal Kroft - Done deal Nsekhe - Likely gone. May be back cheap. Milano - Big ?. Dont think Bills offer a big contract but someone else may be willing to. D Williams - Looking for big $? McK - Crowded room. Norman - Depends on $ Barkley - who knows Yeldon - Gone Resign A Roberts - See him resigned Feliciano - Q Spain like deal? Winters - Cheap deal. Boettger - Cheap deal Free Agents - With cuts could have more $ than we think Needs will likely be OL, TE, DL and always looking at DB's/LB's CB - Des King, M Hilton OL - Linsley (C), Mack (C), Moton (T) TE - Everett, McDonald, Cook Edge - V Miller, Griffen LB - Hewitt Draft OL, LB, DL The obvious cuts are D line since they are wildly overpaid in proportion to their production. But McD loves his DT rotation. I think Jefferson may be a casualty since his guaranteed money is mostly gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Can we wait until the offseason for this? Like, wait for a month 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 5:45 PM, Adamb412 said: I know we are humming along but I think in the off season there is a few upgrades we have to make and here is what I think we can do Zach ertz Im not sure what his deal is but he is obviously talented and I think he would take our offense to the next level. NY Giants Look I don't know what the giants are doing but I propose this Singletary and our 1st round pick for Saquon. Obviously Saquon would be a huge upgrade and we have Zack moss and other depth at RB. I think they would listen... Thoughts? I'm not sure if this is covered elsewhere, but Ertz's Cap hit would be around $12 million, and for me that's a hard pass - that's obviously in terms of a trade. Now, if the Eagles want to eat ~$7 million and cut him, then the Bills could sign him to a FA contract for roughly ~$3 million / AAV for a couple years, but that's the ceiling in my mind. Honestly, I don't even know that I'd want the Bills to sign him for that or maybe at all. People often forget it takes time for a TE to develop, and Knox is right on that development curve. Knox's third year should be a big step forward, but given how raw he was, I'd say his 4th and final year on the Rookie deal is when we see Knox's true potential. That in mind, I'd Draft a TE in the 3rd or 4th round again and let them develop as well since Knox should be trending up (as just stated) and it keeps the spending elsewhere, i.e. the Offensive Line since FA money will be tight. Moreover, Ertz playing a Kroft type role doesn't seem to be the kind of thing he'd be looking for since he's at the beginning of the end for his career and would want to revive it somewhere that he can play a more prominent role. Honestly, depending on what the Pats do at QB and if the Eagles cut him, that's a place that would make sense. Use of the position in a McDaniel's system with most likely a young, developing QB would make sense. Several other places come to mind as well. Here's the link to the Ertz contract for point of reference: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/zach-ertz-12316/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) If anyone actually watched Zach Ertz play this year, you would see that he's not the same player. He's more "name" than anything else at this point. He's also still under contract for 2021 and is not currently a free agent. Sure, the Eagles will likely cut him, but until that happens, I'm not sure why we are speculating about signing him. This is like that thread the other day where someone suggested signing Kareem Hunt even though he is under contract through the 2022 season. Does no one bother to do a tiny bit of research before throwing ideas out there? Regarding Saquon, there is no point talking about it. The proposed trade doesn't make any sense and the Giants would never do that. I don't even think Madden would allow that. Edited January 7, 2021 by Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 8:22 PM, hemma said: We are the #1 spender on the DL [51 mil] in all the NFL and 3rd with the OL. Beane might need to do some magic on the DL. Not sure it’s quite living up to the bill, especially with no wiggle room for next year. No complaint from me about the ‘return’ on the OL [36 mil]. Been solid. yeah the DL has been a bit disappointing for the spend. But, Bean did bring in quite a few people to reach that number, and they have been solid. The OL job was amazing. I'd like to somehow shed some DL spend and bring in a pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I think the Bills will make it a priority to find a way to bend the rules and get Christian Wade a 3rd year on the International Player Practice Squad exempt list. That way, we are ensured of one more glorious year of, “ I hope they activate Wade and play him in this meaningless season finale,” threads that we’ve all come to love so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: Didn't see this posted and this might be a good thread to do so: Random PFF prediction, but I find it interesting due to combination of reasonable guesses and total nonsense. As far as Bills are concerned, they have 5 players predicted to us: LB Matt Milano - 45/4 RT Daryl Williams - 31,5/3 CB Richard Sherman - 28/2 RB Chris Carson - 27/3 EDGE Trey Hendrickson 45/4 As for our guys, I think resigning Williams for 10,5 AAV would be great. Milano's numbers would be fine if he was healthy, and since often he is not, I hope they resign him for 32/4 or so. Sherman and Carson are as bad predictions as they come. I see zero chance that we sign any RB for 9M AAV, and I'd be shocked if we signed Sherman, let alone for 14M a year. As far as I understand we also don't have a cap space to do so unless we start cutting guys like Brown. Hendrickson I have no idea about but I doubt we will have cap space to sign another DE for 11M a year, even if we cut all Dlinemen we can. I love seeing Williams and Milano back. Sherman is interesting. I haven't watched him much this year, but he does not appear to have played well when I did see him. Perhaps a better fit in this system. I like the Carson addition. Hendrickson would be a really nice addition, albeit hopefully not a one year wonder this season. Edited January 7, 2021 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: yeah the DL has been a bit disappointing for the spend. But, Bean did bring in quite a few people to reach that number, and they have been solid. The OL job was amazing. I'd like to somehow shed some DL spend and bring in a pass rusher. I think Butler and Jefferson have to go. Both are overpaid and have done little. Justin Zimmer has outplayed them both for a fraction of the price. I know McDermott likes to rotate and that they all have different roles, but we might be able to get better production for a lot cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, MWK said: I think Butler and Jefferson have to go. Both are overpaid and have done little. Justin Zimmer has outplayed them both for a fraction of the price. I know McDermott likes to rotate and that they all have different roles, but we might be able to get better production for a lot cheaper. I agree. We likely need to do some restructuring (hopefully) or releasing of some of the DL players. Bean's got an interesting offseason ahead of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFreddy22 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Off season used to be my favorite part about being a Bills fan... Thats no longer the case I cant get my focus off anything but the Colts this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, MWK said: I think Butler and Jefferson have to go. Both are overpaid and have done little. Justin Zimmer has outplayed them both for a fraction of the price. I know McDermott likes to rotate and that they all have different roles, but we might be able to get better production for a lot cheaper. Putting butler in on running downs has directly helped our run defense. HE is the closest thing to a "Star" we have on the team right now. Zimmer is a penetrating 3. Doesn't work without a man eating 1. especially in a wide or over front like we play. Edited January 7, 2021 by Chris farley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I know we all love Milano, but if it means losing an OL or Offensive Weapon, the answer should reside in this... Every mock draft I've seen has 3 stud linebackers going right at the end of the First Round. Even if we win the Super Bowl, we will be in position to draft a playmaking LB at 32. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I think AJ Green comes here on a cheap deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, rayray808 said: I think AJ Green comes here on a cheap deal It would have to be very cheap, he did not look good this year. He even took all of 2019 off and it didn’t help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 7:12 AM, maryland-bills-fan said: that McCoy guy worked out And, for pass rushers instead of FA why not just find another Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes trade—now that was a very sweet move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) this offseason should be pretty easy, depth at LB, CB (#2 CB?, dont dislike Levi, but def look for an upgrade there), beef up the OLine and find Jerry's eventual replacement (not that hes really slowed down any, guys dont last forever tho) if thats Epeneza, good, not sold on him yet tho. need a good run stuffing DT as well. with a bit of offensive line help i believe we have the RBs currently on the roster to get the run game back on track. Edited January 8, 2021 by bigduke6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 13 hours ago, rayray808 said: I think AJ Green comes here on a cheap deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 14 hours ago, rayray808 said: I think AJ Green comes here on a cheap deal Why? Don't need an often injured, older receiver. Rather spend in other areas? Also, who is let go? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 11:18 PM, Norcalbillsfan said: Agree for O line, so many teams wonder why their star QBs regress, when they let key stones on the Oline walk. Agreed. The only way Allen regresses is if he loses his pass pro. They've given him more than ample time, and I'm sure he's grown accustomed to it. Not to mention the chance he gets injured increases greatly if he's facing heat, and trying to make broken plays happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 10:15 PM, ctk232 said: I think you see Murphy leave and a few others cut - I can’t see an off-season where they don’t prioritize re-signing Williams. Bense’s repeatedly put a premium on protecting Josh, and Williams is a huge reason why our pass pro has been exceptional this year. I see us losing him only to a team that overpays, but he’d also be hard-pressed to skip town on an emerging perennial contender. After that, Feliciano, Milano, McKenzie in that order. I’d also be surprised to see Roberts go - think they give him another year given the importance Farwell put on him and Beane’s commitment to building out ST. He may draw the line at Taiwan Jones and who knows, I think Antonio Williams bests Yeldon for a line-up spot. Barkley shouldn’t cost much at all, unless they think Fromm is really okay to fill that role. Marlowe may be on the out looking in, but the hope is Beane is staggering contracts and some guys are more willing to stay on an up and coming team. Can’t forget Diggs likely being reworked too, but the hope has always been to build through the draft, and likely we see OL and Defense this year depending on how the first ~20 picks go. It’ll be an interesting offseason to follow, but I do see Beane staying true to his stated goal of protecting and supporting Josh first and foremost. I get it, it was Miami, but given the flat/reduced cap this year if it’s between Robert’s or McKenzie, I am going with McKenzie all day long. Backs up an aging (but not old) Beasley well and can double on ST. Robert’s is one dimensional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Mango said: I get it, it was Miami, but given the flat/reduced cap this year if it’s between Robert’s or McKenzie, I am going with McKenzie all day long. Backs up an aging (but not old) Beasley well and can double on ST. Robert’s is one dimensional. Long term? Totally - but I think there are other guys out first before Roberts that allows him to stay next year. I’d be curious whether he and McKenzie split PR/KR duties or not if that ends up being the case. Either way, I like having these problems rather than the usual “wtf are we doing on ST this year” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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