Fe'Zahn Tremaine Edmunds scouting report tells us exactly what we see on the field.

[LB48]

It's been 3 years since this report.  I don't see any improvement in his play - - maybe dropping off.  What do you think?

[Edit: this report appears to be from https://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/04/17/nfl-draft-profile-no-11-virginia-tech-lb-tremaine-edmunds/a42uauc/.  Please give your sources when quoting someone else's work.  Thanks. -Mod]

Gap integrity looks like that of a 19-year old. Will take the wrong gap and watch runners go where he should have been. Eyes get too big — gets greedy and will overplay the ball. Takes on blockers at poor angles and gets cleaned out of plays. Has to key better on OL movement and diagnose run plays just a hair faster. Doesn’t use his hands well enough at this point to stack and shed interior OL blocks. Can get blown up by crack-back blocks — must do better job of keeping head on a swivel.

Instincts are still developing in coverage — prone to getting fooled by play action and misdirection  and will have trouble locating the ball at times. Sometimes gets lost in space. Plays too shallow sometimes and doesn’t cut off enough of the field.

Still developing physically, too. Carries his weight well but needs to add take-on  strength. Isn’t a Brandon Spikes-type of linebacker and could add a little more nastiness as a hitter.

[NewEra]

He was better last year.  Maybe due to the DL.  Maybe a combination of the DL, his shoulder, his nose and him sucking.  

[GreggTX]

He definitely needs more nastiness. I remember Dick Butkus saying his fondest wish was to hit a guy so hard that his head would come off and roll down the field. Aside from his other shortcomings, Edmunds could use some of that moxie.

[JoPoy88]

Who wrote the report?

[PUNT750]

He's like an Olympic  gymnast that excels as a teenager  and then the body and mind set change

[GETTOTHE50]

he needs that brandon spikes moxie

[PUNT750]

12 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Who wrote the report?

WHY do you ask?  Don't you think it's spot on!  Eric Edholn wrote the review on Edmunds in Pro Football Weekly!  Happy now?

[Malazan]

Oh, look lb48 with more low hanging fruit.

[PUNT750]

3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Oh, look lb48 with more low hanging fruit.

are you really a bills fan or just someone that needs to follow the pack and feel loved??

[BillsFan692]

Eerily accurate

[Thurman#1]

Know what I thought when I saw this?

 

That you'd loaded the dice. That there was a reason that you hadn't given the link, and that the reason was that you had extracted the exact worst little excerpts and left out the good bits.

 

And Golly gee whiz, turns out I was right, and you were cherry-picking the worst stuff

 

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/190028-tremaine-edmunds-virginia-tech/page64/

Edited October 22, 2020 by Thurman#1

[ProcessTruster]

1 hour ago, LB48 said:

It's been 3 years since this report.  I don't see any improvement in his play - - maybe dropping off. 

What do you think?

Gap integrity looks like that of a 19-year old. Will take the wrong gap and watch runners go where he should have been. Eyes get too big — gets greedy and will overplay the ball. Takes on blockers at poor angles and gets cleaned out of plays. Has to key better on OL movement and diagnose run plays just a hair faster. Doesn’t use his hands well enough at this point to stack and shed interior OL blocks. Can get blown up by crack-back blocks — must do better job of keeping head on a swivel.

 

Instincts are still developing in coverage — prone to getting fooled by play action and misdirection  and will have trouble locating the ball at times. Sometimes gets lost in space. Plays too shallow sometimes and doesn’t cut off enough of the field.

 

Still developing physically, too. Carries his weight well but needs to add take-on  strength. Isn’t a Brandon Spikes-type of linebacker and could add a little more nastiness as a hitter.

thats because he pretty much IS a 19 year old.  He will improve as he plays more.  My guess is the shoulder is much worse than we know and he cannot punch.  but they need him in coverage and to call the defense, so.. there it is.. Tyrol Dodson is the alternative.  yikes. 

[Thurman#1]

To continue, funny how you left out this part of the same report:

 

"

The Way We See It: A true junior, Edmunds is a unique prospect -- it's not often that we see inside linebackers who are close to 6-foot-5. Very productive college player, but he is more of a reactor than an anticipator. In the NFL, instincts matter at the LB position. He can get tall at times, but Edmunds still uses his hands well to shed. He's better in pursuit than defending runs right at him. Needs to make a few more plays at or near the LOS (line of scrimmage). Very good coverage guy who gets depth with his drop and can play man. Plants and closes on the ball quickly. Not used a lot as a blitzer/pass rusher and needs to develop his pass rush technique. Overall, Edmunds is a very good prospect who is not quite there yet. With his frame, he might be better off outside, but if he plays there he needs to improve his pass rush skills. Has a lot of upside. He will be graded differently by each club depending on their profile for the position. With his size and athleticism, he has some Brian Urlacher to him -- but he's not Urlacher. He can control the middle of the field in zone similarly to what Urlacher was able to do. I'm not as high as others on Edmunds because he doesn't have top instincts, but at his age they will get better. Could be a top-10 guy.
 

 

Upside:

Long, massive and rangy defender — great arm length, explosiveness, athletic profile and size-speed combination. Can't draw them up too much better for the position. Great athleticism on display at combine shows up on tape too. Natural strength is impressive, and he's got a lot of room to develop and get stronger. Keeps his feet moving and can pivot and change directions with ease. Closes on the ball in a hurry.
Will break extremely fast on underneath passes thrown in his area. Watch this film-study play where Edmunds reads the eyes of Miami (Fla.) QB Malik Rosier and breaks on the drag route to break up the pass nicely:

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZcbIem1AaGDlSTwCaV

Can pinball off blockers and keep his momentum going toward the ball. Squares his shoulders nicely and plays with a downhill thump and purpose. Effective rusher who can scream off the edge, arrive quickly on a green-dog blitz or loop around on stunts. Explosive when working downhill, especially in the run game. Sets a good, hard edge against the run, especially in goal line and short yardage.

Tackling is strong, especially for such a young player and particulary in space. Closes nicely from depth and hits his targets. Scrapes down the line, keeps his balance and can shed blocks on the move. Wraps up and closes the deal with his condor wingspan and good burst. Rarely whiffs, and at the very worst he can slow down ballcarriers for others to finish off the play.

Has template to be a good coverage player. Rare that a 250-pound player can check backs and tight ends in man coverage, but he can carry them past the second level. Even occasionally matched up with receivers. Has the athleticism to be a Tampa-2 "Mike" and drop into deep zones. Loose hips — can turn and run in a flash. Will read quarterbacks' eyes for tells. Tries to bait them into throwing to his man, knowing he can make up the distance in a jiffy.

Highly productive player. Always seems to make 2-3 disruptive plays per game. Clean medical history — no known injuries at Tech. Strong character marks from NFL teams.

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

So, basically, you're full of it.

 

It's not even remotely fair what you did there, cherry-picking the worst small bits from an overall excellent report ...

 

... and then not posting the link because you didn't want people to be able to check your extremely shoddy, biased, petty work.

 

Again, for those who want to see the whole report, it's very positive, but definitely does have some warnings. I didn't repost the negatives since the OP had already done it. Best is to look at the whole thing. Here it is:

 

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/190028-tremaine-edmunds-virginia-tech/page64/

Edited October 22, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Trogdor]

I actually really appreciate Edmunds as a tackler. He wraps when he tackles and I don't see him bounce off as often as a lot of the NFL. Rugby style tackling might not be as flashy, but it sure works better than some of the ***** you see out there.

[Sharky7337]

I don't get the animosity towards you for posting this thank you. I think it sounds just about right to what we see.

 

 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

The OP approached this like a politician...half truths at best. Printing only the negative portion of a much longer generally very positive assessment without including the link is deceptive. 

What's funny is I don't disagree with where he's going with the point  being made about Edmunds. But the 'sleaziness' of presenting it this way turns people off to his argument when a few additional words clarifying these were the negatives only, and including the link, would have gone further towards perception of the validity of his opinion. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, LB48 said:

It's been 3 years since this report.  I don't see any improvement in his play - - maybe dropping off. 

What do you think?

Gap integrity looks like that of a 19-year old. Will take the wrong gap and watch runners go where he should have been. Eyes get too big — gets greedy and will overplay the ball. Takes on blockers at poor angles and gets cleaned out of plays. Has to key better on OL movement and diagnose run plays just a hair faster. Doesn’t use his hands well enough at this point to stack and shed interior OL blocks. Can get blown up by crack-back blocks — must do better job of keeping head on a swivel.

 

Instincts are still developing in coverage — prone to getting fooled by play action and misdirection  and will have trouble locating the ball at times. Sometimes gets lost in space. Plays too shallow sometimes and doesn’t cut off enough of the field.

 

Still developing physically, too. Carries his weight well but needs to add take-on  strength. Isn’t a Brandon Spikes-type of linebacker and could add a little more nastiness as a hitter.

OP, please give your source.  If it’s your work, let us know.  
 

If it’s someone else’s work, they should be given credit. 
 

Thanks!

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

He needs to move to the outside. He’d be much better in Milanos role covering or rushing the passer in a different scheme. He’s not a MLB.

[Rc2catch]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

So, basically, you're full of it.

 

It's not even remotely fair what you did there, cherry-picking the worst small bits from an overall excellent report ...

 

... and then not posting the link because you didn't want people to be able to check your extremely shoddy, biased, petty work.

 

Again, for those who want to see the whole report, it's very positive, but definitely does have some warnings. I didn't repost the negatives since the OP had already done it. Best is to look at the whole thing. Here it is:

 

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/190028-tremaine-edmunds-virginia-tech/page64/

Well done. Seemed a little shady the way the op was put together 

[Kwai San]

45 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

I don't get the animosity towards you for posting this thank you. I think it sounds just about right to what we see.

 

 

 

Methinks you glossed over the rest of the posts here.....I totally get the animosity AND I agree that Edmunds hasn't played well since his shoulder injury.  AND as a previous poster mentioned his DL is shaky at best....at best!  The OP's post was cherry picking at its absolute worst.  It fit his narrative and now he is being called out on it......rightly so.

[ALLEN1QB]

Looks like he should have Von Miller ability but I doubt he will improve we will cut him then the Patriots will make him a star.

[IgotBILLStopay]

A Linebacker is only as good as the front four and the back 4 allow him to be. I think if the front 4 do their job and Tre plays in the game, it will be fair game to evaluate Edmunds. 

 

That being said, his play does appear to have dropped off -  partly injury related but partly because of what the OP says - he does bite on the first fake more often than a MLB should. 

 

Strangely enough he does well when he is very close to the line of scrimmage (where play has to be instinctual) and far from the line of scrimmage (where he can wait and depend on his closing speed to stop big chunk players). It is in the middle area where he is getting burned. 

 

McD appears to recognize that - he was playing close to the line of scrimmage to stop Henry and a lil deeper to stop Mahomes. I think these two players are anomalies and we won’t face these types of beasts in most games ( I think he will cover Kittle well).

 

I would not be averse to having Dodson play MLB and Edmunds play OLB with or without Milano.

[DCofNC]

Hysterical part is the rest of the report still tells everything we have seen, he’s a reactor, not anticipatory, wraps with his long arms and slows the guy down, IE backler , not tackler.  Notable the author says he can scream off the corner if he’s not touched and he would need pass rush moves to play OLB more, good for coverage not a run stopper.  So as much as the OP is taking crap for cherry picking, the rest only proves everyone else is  trying to cherry pick the good parts and don’t understand what’s there anyway.

[thebandit27]

Tape:

 

 

[Beast]

That scouting report certainly rings true with what we are seeing. Last year he was much better. Maybe his injury has made him over compensate and revert back to bad technique?

 

I don't know that answer but do know what we are seeing is troublesome.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Beast

[BillsFan692]

The "positive" part of the report really doesnt sound that great either if we are being honest

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

I don't get the animosity towards you for posting this thank you. I think it sounds just about right to what we see.

 

I don't know about animosity but:

 

1) it's not appropriate to repost someone else's work without giving credit.  Credit them and if it's online, provide a link to the source.  Frankly, failure to do so is a form of theft.

 

2) The work cited had two sides, a positive and a negative side.  The OP chose to only post the negative side, which is their perogative but definitely not a sign of a balanced perspective.

[thebandit27]

35 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Hysterical part is the rest of the report still tells everything we have seen, he’s a reactor, not anticipatory, wraps with his long arms and slows the guy down, IE backler , not tackler.  Notable the author says he can scream off the corner if he’s not touched and he would need pass rush moves to play OLB more, good for coverage not a run stopper.  So as much as the OP is taking crap for cherry picking, the rest only proves everyone else is  trying to cherry pick the good parts and don’t understand what’s there anyway.

People should watch the tape...I believe that at least some of your opinions would be affected by it

[BillsFan692]

The fact is Edmunds hasnt made a single game-changing impact play for this team and we are in our 3rd season with him...

 

To be honest what else do you need to know about our first round pick?

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, BillsFan692 said:

The fact is Edmunds hasnt made a single game-changing impact play for this team and we are in our 3rd season with him...

 

To be honest what else do you need to know about our first round pick?

He hasn’t?

 

 

Hyperbole is some kinda thing around here

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I don't care if you cut and pasted this from 10 different scouting reports, everything you posted is exactly what we are seeing on the field this year. I think Edmunds is still very young a will develop into a solid/good player but I feel like this defense might be holing him back. 

[Fan in Chicago]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

So, basically, you're full of it.

 

It's not even remotely fair what you did there, cherry-picking the worst small bits from an overall excellent report ...

 

... and then not posting the link because you didn't want people to be able to check your extremely shoddy, biased, petty work.

 

Again, for those who want to see the whole report, it's very positive, but definitely does have some warnings. I didn't repost the negatives since the OP had already done it. Best is to look at the whole thing. Here it is:

 

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/190028-tremaine-edmunds-virginia-tech/page64/

Well done, @Thurman#1

[badassgixxer05]

6 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Is it a TPS report?

 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

He needs to move to the outside. He’d be much better in Milanos role covering or rushing the passer in a different scheme. He’s not a MLB.

I agree, to me with his size and pass rushing ability I've alway felt he's a SLB maybe not as good at getting to the QB as LorAx but similar to Jeff Posey. 

[Victory Formation]

Should go outside.. Think you bring in a true MLB, re-sign Milano to a 1 year prove it deal and onward we go.. I don’t think Edmunds has the brains nor toughness or nastiness to play inside and I don’t trust him to get our defense lined up in the right spots.. Not physical enough to be an enforcer in this defense.. Could have value as an outside LB.. has done a pretty good job using his speed to blitz off the edge.. Could be an asset as a coverage guy especially against some of the better TEs around the league.. He has value, he’s just playing out of position and behind a porous DL.. Not saying he’ll be great as an outside guy either, his responsibilities need to be dumbed down and the game simplified for him..

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

So, basically, you're full of it.

 

It's not even remotely fair what you did there, cherry-picking the worst small bits from an overall excellent report ...

 

... and then not posting the link because you didn't want people to be able to check your extremely shoddy, biased, petty work.

 

Again, for those who want to see the whole report, it's very positive, but definitely does have some warnings. I didn't repost the negatives since the OP had already done it. Best is to look at the whole thing. Here it is:

 

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/190028-tremaine-edmunds-virginia-tech/page64/

 

Agree that you should post to the entire report.  But, I think the OP’s point is that the warnings in the report are what we are seeing now.  

 

Really, overall, the D has regressed, the OL has regressed, gee, seems to point to coaching to me.  

 

 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Hysterical part is the rest of the report still tells everything we have seen, he’s a reactor, not anticipatory, wraps with his long arms and slows the guy down, IE backler , not tackler.  Notable the author says he can scream off the corner if he’s not touched and he would need pass rush moves to play OLB more, good for coverage not a run stopper.  So as much as the OP is taking crap for cherry picking, the rest only proves everyone else is  trying to cherry pick the good parts and don’t understand what’s there anyway.

 

 

Um, no. I'm the one who called him out, and I took great pains to - twice - tell everyone they should read the whole thing. Gave the link, twice. (Mods later found another link which is somewhat different, but has overall the same slant.)

 

Whereas he didn't give the link at all, or indicate that he was only giving a small, biased part of the story. That's why the mods went to his OP and put in the link themselves.

 

And you're cherrypicking just as much as him. Again picking one or two of the few negative things and pretending that it's "the rest of the report, " which is just flat-out wrong. The rest of the report does indeed say the things you say, but also things like this:  

 

"Explosive when working downhill, especially in the run game. Sets a good, hard edge against the run, especially in goal line and short yardage.Tackling is strong, especially for such a young player and particulary in space. Closes nicely from depth and hits his targets. Scrapes down the line, keeps his balance and can shed blocks on the move. Wraps up and closes the deal with his condor wingspan and good burst. Rarely whiffs, and at the very worst he can slow down ballcarriers for others to finish off the play."

 

The thing to do is give both sides of the story. When you give only one, you're saying more about  yourself and  your prejudices than you are about the guy you're writing about.

 

 

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

I don't get the animosity towards you for posting this thank you. I think it sounds just about right to what we see.

 

 

Posters have given their reasons for the animosity. They seem legit to me. Cherry picking to advance a narrative, while leaving out opinions that are contrary to his rubs folks the wrong way. Not sure how you get it, whether you agree or not.

L.A.M.P.   ???

 

[klos63]

6 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

thats because he pretty much IS a 19 year old.  He will improve as he plays more.  My guess is the shoulder is much worse than we know and he cannot punch.  but they need him in coverage and to call the defense, so.. there it is.. Tyrol Dodson is the alternative.  yikes. 

Isn't he 22? In his 3rd season?  The time is now. Linebackers usually don't take 3-4 years to learn how to play.