YattaOkasan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Gene1973 said: Go back and look at some of the Patriot's games from the mid 2000's. Belichick at one point was being criticized for running up the score, that's where "we play to win" came from. So you want revenge for that? I just want a W so they can sit at 2-5. I found a win probability chart from 2008. Up 2 scores in the 4th and you have a 90% WP. That seems significant to me that youre gonna win. I think your 5 min cut off is arbitrary (unless your willing to include smaller leads, i.e. the Dolphins game). http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2008/08/win-probability.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: No, not me, an earlier poster desired the Bills run up the score on them. While I would not mind that, it won't happen. K. If you think throwing with a >90% WP is not being conservative then I suggest we start thinking of McD as aggressive this year. Would agree with previous years we would be conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Carl Banks on WFAN making me feel good about this week...says SF did nothing fancy scheme or anything wise. Ran the same plays over and over, and the Pats just couldn't answer. Said it was the first time in years he saw so many NE guys just out of position and looking...badly prepared. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Don’t play man against Cam—that’s one thing he can beat. He’ll run and create offense with some matchups. Zone him; he isn’t going to pick you apart Hey I’ll call them bad when they’re bad. No issue with that... but to compare Buffalo’s relative suckitude to NE’s****** in losing 4 straight is misguided IMO. I think they are very comparable. Both teams should be better. Instead, both teams have sucked of late. Thus, the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) The Bills better be prepared for Cam Newton running and the Pats trying to bully us by running for over 200 yards. This is a classic strategy deployed around this time of year by Belichick. Insert 6 OL and 3TEs and run the ball down our throats. We must be up to the task. To counter we better have a lot of 6 DL fronts, with 3 LBs and 3 safeties. This is not a game we want to be embrassed physically. This is another test for the Bills in the AFCE. Can we out hit the bully? Edited October 26, 2020 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Jeff Garcia goes off on Cam Newton 😂😂😂 Good for Garcia...someone had to say it! Newton acts like he wants to be a runway model more than play football...🤣😂 Edited October 26, 2020 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Dr.Sack said: The Bills better be prepared for Cam Newton running and the Pats trying to bully us by running for over 200 yards. This is a classic strategy deployed around this time of year by Belichick. Insert 6 OL and 3TEs and run the ball down our throats. We must be up to the task. To counter we better have a lot of 6 DL fronts, with 3 LBs and 3 safeties. This is not a game we want to be embrassed physically. This is another test for the Bills in the AFCE. Can we out touch the bully? I think we sellout to stop the run, the opposite of the game plan against KC. Make Newton beat us through the air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Locomark Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: So this means that he will start the kid ..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Does the reporter really expect McD to give a definitive answer on the Monday as to whether Feliciano will be playing this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I so hope we play aggressive and get ourselves a 2 score lead early and then we can load up and force Cam to throw. These Pats are built like the old Bills were, once they are down 10 points they are done. Spread the field, let Josh run hog wild on their zones , throw a bunch of short passes to Cole and the TEs when BB blitzes because that is all he is going to do all game long.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CNYfan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Dane Jackson is a good tackler and good against the run. But another team may try to exploit his lack of speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Andre Roberts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Andre Roberts? I thought the same thing.... Wallace coming potentially coming back is a good thing to.. he was after all the #2 CB on the third best defense last year. Edited October 26, 2020 by gordong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: BB has outcoached the Bills for decades with Brady (I know Cassel in 2008). McDermott gets a bit of an edge knowing everything about Cam. This could help a lot with the Bills D against the Pats* O. I have big expectations on the Ds game plan against Cam. LB Copeland out is big loss for their Special Teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 If this is the last week to activate Feliciano it's probably going to happen don't know if that means he's playing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Andre Roberts? I think he meant Andre Smith LOL. That's a big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: He was more aggressive in the first 4 games, or rather he allowed Daboll to be more aggressive. However I suspect the fun is over, after the losses I think McDermott will show he has reverted. Next few games will prove this out IMO. You need to take into account how Our opponents started to play us.....with 2 deep safeties and giving us the short game. That’s why things have changed. Josh would still be throwing haymakers all over the field if teams were playing our WRs 1 on 1 with little help over the top. That’s not the case. They’re forcing us to nickel and dime them to death with hopes that Allen will make a mistake along the way. It’s worked when Allen tries to get aggressive and forces passes 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I think he meant Andre Smith LOL. That's a big mistake. He did... corrected it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Are we still only favored by 3.5 points? That's basically like saying the game is "even" which is a bit of backhand to the Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 If you add Cam Newton and Stidham's combined ratings yesterday, they posted a QBR of 7.5 and QB Rating of 78.9. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Check how left handed Patriots Passing offense has been the last two weeks. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/pass/new-england-patriots/season/6 almost like his throwing shoulder is hurt again. Edited October 26, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said: Agreed, think that's the ideal plan on defense. The one thing I will add to that is having a spy on Newton who is still a threat to run especially this year when he doesn't look comfortable throwing the ball. We need to take away Edelman and force Cam to beat us with his arm. From a personnel standpoint, I thought Vernon Butler has stepped up and begun to take over that 1-Tech role over the past couple games which is great to see (Zimmer has been good there at times as well). This is awesome for our defense for two reasons: 1) those guys provide more size and run stuff ability in the middle and 2) it allows Ed Oliver to play 3-Tech which is where he belongs and he can penetrate and blow up plays. I've seen a few people getting on Oliver's case this year, but other than a few games where he clearly wasn't healthy, I think he's had an excellent second season so far. His impact goes far beyond the stat sheet and I think more production is coming. I also like the juice that some of the younger guys have brought to the defense in recent weeks. Excited to see more from Epenesa, Zimmer, Dane Jackson, etc. Lastly, moving Jerry Hughes back to the LDE spot where he has played in past seasons has provided big returns already. Addison usually plays on the left too and started the season there, but I like the matchup of Hughes' speed and bend versus the opponents' right tackle more. I'm cautiously optimistic about our defense this week. Just hoping that Josh and our offense can level up over our past performances vs NE. He’s been struggling at 1 tech. Has played much better at 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: He’s been struggling at 1 tech. Has played much better at 3 Honest question...do you have stats handy for this (please and thanks)? My eyes have read it differently I guess...I know Butler can play both (seemingly all our current DTs can and I think that's played a part in the early season struggles), but I thought he was doing well at 1T and getting some push. Butler also has the size/stature to play 1T on paper compared to anyone else on the roster. Oliver and Jefferson are way too small to be playing 1T in my opinion and 3T suits their skill sets a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steven50 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Bill Belichick has always had losing record without Brady ( 51-65) and that includes with the patriots (20-23). Belicheck can be very successfully in the system he likes but that requires the players that are best suited to play in that system and he currently does not have the QB, WR or TE's to make that system work. The pats are done. They are not going to get any better this year.The offense looked like a high-school team and on defense San Fran was moving the ball at will against them with basic play calling. Without the Patriots mystique that has been built up over the years and the fear that other teams feel when playing them because of it I bet SF could have put up 50 points on them. This should be any easy win for us. Anything less will be a disappointment. You heard it here first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, NewEra said: You need to take into account how Our opponents started to play us.....with 2 deep safeties and giving us the short game. That’s why things have changed. Josh would still be throwing haymakers all over the field if teams were playing our WRs 1 on 1 with little help over the top. That’s not the case. They’re forcing us to nickel and dime them to death with hopes that Allen will make a mistake along the way. It’s worked when Allen tries to get aggressive and forces passes This ^ When teams faced the Bills last season, it was “stop the run and force Allen to play quarterback”. The first four opponents we faced this year did the same thing, only Allen responsed by playing quarterback at a high level and whipping their defenses. Now teams are taking the opposite approach: play soft zones and force the run game and short passing game to beat you. Don’t let Allen beat you long. That’s how teams are playing Mahomes now. Teams are defending Allen and the Bills offense the same way they defend Mahomes and the Chiefs. The easiest way to force defenses out of this approach and open the passing game back up is to run the ball well and for Allen to continue to be patient and smart. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, NewEra said: You need to take into account how Our opponents started to play us.....with 2 deep safeties and giving us the short game. That’s why things have changed. Josh would still be throwing haymakers all over the field if teams were playing our WRs 1 on 1 with little help over the top. That’s not the case. They’re forcing us to nickel and dime them to death with hopes that Allen will make a mistake along the way. It’s worked when Allen tries to get aggressive and forces passes And it's tough to nickle and dime a team down the length of the field with a below average rushing game and below average TE receiving production. When we tried the same tactic against the Chiefs it worked as Mahomes and his receivers didn't really hurt us. But the Chiefs TE's and running game killed us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Logic said: This ^ When teams faced the Bills last season, it was “stop the run and force Allen to play quarterback”. The first four opponents we faced this year did the same thing, only Allen responsed by playing quarterback at a high level and whipping their defenses. Now teams are taking the opposite approach: play soft zones and force the run game and short passing game to beat you. Don’t let Allen beat you long. That’s how teams are playing Mahomes now. Teams are defending Allen and the Bills offense the same way they defend Mahomes and the Chiefs. The easiest way to force defenses out of this approach and open the passing game back up is to run the ball well and for Allen to continue to be patient and smart. Exactly. which is why getting the running game going is so crucial for this team. If we can’t get it going, Bass might be seeing a lot of work this year. 3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: And it's tough to nickle and dime a team down the length of the field with a below average rushing game and below average TE receiving production. When we tried the same tactic against the Chiefs it worked as Mahomes and his receivers didn't really hurt us. But the Chiefs TE's and running game killed us. Yup Tyreek hill was almost nonexistent. Too bad we couldn’t run for ****. Getting the run game going needs to be the emphasis if we want to start scoring some points again 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillzFreak Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, High Football IQ said: It's just the reality of the situation and vegas always knows, in fact you can argue that if we played 30 other NFL teams yesterday and we likely lose. Jets are terrible and by far the worst team in the league, but a struggling Pats team is still a much tougher opponent on paper since they have a proven coach and still have key talent on the roster. I think the Bills lose and probably lose by 10+ points, but if we do find a way to win it will be a last second come from behind type of deal for sure....24 -23 type of game. And if we win I'm sure you will say the Pats are a bad team with no real skill. So even if we win you can still complain about something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 8 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Levi Wallace for this week- He is technically eligible to return off IR, correct? Correct. But as yet, his only observed work on the sidelines has been exercise bike, no footwork with trainers. 7 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Um, wow: ‘Newton, who continued to take the blame for the loss, elaborated: “The energy has definitely been off for me, and at times it’s not rewarding when you’re just going out there with this aura about yourself that’s not you.”’ He added: “I have fun playing this football game, but the performances here hasn’t been somewhat delightful for me to have fun in doing so. So I just got to be better.” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/26/sports/football/patriots-49ers.html Are you sure there weren't references to a Solar Reptilian Being in that talk? 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: What's the song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Correct. But as yet, his only observed work on the sidelines has been exercise bike, no footwork with trainers. Ahh ok thanks for the update. That’s not good to hear. Let’s hope he’s back soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: If you add Cam Newton and Stidham's combined ratings yesterday, they posted a QBR of 7.5 and QB Rating of 78.9. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Are we still only favored by 3.5 points? That's basically like saying the game is "even" which is a bit of backhand to the Bills! No it means we're favored by 2. This season home teams are getting 1.5 with no fans. On a normal year with fans and taking NE's current team situation we'd probably be -4.5 or -5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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machine gun kelly Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Let’s just hope the guys get healthy this week. Then will be a fun game. I wouldn’t predict this game until we know the final injury report at the end of the week. I believe we can win, just not sure by how much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: AFC Def. player of the week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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