Chandler#81 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That was my thought too, although it would put McDermott/Frazier in a big bind not to be able to play whoever they think best, or at least have them available in case of injury Yes and no. Cutting Murphy only counts against this season. Then his hugely overpaid salary is done. Buy a mercenary on his last season. If he plays great, we’ll try to sign him again next season, but we’ll have other priorities. This is the best Bills team this century. Our rookie QB Contract window is closing fast. Give us the pieces we need NOW! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Sure do miss all the Star bashing posts on here 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I didn't like them but said "In Beane We Trust" I actually thought Lawson was gonna sign a much bigger deal and was content to let him walk and was sad to lose Jordan. I towed the "In Beane We Trust" line too. We should have kept both looking back. 3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Honestly the players they brought in to replace Jordan and Shaq aren't the issue (Addision and Jefferson) and Shaq and Jordan aren't having great seasons in their new teams either. The issue is age is catching up to Hughes, Henry hasn't been good (seems to me like he hasn't recovered from his injury), Butler has stunk and Ed Oliver hasn't taken that next step up just yet. It's more so on the existing players than on the guys that replaced Shaq and Jordan Phillips in my opinion. Jerry certainly hasn't helped the situation, and maybe Star not playing this year changes things too, but i wish we had these guys back for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, bills6969 said: I suspect Addison starts at DE tonight and Epenesa sees a lot of the playing time. Get the hands up and stop those crossing routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Murphy has shown problems in containing RBs and QBs. This is a good move at the right time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So I'm trying to look at what would be happening if this were true. Remember so far the only source is this NFL-N Tom Pelissaro guy, and that McDermott is Not A Fan of tipping his hand personnel-wise Here's our depth chart off Buffalo Bills.com Per Joe B, last game the Bills pretty much played a 3 man rotation at DE featuring Hughes, Addison, and Murphy. Hughes with Addison was the most common, and Hughes with Murphy the runner-up. Epenesa and Johnson got a whole 7 snaps in the first half. So if Murphy is inactive, what would that mean? Giving Epenesa and Johnson more time? Johnson was benched last year due to struggles against the run. This is what Joe B had to say about Epenesa: Late in the Titans game, he showed a good reaction to the snap, whipped around Tennessee right tackle Dennis Kelly and tripped up Derrick Henry for a 3-yard loss. It was a great play. The rest of the time, though, Epenesa was borderline unplayable. He received a total of six snaps against the Titans and he needed to show more on four of them. Now I grant you that Joe B's perspective and the coaches' perspective may not coincide, and that the Bills want to shake things up, but it would seem odd to make Murphy inactive for Epenesa and Johnson. Likewise, even let's say the Bills plan to start Addison and Butler. Injuries happen; what's their backup plan if Phillips is inactive? The only reason I could see this making sense is if Beane has a trade in the works and they're inactive to ensure they stay healthy. I'm skeptical of this report. Time will tell. So with elevating Cox and Zimmer, it's in an "increasing credibility zone" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Harrison was a beast his rookie year. Hasn’t been the same since his injury. I’m glad I didn’t load up on his Bills memorabilia like I was thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Sheesh, some of y'all "fans" that really "love" this team sure have a lot of disparaging things to say about other human beings that are infinitely more athletically gifted than anyone posting here. I see crap like "worthless" or "waste of space/money" or "absolutely awful" or "putrid" or whatever other colorful terms you Rhodes scholars can come up with. It's one thing to criticize a guy and just say, "Yeah, he hasn't been playing very well" but the insults are just bullcrap, grow up. Thanks for making this post, I'll get started on telling all sports fans around the world that they can't ever criticize players on their favorite team because they have a slower 40 yard dash time and can bench fewer reps than those players. Being sometimes unhappy with the play of a player/a whole team is part and parcel of being a fan. Also making disparaging comments about posters while telling them not make disparaging comments about players is something else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Phillips makes no plays, go ahead name anything he has done here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 This team desperately needs a Cornelius Bennett in his prime type player. Someone to fly around and create mayhem in the backfield, create strains in the opposing team's pass rush scheme, and panic/distract the QB with his general presence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, dorquemada said: 100% guaranteeing that KC will run strait up the middle all night long Gents, let’s hope we don’t see one of those vintage “43 is the Mike!” games from the Jauron era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 even if this doesn't fix our defense the fact McD is making a change is good news the last thing you want is a coaching staff refusing to change things and identifying obvious issues. our dline has been terrible all season and they know it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: But... Star sucks, I read it right here on this forum.... 😁 Go Bills!!! Don, didn’t you hear, Milano sucks too, oh wait, people not knowing a damn thing about football. Still thinking you need a LB like R. Lewis who is 255 lbs., vs. the 2020 Wil. LB who is 235 lbs., athletic, plays sideline to sideline, and can cover TE’s, you know like Kelce tonight. I’m kidding, but never banged on Star as he was a space eating 1 technique DT, who wasn’t meant to get a ton of sacks as we had J. Phillips for that, but to be our big old Teddy W. He was fine. Bottom line is these coaches will need to coach what they have and see what is the best combination. There is no magic bullet off this team. The only one I’d want who knows our defense and team back and forward in Lorax. Get it over with and get him back. Even if he plays 40% of defensive snaps it’s far worth it, oh and he’s relatively cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Pirate Angel said: Sure do miss all the Star bashing posts on here Maybe now he'll get the appreciation he deserves? Hmmm... naaaaahhhhh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: Thanks for making this post, I'll get started on telling all sports fans around the world that they can't ever criticize players on their favorite team because they have a slower 40 yard dash time and can bench fewer reps than those players. Being sometimes unhappy with the play of a player/a whole team is part and parcel of being a fan. Also making disparaging comments about posters while telling them not make disparaging comments about players is something else. Crafting a thoughtful response on why the player isn’t performing well or what you’re noticing is a valid form of criticism. Screaming from the rooftops that a player is “trash”, “sucks”, or whatever other one word lines fans like to throw out is a waste of time. Why are they trash? What are they doing that sucks? You can have a dissenting opinion on performance and even a dislike for certain players... but at least come up with something thoughtful as to why you feel that way. Crushing beers, watching the Bills for 2.5 hours a week and seeing a guy get burnt one time and immediately posting “he needs to be cut” or “trade for Jalen Ramsey to replace him” is useless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 100% ok with benching Murphy. I don’t understand benching Phillips though. He has not been great but he needs snaps to develop. Kudos to McD for being willing to make a change. Makes choosing Murphy over Lawson look even worse now. But water under the bridge. Let's see how Epenesa plays with more snaps. Hopefully he can generate some outside rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Crafting a thoughtful response on why the player isn’t performing well or what you’re noticing is a valid form of criticism. Screaming from the rooftops that a player is “trash”, “sucks”, or whatever other one word lines fans like to throw out is a waste of time. Why are they trash? What are they doing that sucks? You can have a dissenting opinion on performance and even a dislike for certain players... but at least come up with something thoughtful as to why you feel that way. Crushing beers, watching the Bills for 2.5 hours a week and seeing a guy get burnt one time and immediately posting “he needs to be cut” or “trade for Jalen Ramsey to replace him” is useless. Obviously, we prefer the thoughtful response to the rooftop screaming here, as it makes a more valuable contribution and a more interesting fan board On the other hand,to be fair, fans do become "fanatically positive" about a player who is still maturing and evolving, proclaiming he's great, all-world, the franchise, etc etc which is, when you come to think of it, the "manic" side of the bipolar fan 4 games into a season, and often precedes the inevitable flip-flop and crash. It's pretty hard to push back on the sucks, trash, worthless, bust, worthless etc without losing the equal and opposite enthusiasm since IMHO they often (not always) come from the same place No argument on the "trade for Jalen Ramsey to replace him" being useless LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Phillips makes no plays, go ahead name anything he has done here prior to the injury.....he made plays after the injury............................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: Thanks for making this post, I'll get started on telling all sports fans around the world that they can't ever criticize players on their favorite team because they have a slower 40 yard dash time and can bench fewer reps than those players. Being sometimes unhappy with the play of a player/a whole team is part and parcel of being a fan. Also making disparaging comments about posters while telling them not make disparaging comments about players is something else. now if you start going to the players’ homes and spray painting genitalia on their front lawn, well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I didn't like letting them go but said "In Beane We Trust" Neither are doing that great on either team they are on. Phillips has two sacks but he has graded out poorly and Cardinals fans have basically stated that he has only had one good game and been mostly invisible. Shaq has been OK for the Fins but not that dynamic and might be hurt (I know he missed one game for them.) Honestly Addision and Jefferson have been pretty decent and two of the better D-line players this season. Overall it is more so on Hughes getting older seemingly, Henry being off, Star being missed and AJ not having as big of an impact as he could are all more the culprit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Don, didn’t you hear, Milano sucks too, oh wait, people not knowing a damn thing about football. Still thinking you need a LB like R. Lewis who is 255 lbs., vs. the 2020 Wil. LB who is 235 lbs., athletic, plays sideline to sideline, and can cover TE’s, you know like Kelce tonight. I’m kidding, but never banged on Star as he was a space eating 1 technique DT, who wasn’t meant to get a ton of sacks as we had J. Phillips for that, but to be our big old Teddy W. He was fine. Bottom line is these coaches will need to coach what they have and see what is the best combination. There is no magic bullet off this team. The only one I’d want who knows our defense and team back and forward in Lorax. Get it over with and get him back. Even if he plays 40% of defensive snaps it’s far worth it, oh and he’s relatively cheap. Ok no one has ever said Milano sucks on this board even after he bounced off Watson. Some of us believe his ability is overstated on this board. The Milano discussion is whether he should be signed long-term and the cost especially in light of his injury history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 We fear change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Obviously, we prefer the thoughtful response to the rooftop screaming here, as it makes a more valuable contribution and a more interesting fan board On the other hand,to be fair, fans do become "fanatically positive" about a player who is still maturing and evolving, proclaiming he's great, all-world, the franchise, etc etc which is, when you come to think of it, the "manic" side of the bipolar fan 4 games into a season, and often precedes the inevitable flip-flop and crash. It's pretty hard to push back on the sucks, trash, worthless, bust, worthless etc without losing the equal and opposite enthusiasm since IMHO they often (not always) come from the same place No argument on the "trade for Jalen Ramsey to replace him" being useless LOL I should note I don’t support either side lol. I find both useless, it’s definitely valid to be excited and/or upset about a player... but be able to back it up. The posters here that do that make things so much more engaging, but sometimes to get to it you have to scroll through 40 “he’s a franchise QB” and “dude is trash. Cut him and fire Beane” to get there. Everyone spends a little extra time stating their opinions and producing thoughtful content from time to time and things get super fun around here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 29 minutes ago, babulator said: I actually thought Lawson was gonna sign a much bigger deal and was content to let him walk and was sad to lose Jordan. I towed the "In Beane We Trust" line too. We should have kept both looking back. Jerry certainly hasn't helped the situation, and maybe Star not playing this year changes things too, but i wish we had these guys back for sure. I don't think Phillips and Lawson would be performing better than Jefferson and Addison who are performing solidly. So to think if you had both Lawson and Phillips the team would have a much better D-line is flawed. The players that replaced them are doing about as well as they would be doing. Do you think the difference between Lawson/J.Phillips and Jefferson/Addison is what is causing the D-line issues? Hughes getting older, H.Phillips not looking good, Star being out, and AJ not having an impact all still would be issues even if Lawson and Phillips were here instead of Jefferson/Addison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 24 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Murphy has shown problems in containing RBs and QBs. This is a good move at the right time. Philiips is still recovering from his injury while i still do not understand why Murphy is still on this team. Just cut thr dude, cannot stop the run and cannot the pressure on the QB. Until Sean underatands high motor guys are only good if they are playing along side some very good players, Murphy at 10 mllion is the worse starting DE in the whole NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Jordan Phillips anybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: Ok no one has ever said Milano sucks on this board even after he bounced off Watson. Some of us believe his ability is overstated on this board. The Milano discussion is whether he should be signed long-term and the cost especially in light of his injury history. Not accurate Ethan, and wasn’t directed to you at all. He was either interchangeable, to expendable, to not worth it, or avg. at best. Read the history, and no I won’t reply as you have you’re opinion. I respect, but respectfully disagree. Spotrac state he has a $13 mil./yr. value and if we extended him now would include this years cheap 5th round draft pick value bringing him down to $10.7 mil./yr. which is what people did on the math with Dawkins. They made the argument his $15 mil./yr. was only 12.6 mil. Given the cheap year this year. We are now seeing what it’s like without him and he was a lot more valuable than was expounded upon for the last 8 months. Believe what you want my fellow Bills friend, but these guys, meaning Star and him are more valuable than people have stated in the past. Agree to disagree I guess. Go Bills tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, WMDman said: hes listed at 6'3 210 Is he really only 210? A rookie 210 lb Defensive Tackle...what could possibly go wrong? Mahomes has 20 lbs on him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Is he really only 210? A rookie 210 lb Defensive Tackle...what could possibly go wrong? Mahomes has 20 lbs on him! Zimmer? He's listed on the Bills web site as 6'3" 300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Philiips is still recovering from his injury while i still do not understand why Murphy is still on this team. Just cut thr dude, cannot stop the run and cannot the pressure on the QB. Until Sean underatands high motor guys are only good if they are playing along side some very good players, Murphy at 10 mllion is the worse starting DE in the whole NFL To be fair Murphy was playing pretty good the 2nd half of last season. He has not played that way this season. His containment has been bad and if he is not getting pressures on the QB or disrupting the back field his worth diminishes greatly. As to the McDermott comment, I think Sean understands football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RoyBatty is alive Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Zimmer? He's listed on the Bills web site as 6'3" 300 , either way our D Line has been woeful this year Edited October 19, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, babulator said: I actually thought Lawson was gonna sign a much bigger deal and was content to let him walk and was sad to lose Jordan. I towed the "In Beane We Trust" line too. We should have kept both looking back. Jerry certainly hasn't helped the situation, and maybe Star not playing this year changes things too, but i wish we had these guys back for sure. Jerry Hughes is not a huge concern for me at the moment. He may lose containment, but he is still a decent pass rusher. He just can't be "the guy" at this point in his career. The rest of the line is "meh" role players on their best days, and Hughes is still the only focus in terms of stopping the pass rush. If we could get better penetration from the DT position and/or better play from the MLB position, Hughes is still a really nice piece to have. But no, Hughes is not what he once was, and is not good enough to take over a game at DE with bad DT and MLB play. We would need a JJ Watt, Khalil Mack, etc. type player to make up for the deficiencies in the rest of the front 7 playing well below average NFL level. There are not a ton of those guys around. Saying we need that is a lot easier than actually getting a guy at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Is he really only 210? A rookie 210 lb Defensive Tackle...what could possibly go wrong? Mahomes has 20 lbs on him! 310 my bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Thought the poster was discussing Espenoza, either way our D Line has been woeful this year You said DT. Epenesa is not a DT. He's listed at 260 but appears significantly lighter to some of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You said DT. Epenesa is not a DT. He's listed at 260 but appears significantly lighter to some of us. Stop addressing it with me, address it with the other poster, as i said either way our D Line has been woeful this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said: Clyde Edwards-Helaire says HELLO! More like GOODBYE!!!! As he rockets past them.....gonna be an interesting night thats for sure!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: They have some talent on the defensive line that really hasn't lived up to the hype outside of the 2nd half of the Raiders game.... Jefferson, Butler, and Oliver. To this point, their defensive acquisitions via FA have flopped....You'd think they'd get more out of them consider they were pretty much all from Carolina. I have been critical of this FO at this point. If the team is going to keep chasing Carolina retreads they are going to catch more flack when they do not pan out. It is less the Carolina issue with me and more the spending a good chunk of money on past reputations. Vontae, Jefferson, Butler, Norman. We have seen this FO do this a few times and have it not pan out. The FO needs to do a better job of identifying FA at the right trajectories in their career. I am not going to crucify them mid season. We are still 4-1 and playing the Chiefs tonight. We have to find a solution for the next few months with the guys we have. Hoping this shake up can help fix some things because it is really all we have at the moment. Otherwise this is just me arguing with my SO other and bringing up the last big fight we had. Doesn't do anything in the moment. (I think this is what my therapist would call growth) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 My overall view s that McD decided to stick his paws into the D philosophy and planning. We may see a very different style of D today. Worst case it crashes and burns but likely no worse than against the Titans. With Brown back, there is a possibility that Allen and crowd can cover up for much of the D's ineptitude anyway. If (when) we win today, I will tip my hat to McD the coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) I have no problem with giving guys a breather, but shouldn't your 4 best guys on the line be closer to 65-70%(or even higher for your best 1 or 2 DL) snap counts versus this... https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/snap-counts?year=2020&team=BUF&week=ALL&position=DL&op=Submit&form_build_id=form-uKZUpYm1n3hMHjix2aaJ7fMO_NkbbFH-FDSmFbgqatU&form_id=fo_stats_snap_counts_form Edited October 19, 2020 by Back the Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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