When was the moment that it sank in for you, that this time it’s different, we have a real QB

[Mark Vader]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I realized this when the rams scored to take the lead and I was excited.  I was excited to watch stallion put another check in his bedpost of comebacks.  I wasn’t worried.  I just knew that JA would lead us to victory like he has on so many occasions during his short career. 

I was bored the other day and read the archive post of his selection.  Lots of people making some outlandish statements.  I was a Rosen guy, but soon after the selection, I was on board with drafting the kid that may have been the most physically gifted QB I had ever seen.  He just seemed like such a naive baby boy.

I was a Josh Rosen guy too, however I did not dislike Josh Allen.

 

Allen was my second choice at QB for the Bills.

[The Buffalo Irishman]

The draft. When this kid had our logo inside his blazer, I was sold and knew he wanted to play for us and was determined to prove his doubters wrong!!!

GO BILLS!!!

[Artem Lipatov]

I was his fan from the draft. I watched highlights of all QB prospects in that class. And Allen was my favorite by far. He passed in college highlights for 50-60 yards, 40 on the run. It was obvious for me the kid's special. I got tired of noodle arm of Fitz, of medioctiry of Edwards, Tyrod, Manuel, Orton etc. I watned a star QB for Buffalo with cannon arm whose offence is show to watch. 

I overslept draft activities (it was deep night - early morning in Russia). When I woke up and opened nfl website and found out Buffalo had drafted Allen (prospect #1 on  my personal board. And Bills had pick 12 before trade to 7 if I'm coorrect) I was very happy. It was like Christmas gift. I couldn't understand all "wrong Josh" talks here. For me he was the Guy from day 1.

Some doubts began last season when he struggled with long pass completions. But this season he looks like fixed it and now Bills QB is  top 3 QB of NFL in all basic stats. Yes, only 4 weeks, but it was unbelievable several years ago! 

Edited October 6, 2020 by Artem Lipatov

[bdutton]

 

[IDBillzFan]

27 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yep, pocket presence and arm strength. Watching Aaron stand in the pocket AND chuck the ball downfield with a simple flick of the wrist. Looked very familiar.

 

I know Jarvis Landry is not a quarterback, but if you watched his pass to OBJ this weekend from the 42, you get a sense of what a normal athlete has to do to throw a ball 42 yards. A full wind-up to let it go. Then you watch people like Rodgers and Allen snap their wrists for 60 yards and love what you're seeing.

 

 

[Shaw66]

10 minutes ago, bdutton said:

 

36 games into his career, he already has a five minute highlight reel.  

 

This is one of a dozen or more plays that has people saying that he does things on a football field that no other quarterback does. 

2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I know Jarvis Landry is not a quarterback, but if you watched his pass to OBJ this weekend from the 42, you get a sense of what a normal athlete has to do to throw a ball 42 yards. A full wind-up to let it go. Then you watch people like Rodgers and Allen snap their wrists for 60 yards and love what you're seeing.

 

 

Right.  On the replay, I was thinking he almost waited too long, because he couldn't throw it any farther.  For Allen, that's throwing darts. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

no you havnt. he's literally doing historicaly good things. not just in buffalo, but on a league wide scale. so stop it... and you definitely havnt seen it a FEW times.

 

 

there's always a handful of you.

Bledsoe and Fitzpatrick won AFC players of the month to start the season. Allen is young and talented which makes this different but we've seen QB's start hot and fade away. 

[technobot]

I was sold after his rookie year, and posted as much. After the initial "wtf" at the beginning when it looked like all of his worst critics were correct, he flipped the script (for me), quickly. Hurdling Barr, some sweet throws to Foster, his scrambles... his strength and that God-given arm.

 

In the first MIA game, I remember a pass he threw to Foster that Foster simply did not catch. My wife asked, "shouldn't he have caught that?" and I started the usual "Allen is far too inaccurate" mutterings and suddenly stopped and got mad at myself.  I corrected the take and agreed, "you're right... it wasn't a perfect pass, but forgot being in the same area code, he delivered it to the correct address, in the front yard". The Clay drop to seal the loss at the end of the game solidified my faith, how Allen extended indefinitely, Big Ben style, to make something happen. It should have been an entry in his career highlight reel.

 

The takeaway from the first year was Allen had much further to go, but so did the team around him, specifically the receivers. Foster, Zay, Ray-Ray... come on man. And that O-line, oh mama. By default they were better in 2019 just by trying to get better. Everyone remembers the bad in the Houston game, especially OT, but he made some great plays and like the regular season/2018, was victimized by some drops, plain and simple.

 

The jump he's taken this year has exceeded my wildest expectations. Credit the Bills for continuing to add around him and getting him a monster #1 WR, can't say enough about Diggs. Kudos to the front office and coaching staff ensuring he has the proper mentors training and grooming him, I'm looking at (not just) you, Dabes. And wild applause for Allen proving and exceeding what we knew about him from (almost) the beginning: that he drives himself, and works relentlessly to improve.

 

He's going to try some hero ball, but truth be told, everyone does, especially the greats.

[JustWinPlease]

I'm excited, but not yet 100% sold for some reason...the next 3-4 games will be key for me.

I think when I see he can do this consistently, then I'll be ready to let my guard down.

(If he outplays and beats Mahomes, that will do it immediately.)

[Chandler#81]

5 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

I'm excited, but not yet 100% sold for some reason...the next 3-4 games will be key for me.

I think when I see he can do this consistently, then I'll be ready to let my guard down.

(If he outplays and beats Mahomes, that will do it immediately.)

So the 1st 4 games mean nothing to you😳

🤦‍♂️

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

The day he was drafted

 

[Charles Romes]

His first start v. The Chargers.  Could not complete a pass or make a first down or do anything the first half but he never got rattled. He just stayed calm and kept processing and thinking. The chargers found themselves in a ballgame by the late third.  Later his rookie year he threw a pick six versus the dolphins at home. The dolphins scored but not before Josh tracked down the DB and made a massive tomahawk chop at the ball.  That showed me how much he hates to lose. As another poster said the loss on the road v the dolphins his rookie year. Still learning how to play the position but that did not stop him from putting the whole franchise on his back to try to win that game. 

[JustWinPlease]

11 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

So the 1st 4 games mean nothing to you😳

🤦‍♂️

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, that's quite a massive stretch just to stir up some sh*t.

The first four games got me excited, now I want to see him continue to do it against a little more difficult competition.

[{::'KayCeeS::}]

6 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, that's quite a massive stretch just to stir up some sh*t.

The first four games got me excited, now I want to see him continue to do it against a little more difficult competition.

 

So, to be fair to you, you don't think he's a "real QB" yet, because that's what the OP is asking in this thread.

 

There's a difference between beating the best while still being a legit QB.  Plenty of Legit QB's out there in the universe who never won a Super Bowl for example.

 

I think you have misunderstood the question.  Or otherwise you're saying "He's not a real QB yet".  Which you might understand why everyone would scoff at that.

Edited October 6, 2020 by {::'KayCeeS::}

[RoyBatty is alive]

58 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bledsoe and Fitzpatrick won AFC players of the month to start the season. Allen is young and talented which makes this different but we've seen QB's start hot and fade away. 

 

Are you in elementary school, if so Great to see young kids here, You have good points which a lot of Bill fans will jump on.

Edited October 6, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive

[Ray Finkel]

When Josh started to putting touch on the ball.  I will be hone#t I didn’t think he had I in hIm.  He is a warrior!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Are you in elementary school, if so Great to see young kids here, You have good points which a lot of Bill fans will jump on.

Lol people are so sensitive when you disagree with them. 

[John from Riverside]

Last year.....we didnt even give him all the weapons he needed and he was still doing well.

 

I knew there was going to be a jump this year....I just didnt know how big......absolutely shocked that our D is playing way it is and we are winning

[Freddie's Dead]

Posted this a couple weeks ago, here's the point where I knew Josh was the guy:

 

[LanderPoke]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Last night.

 

Sure, I liked seeing his few flashes in 2018 (eg Vikes), and started really buying in last year (Cowboys), but he still wasnt there.

 

Now I see him this year, with the development steps he's taken, and... wow.

 

It really clicked for me last night while watching the Green Bay/Atlanta game. I watched a number of other games this weekend, and none of the other QBs impressed me. And I realized it was because I had this example of Josh in my brain and he is currently so far ahead of them. Then watching Aaron Rodgers last night, it felt like I finally saw another QB who compared to Josh, and then it clicked "Aaron Rodgers is the only QB that is similar to Josh. THE KID IS FOR REAL!"

 

Dont get me wrong, there are other good QBs, and some that might be even better (Russ & Patrick, maybe), but neither of them look/play like Josh. Especially when throwing the ball.

 

Feels good man.

When Matt Ryan noodle-armed a critical throw into the end zone in the 4th qtr last night I thought "Josh would have made that throw with ease".

[Pokebball]

He became a franchise QB when the talent was added around him.  I knew Josh was special his soph yr at Wyoming.  I've seen many QBs in 50yrs in Laramie, and around the mountain west and west coast and have never seen an arm and throws like he made that year.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bledsoe and Fitzpatrick won AFC players of the month to start the season. Allen is young and talented which makes this different but we've seen QB's start hot and fade away. 

There's hot starts and then theres doing things that literally only a handful of qb's have been able to muster. Yes, theres quite the difference.

[RogerNapalm]

When he said "I just want it... More than anything".

[Augie]

There was no single moment. There is a hope that grows gradually, and always a layer of fear that I am being duped again.

 

He’s getting a LOT of attention and praise right now. I think he has the attitude to deal with that. But let’s not go crazy.........he’s going to throw some actual interceptions (the bogus one doesn’t count in MY book) and make some bone headed plays. This trajectory cannot be perfect, but he’s been amazing so far! There are very few QB’s in the league I’d swap for. 

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, Greg S said:

The Dallas game last year was when I started to believe we had a franchise QB. This year confirms it.

This!

He showed he could make quick decisions and get the ball out accurately. The pass to Beasely out of the EZ blew my mind at the time.

Watching them come out of the gate this year and I was positive.
We have another decade, MINIMUM, of good QBing. If Josh gets smart about not beating himself up physically, he could be here 15-20.

[KD in CA]

When he showed up this season throwing darts all over the field, starting with this one:

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

48 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

There's hot starts and then theres doing things that literally only a handful of qb's have been able to muster. Yes, theres quite the difference.

The best part about this is that it doesn't matter what we say because Josh Allen will either prove to be the franchise QB we've been waiting for or he won't. Really nothing to debate. He hasn't achieved anything yet. He sure looks like he's going to but until he does I can't say he's the guy. 

 

Franchise QBs don't get figured out. Let's see what happens. It's fun watching the development. 

[BruceVilanch]

The Jaguars game, especially when he threw that dime to foster as he was getting hit.

[HappyDays]

It sank in this past Sunday. 4 games in a row of elite QB play is impossible to dismiss. The Raiders game might be my favorite game I've seen him play because he looked like he has totally mastered this offense. To be an elite QB you have to be able to manage the game 80% of the time and make big plays the other 20% and so far this year he's doing it all.

[Locomark]

Last year’s Giants game...he made a couple of thread the needle throws right on the money while moving and it was evident to me he was seeing the field better game by game. After the Pats debacle he just showed it every few weeks thereafter. The way he is recognizing this year and throwing people in stride now makes me excited for what he may be like come playoff time. 

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, Batman1876 said:

Josh Allen is different than all the others, for the first time it legitimately feels like we have a long term franchise QB. For me it sank in when Chad Kelly was released and I did not even think we should sign him.  We’ve spent 25 years hoping that with just might luck in to finding a gold brick in a junkyard that the next dude we bring in might just be the answer.  So every time some interesting guy became available I’d think maybe he could be that secret treasure, now I do t think that way, we already struck it rich. Go Bills

 

 

Still not 100%, but he looked very different the first game this year, and when he came out playing just as well the second game, I thought ... hmm, just could be the real thing.

[Locomark]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bledsoe and Fitzpatrick won AFC players of the month to start the season. Allen is young and talented which makes this different but we've seen QB's start hot and fade away. 

Let’s be clear. Josh has made more amazing throws in the last year and 4 weeks than I remember from the entire catalog of Bledsoe and Fitz combined. He has also had more jaw dropping runs than Tyrod or Flutie ever had. He also routinely converts 3rd and 10+ which none of those guys did regularly. It’s not close between Fitz, Drew and Josh IMO. Drew had major talent but not the level of intangibles or leadership and not the ability to make these throws while moving. Fitz never had abilities, after a decade, that Josh already has. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

30 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Let’s be clear. Josh has made more amazing throws in the last year and 4 weeks than I remember from the entire catalog of Bledsoe and Fitz combined. He has also had more jaw dropping runs than Tyrod or Flutie ever had. He also routinely converts 3rd and 10+ which none of those guys did regularly. It’s not close between Fitz, Drew and Josh IMO. Drew had major talent but not the level of intangibles or leadership and not the ability to make these throws while moving. Fitz never had abilities, after a decade, that Josh already has. 

Again I can't take away what Josh has done, he's playing at a top 5 QB level. I'll put it this way, as of right now I would do what the Cowboys did with Dak rather than sign Josh to a monster contract.

[billsfan89]

9 hours ago, Pokebball said:

He became a franchise QB when the talent was added around him.  I knew Josh was special his soph yr at Wyoming.  I've seen many QBs in 50yrs in Laramie, and around the mountain west and west coast and have never seen an arm and throws like he made that year.

 

I thought Josh was going to push to be a top 10 QB this season. I thought he went from really raw rookie to solid mid-level starter from 2018 to 2019. I thought he would still have trouble with the hero ball (which he still does to a degree) and that he would need to feel more comfortable in the pocket consistently. And so far he has looked to be comfortable and processing the game quickly. If he can tighten up the hero ball stuff just a little the sky is the limit with this kid.

[JMF2006]

When Beane drafted him

 

I have been a Billiever since day one.

 

If our football genius GM thought/thinks Josh is the man who am I to question it?

 

The kid had/has all the tools a BIG Arm with great athletic ability and great personality.

 

You could just tell he was going to be something special when he played his first game

[Doc Brown]

When Daboll went up to the booth.

[ganesh]

The Jets season opener last year 

[OrediggerPoke]

Draft night 2018. It was the  night when I first began following the Buffalo Bills.  Before that, my knowledge of the Bills was limited to Scott Norwood and the 1990s Super Bowl losses.

Edited October 7, 2020 by OrediggerPoke

[OrediggerPoke]

20 hours ago, Pokebball said:

He became a franchise QB when the talent was added around him.  I knew Josh was special his soph yr at Wyoming.  I've seen many QBs in 50yrs in Laramie, and around the mountain west and west coast and have never seen an arm and throws like he made that year.

The only other guy I had ever seen with Allen's mentality at QB in all my years following Wyoming was Bradlee Van Pelt.  But Bradlee Van Pelt did not have the physical tools of Josh Allen (not even on the same planet).  So when you add superhero physical traits with a competitor's mentality...you get Josh Allen. 

 

In college, I compared Allen to Roethlisberger.  When I first brought up this comparison (right after Allen's collarbone injury during the Eastern Michigan game when Allen decided to put his shoulder down in QB pads to run over the entire Eastern Michigan defense), folks laughed...but I think Josh Allen will be looked upon much more favorably than Roethlisberger when all is said and done.

[Orlando Tim]

There are three moments I look at as he transcended each level

1) Dolphins when Clay dropped the ball to win game. That ball was a TD to a decent reciever and a miracle play.

2) Dallas last year when he made great plays without any real mistakes.

3) this year against Dolphins because he won the game when things around him we're not as good. 

He went from top 20 to top 10 to top 5 for me in those games