DollaBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 When McDermott came to Buffalo, it felt like a breath of fresh air. He brought discipline, a no-nonsense attitude and a fundamentals first approach to the organization that had just weathered horrific coaches. There can be absolutely no denying McDermott has the capacity to coach players up and make them play better, both on a technical individual level and as a member of a larger team. But what bothers me most about McD is that on Sunday(or, game day) he lacks killer instinct and has sub par game management/in-game adjustments. Are we stuck with a coach that cant rally the troops and deliver in big games? Where is the urgency from a defensive coach when his unit gives up 500+ yards? Where is the disciplinarian/no-nonsense McD who tells Poyer "that's not you, you can lead these men" after he mentally lapses on that penalty? How concerned are you guys about this? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) Figured out why I feel depressed as a fan currently... Sean McDermott is not good enough. Belichick Tomlin Vrabel Reid Payton Shanahan These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform. McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future. And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all. Edited November 16, 2023 by Giuseppe Tognarelli 4 5 14 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogham26 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 its his 4th season as a head coach and hes 3 out of 4 playoff seasons with the buffalo bills who couldnt even truly compete for the playoffs for 17 years before him. id like to think this year he gets his first win and hopefully more. Mcdermott is the least of my worries right now. 33 4 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Tomlin, Vrabel, Payton, and Shanahan have two SB wins between the four of them. Not sure why you're putting those guys in the same category as Belichick and Reid, and I'm also not sure why you think McD is somehow on a lower rung than them. I mean, Tomlin is like the platonic form of "good but not great." 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Vrabel an elite coach? The guy who got pantsed by Zack Taylor? Come on now. 7 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Don't worry, McDermott will prove you wrong. We got this. Let's Go Buffalo!!!!! 5 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 There's zero evidence that this is the case... I think he's a great HC. We'll see how the playoffs go. Enjoy 8-3 1st place in AFC East. There's no reason to feel depressed about this team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Belichick Tomlin Vrabel Reid Payton Shanahan These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform. McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future. And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all. Hey man-- you need to keep your chin up. We are a great team, and McD is a great coach. If you aren't enjoying this season's success, then you're wasting away prime "fan" years. As to the coaches you identify, it has nothing to do with coaching. None of those guys win their SB without superstar QB play. Our chances of a Super Bowl rest solely on Josh Allen's hands. QB's win Super Bowls. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 It is just nonsense. McDermott has more wins against teams currently with winning records than any other coach this season. The three teams he has lost to are 24-9.... pretty sure that is the best win % of any collection of victorious opponents too. If he loses again in the first round of the playoffs there will be a legitimate reason to ask if that is his ceiling as a coach but so far this regular season he is doing as good a job as any coach in the NFL and I include Mike Tomlin and the 10-0 Steelers in that. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Vrabel an elite coach? The guy who got pantsed by Zack Taylor? Come on now. The reason I say this about Vrabel is he clearly motivates that team to just come out and stomp people semi-regularly. They come up big in big games, and they just crush teams sometimes. McDermott's Bills do not do this. 3 minutes ago, BuffaloFan68 said: Don't worry, McDermott will prove you wrong. We got this. Let's Go Buffalo!!!!! I hope you're right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 That’s a you problem bud 9 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoon Blues Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) I feel like you are the type of guy that if someone gave you 900$ you would be upset that they didn't give you 1000$ Edited November 30, 2020 by Lagoon Blues 7 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: It is just nonsense. McDermott has more wins against teams currently with winning records than any other coach this season. The three teams he has lost to are 24-9.... pretty sure that is the best win % of any collection of victorious opponents too. If he loses again in the first round of the playoffs there will be a legitimate reason to ask if that is his ceiling as a coach but so far this regular season he is doing as good a job as any coach in the NFL and I include Mike Tomlin and the 10-0 Steelers in that. The other massively encouraging thing about McD is that he has shown time and time again the willingness to grow and change (ie. data analysis based game day decision making, cutting the chord early on a "mistake" player, ). He is developing just like our QB is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Wasn't Tomlin a so-so coach that many former Steelers wanted fired a couple of years ago? Wasn't Reid the guy who was a TERRIBLE in game coach who couldn't win the game? Wasn't McVay the future of the NFL who was instantly the best coach in the league (so much better than everyone else that anyone who had once had lunch with the guy should be given a head coaching job immediately)? Coaching evaluation takes a long time...and certainly McDermott has shown enough to warrant that longer look. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) Flip an Ottoman, it works for me .. Edited November 30, 2020 by HOUSE 1 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: The reason I say this about Vrabel is he clearly motivates that team to just come out and stomp people semi-regularly. They come up big in big games, and they just crush teams sometimes. They crush teams sometimes? So do the Atlanta Falcons should Raheem Morris be in your elite category too? 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 This was a week where obviously the team felt it was time to push the run game forward, and stick with it. In weeks past, if the run game wasn’t working, we moved away and let Josh throw it all over. I think it was good coaching this week to stay with it, as it needs to get going if we are to make noise in the playoffs. How many times do we need to apologize for winning every week? This is the first time the Chargers have lost by more than one score this year. I understand some frustration with some second half play calling, and a lack of aggression in the 3rd quarter, but if the PLAYERS on the field don’t turn the ball over 3 times in 7 plays, the score line could have been much different. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Vrabel, lol thats a good one. Look on the bright side pal, it could have been Anthony Lynn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Vrabel is not an elite coach. Shanahan is a work in progress, and the jury is still out there as well. Might as well include McVay who just went to a Super Bowl, and who was also out-coached by McD this year. The other guys have all been Head Coaches for over a decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: The reason I say this about Vrabel is he clearly motivates that team to just come out and stomp people semi-regularly. They come up big in big games, and they just crush teams sometimes. Vrabel is a meathead. He inherited a playoff team. He then has two 9-7 seasons, and 1 playoff appearance. Yeah, the Titans won some playoff games last year, but I think the jury is still out on him being a great coach (or even a good one). If you recall, they couldn't fill their stadium for half the year, until they went on a late-season run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Belichick Tomlin Vrabel Reid Payton Shanahan These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform. McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future. And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all. you just felt the need to add to all the great posts/threads today, eh. Edited November 30, 2020 by A Firm Tree Does Not Fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 McDermott is a better coach than he was in 2017. He has some really good coordinators around him as well. Andy Reid is a HOF coach. Sean Payton is likely a HOF coach. Belicheat is a HOF coach. Tomlin is a HOF coach. Vrabel is alright, but the jury is still out on him. He's also quite an arrogant son of a biscuit. Shanahan has had his hands in teams coughing up leads in two SB's, one the biggest debacle of all time in SB history. I like the guys we have and hope they stay together for at least two more years to see this thing through. We WILL be bringing a Lombardi home to Buffalo if that happens within that time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lagoon Blues said: I feel like you are the type of guy that if someone gave you 900$ you would be upset that they didn't give you 1000$ Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Belichick Tomlin Vrabel Reid Payton Shanahan These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform. McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future. And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all. gene1973 is the only poster that reacted positively to your post. just consider that for a minute. 3 12 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 You sound depressed go get help buddy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Belichick Tomlin Vrabel Reid Payton Shanahan These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform. McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future. And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Belichick Tomlin Vrabel Reid Payton Shanahan These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform. McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future. And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all. I think you need to take a break from football. How about you draw a nice warm bath, pick up that neglected collection of Sylvia Plath, pop a few sedatives and drift off into to a deep long sleep. Edited November 30, 2020 by Jauronimo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, teef said: gene1973 is the only poster that reacted positively to your post. just consider that for a minute. I honestly expected only negative reactions, so I'm okay with this ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I think you need to take a break from football. How about you draw a nice warm bath, pick up that neglected collection of Sylvia Plath, pop a few sedatives and drift off to sleep. I believe you would be held responsible if he does this. You better hope he hates baths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Some people aren't happy unless they have a reason to complain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I believe you would be held responsible if he does this. You better hope he hates baths. He's a classic across the tracks, cry for help type guy. Just wants attention. Not a true down down the street , close the deal type guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I believe you would be held responsible if he does this. You better hope he hates baths. I love baths, but my tub doesn't hold water. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 They say the same thing about every coach until they win the SB. They said that about Reid for years, until he found Mahomes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Beast said: Some people aren't happy unless they have a reason to complain. Ehh, that's not me. I just think I'm right. I suppose we will find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Belichick Tomlin Vrabel Reid Payton Shanahan These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform. McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future. And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all. If McD is the weak link (I'm using Dungy as being fired as HC from TB as a guide), and he's replaced by a HC who can get the Bills to a SB and win it, then one would think that this is a good problem to have, no? The Bills are good, friend. They're seemingly not SB good, but definitely good. Let's cross the HC bridge if we come to it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I love baths, but my tub doesn't hold water. 😂 7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I get the sentiment. McDermott inspires very little confidence when you hear him speak. He doesn't appear to be a guy who can match wits with a good coach, let alone outfox one. I'm also of the belief that Bills' ceiling is capped with him and that does lead to a certain apathy. But worse coaches than him have gotten lucky here and there. It really all rests on how good Allen can be and how much talent Beane can surround him with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: He's a classic across the tracks, cry for help type guy. Just wants attention. Not a true down down the street , close the deal type guy. Do you think he plays a small violin after Bills games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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