BillsIsrael Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 In the Week 8 NFL rankings on SI.Com https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/rick-gosselins-week-8-nfl-rankings-all-afc-at-the-top In the Bills ranking 8. Buffalo Bills. (9) The Bills dealt with Patrick Mahomes this season. They dealt with Aaron Donald and Derrick Henry. But the one person they cannot deal with is referee Carl Cheffers. Buffalo has drawn the Cheffers crew for two of its seven games. He issued the Bills 10 penalties for 56 yards in the Tennessee game, then assessed 11 penalties for 106 yards last weekend in the Jets game. That’s 21 penalties in two games. The Bills have had only two double-digit penalty games all season. Their AFC East rival, the Patriots, have been penalized just 15 times in six games this season. Not following close enough to verify this - but is it really just blaming the refs or bad coaching? If it was bad coaching wouldn't it show up more in other games also? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillsIsrael said: Not following close enough to verify this - but is it really just blaming the refs or bad coaching? If it was bad coaching wouldn't it show up more in other games also? I don't really know about this but from what you posted I'd say their showing a distinction for them being heavily penalized by a specific crew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 We've seen some bad call, but those happen every game for virtually every team. I don't feel like the refs favor any teams. Sometimes specific players are favored (Tom Brady) or unfavored (Jerry Hughes), but I feel like the refs are happy to screw any team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 i just figured the play has been sloppy, hence the increase in penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Both those bad games were on the road. It has been proven calls go against you on the road. But with no fans it is hard to determine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 That snippet reads like something you would see here at TBD, like a Bills fan wrote it. Blame it on a certain ref crew. So the Pats have 15 total penalties and we have 21 in just 2 games. Who cares? The Pats are 2-4 and we are 5-2, I wil take the penalties and the record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I don't notice the refs unless they are clearly making BAD calls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) Bills got that call vs Rams that literally changed the outcome. Now I believe Josh threw it there because they were yelling hold, but I do t think the flag was out yet. Edited October 28, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Bills got that call vs Rams that literally changed the outcome. true but in reality a "makeup call " for that absurd "interception" that was called earlier on us. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 That PI call on Micah still pisses me off 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, mjt328 said: I don't notice the refs unless they are clearly making BAD calls. Like the ghost Illegal Formation that called back the Davis TD, or where Beasley gets shoved out of bounds by the DB then they drop a flag for Illegal Touching (which was later picked up), or the awful DPI call that set them up for their TD. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, WMDman said: That PI call on Micah still pisses me off Was it pass interference? I thought it was obliteration of a defenseless receiver? i thought he tried to let up the second he saw the pass was incomplete. Tough call but he did make contact with Perrimans helmet and they’re gonna throw that flag every time when the player is destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) The Cheffers crew was the crew that gave the TITians an illegal forward pass when Tannehill was at least a yard past the LOS. Many of the penalties, like the PI on Hyde, the PI on Tre', etc. were bogus calls. That's not fanboy, that's looking at the tape. Above, @H2omentioned the bogus IF penalty that called back a TD, and the next play where Poole pushes Beasley OB and calls the illegal touch on Beasley, with no PI on Poole. By any objective measure, the Cheffers crew has been abysmal. Edited October 28, 2020 by Freddie's Dead 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: Was it pass interference? I thought it was obliteration of a defenseless receiver? i thought he tried to let up the second he saw the pass was incomplete. Tough call but he did make contact with Perrimans helmet and they’re gonna throw that flag every time when the player is destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, WMDman said: That PI call on Micah still pisses me off YES!!! That was absolutely effing NUTS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Bills got that call vs Rams that literally changed the outcome. Now I believe Josh threw it there because they were yelling hold, but I do t think the flag was out yet. An earlier call (INT which wasn't) and non-call (facemask on Donald on the play where Josh fumbled) helped the Rams' comeback immensely. The hit by Hyde is what they've been calling now. It sucks because what else are you supposed to do, but those are the rules. Edited October 28, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 It's pointless knowing how many penalties are called in these 2 games with this crew without knowing the rest. Week 1 (Jets): 7 for 80 yards Week 2 (Dolphins): 6 for 55 yards Week 3 (Rams): 5 for 55 yards Week 4 (Raiders): 5 for 81 yards Week 5 (Titans): 10 for 56 yards Week 6 (Chiefs): 4 for 39 yards Week 7 (Jets): 11 for 106 yards In addition, Info on Cheffers is needed. In 7 games, he leads all officials in calling 117 penalties. No other referee is above 100 (next closest in 96). I don't feel like digging into it deeper for his history, but suffice it to say that at a glance, Cheffers is always high up on the the list for most penalties called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: It's pointless knowing how many penalties are called in these 2 games with this crew without knowing the rest. Week 1 (Jets): 7 for 80 yards Week 2 (Dolphins): 6 for 55 yards Week 3 (Rams): 5 for 55 yards Week 4 (Raiders): 5 for 81 yards Week 5 (Titans): 10 for 56 yards Week 6 (Chiefs): 4 for 39 yards Week 7 (Jets): 11 for 106 yards In addition, Info on Cheffers is needed. In 7 games, he leads all officials in calling 117 penalties. No other referee is above 100 (next closest in 96). I don't feel like digging into it deeper for his history, but suffice it to say that at a glance, Cheffers is always high up on the the list for most penalties called. So you're telling me he likes being on TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Could be the team could be the ref crew. Doing limited research, I can see the Bills have 48 penalties. Fourth highest in the league. However 44% of them came in those two games with that crew. Also looking at crews Carl Cheffers crew is pretty flag happy. His crew has penalized 117 times. The next closest is 96. Lowest is 53 penalties and league average is 76 penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I think sometimes refs don't/do call penalties to allow someone else to figure it out. Specifically on TDs they'll call it a TD more often then not because know it will be reviewed up stairs to confirm/deny it. That said they do favor certain players IMO as how many times have we seen Josh get nailed with no call yet another QB like say Brady takes the same hit and gets a roughing the passer penalty etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I blame the refs for this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: That snippet reads like something you would see here at TBD, like a Bills fan wrote it. Blame it on a certain ref crew. So the Pats have 15 total penalties and we have 21 in just 2 games. Who cares? The Pats are 2-4 and we are 5-2, I wil take the penalties and the record. Exactly. There actually isn't much of a correlation between penalties and winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I normally enjoy blaming the refs. But as I recall, a lot of our penalties (at least in the Titans' game) were false starts and pre-snap penalties. Not sure you can blame the refs for those. The worst call this year was on the Kroft/phantom INT-- that still boggles my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsIsrael said: In the Week 8 NFL rankings on SI.Com https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/rick-gosselins-week-8-nfl-rankings-all-afc-at-the-top In the Bills ranking 8. Buffalo Bills. (9) The Bills dealt with Patrick Mahomes this season. They dealt with Aaron Donald and Derrick Henry. But the one person they cannot deal with is referee Carl Cheffers. Buffalo has drawn the Cheffers crew for two of its seven games. He issued the Bills 10 penalties for 56 yards in the Tennessee game, then assessed 11 penalties for 106 yards last weekend in the Jets game. That’s 21 penalties in two games. The Bills have had only two double-digit penalty games all season. Their AFC East rival, the Patriots, have been penalized just 15 times in six games this season. Not following close enough to verify this - but is it really just blaming the refs or bad coaching? If it was bad coaching wouldn't it show up more in other games also? IMHO, I thought officiating was questionable in the last three games . when the season started it seemed refreshing that officiating didnt seem an issue , but as the season wore on, more flags.. and at crucial times in the previous three games/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 45 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Bills got that call vs Rams that literally changed the outcome. Now I believe Josh threw it there because they were yelling hold, but I do t think the flag was out yet. That was also the game with the non-interception interception. The point could simply be there are poor officiating groups that overly insert themselves into games with an abundance of flags, which affects outcome regardless of who wins the game. The Bills games seem to have drawn the short-straw in regards to those crews. There have been a lot of ticky-tacky calls that have negated plays on either team where the announcers have been baffled either by the rule interpretation or that anything was called at all. Let's hope they change up the assignments a bit to a officiating crew that believes less is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, H2o said: Like the ghost Illegal Formation that called back the Davis TD, or where Beasley gets shoved out of bounds by the DB then they drop a flag for Illegal Touching (which was later picked up), or the awful DPI call that set them up for their TD. Exactly, these bad calls had a significant impact on the game. It isn't unusual for a team to have one a game but three is really poor. Teams don't generally go public with their officiating complaints but they do direct complaints internally to the league offices. Even so, I doubt the Bills complained due to the outcome of the game. It just doesn't seem like McD's style. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, NewEra said: Was it pass interference? I thought it was obliteration of a defenseless receiver? i thought he tried to let up the second he saw the pass was incomplete. Tough call but he did make contact with Perrimans helmet and they’re gonna throw that flag every time when the player is destroyed. I was talking about the PI call on Perriman that led to the jets first TD not the hit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WMDman said: I was talking about the PI call on Perriman that led to the jets first TD not the hit Ah ok. My bad Edited October 28, 2020 by NewEra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 BTW it's interesting that Rick Gosselin would bring it up unsolicitedly like that. I don't believe he's a Bills fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Was it pass interference? I thought it was obliteration of a defenseless receiver? i thought he tried to let up the second he saw the pass was incomplete. Tough call but he did make contact with Perrimans helmet and they’re gonna throw that flag every time when the player is destroyed. The earlier one near the EZ that gave the Jests a TD. 46 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I think sometimes refs don't/do call penalties to allow someone else to figure it out. Specifically on TDs they'll call it a TD more often then not because know it will be reviewed up stairs to confirm/deny it. John Brown says hi!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 refs gave us the Rams game, so no complaints from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: refs gave us the Rams game, so no complaints from me Really? The PI might of been a questionable call and maybe a little weak but the interception was 100% the wrong call. 2 plays later the Rams got into our end zone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, BananaB said: Really? The PI might of been a questionable call and maybe a little weak but the interception was 100% the wrong call. 2 plays later the Rams got into our end zone. Yup. At-worst the call was illegal contact, which is still 1st down. The catch would have put the ball at the Rams' 41-yard line and the facemask on Donald would have put the ball on the Rams' 27-yard line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I just can't decide what I like better, whiny threads, excuse threads or sign or trade for crappy player threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 40 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. At-worst the call was illegal contact, which is still 1st down. The catch would have put the ball at the Rams' 41-yard line and the facemask on Donald would have put the ball on the Rams' 27-yard line. Don't forget that Angry Run got an OPI call on the "INT". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 4 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: It's pointless knowing how many penalties are called in these 2 games with this crew without knowing the rest. Week 1 (Jets): 7 for 80 yards Week 2 (Dolphins): 6 for 55 yards Week 3 (Rams): 5 for 55 yards Week 4 (Raiders): 5 for 81 yards Week 5 (Titans): 10 for 56 yards Week 6 (Chiefs): 4 for 39 yards Week 7 (Jets): 11 for 106 yards In addition, Info on Cheffers is needed. In 7 games, he leads all officials in calling 117 penalties. No other referee is above 100 (next closest in 96). I don't feel like digging into it deeper for his history, but suffice it to say that at a glance, Cheffers is always high up on the the list for most penalties called. How many of these flags did this guy personally throw? Ref just announces penalties for the most part, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The officials in the NFL suck. The officials in the Raiders games made more bad calls than good calls and it went both ways. I believe the worst is Riverton, he is incompetent to the highest level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The officials in the NFL suck. The officials in the Raiders games made more bad calls than good calls and it went both ways. I believe the worst is Riverton, he is incompetent to the highest level. Still trying to figure out the illegal formation penalty on the Gabriel’s td. I see nothing on the film and I’ve heard 3 analysts say they can’t figure it out either. The thing that really pissed me of about the NYJ games are the two flags flown against us that were literally thrown 10 seconds after the play was over. It’s like he was contemplating throwing it than said sure- what the Fck is up with that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: How many of these flags did this guy personally throw? Ref just announces penalties for the most part, no? His 'crew' if that wasn't clear. Yes, the crew has some changes every year. The same you'd say McDermott's teams take a lot of penalties despite they're being different players. The coach doesn't get the penalty, but if his players change and the result remains the same then it's safe to say there's an influence. So he (and his crew) are consistently at the top of the league in number of flags. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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