Josh Allen takes a step: 71.7% and 104.6 Passer Rating on 46 passing attempts

[CorkScrewHill]

13 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

Yeah, it's picky, and it was at least a good completion. But then there's the missed Brown TD too. I guess Josh has a couple of those a game...

 

I was watching another game and the same basic thing happened. The thing is with Josh it is a narrative and so as soon as people see one they throw it up on youtube. All quarterbacks every week have bad plays. The idea is to have significantly more good plays than bad. Mission accomplished.

[thebandit27]

Just now, CorkScrewHill said:

I was watching another game and the same basic thing happened. The thing is with Josh it is a narrative and so as soon as people see one they throw it up on youtube. All quarterbacks every week have bad plays. The idea is to have significantly more good plays than bad. Mission accomplished.

Right? Reading reviews of Allen you’d think that most QBs have a completion percentage in the 90’s every week.

[jletha]

9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Right? Reading reviews of Allen you’d think that most QBs have a completion percentage in the 90’s every week.

Patrick Mahomes had multiple throws that were way off target on thursday. I dont really feel the need to defend Josh anymore, especially after a game like this. If you want to criticize his game thats on you, 20+ franchises would be ecstatic for their QB to put up a game that Josh just did.

Edited September 14, 2020 by jletha

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, jletha said:

Patrick Mahomes had multiple throws that were way off target on thursday. I dont really feel the need to defend Josh anymore, especially after a game like this. If you want to criticize his game thats on you, 20+ franchises would be ecstatic for their QB to put up a game that Josh just did.

That Brown miss was heaven sent for the Allen haters.   If he just two hand shovels it to Brown, it’s completed and Allen now has 4 total TD’s as we eclipse 30 points.   
 

That miss gave them a visual to cling to and, along with a garbage time TD, made the game look about 1,000 times closer than it actually was. 
 

Sam Monson immediately tweets it out, completely disregarding 33/46 - 312. 
 

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by SCBills

[jletha]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

That Brown miss was heaven sent for the Allen haters.   If he just two hand shovels it to Brown, it’s completed and Allen now has 4 total TD’s as we eclipse 30 points.   
 

That miss gave them a visual to cling to and, along with a garbage time TD, made the game look about 1,000 times closer than it actually was. 

Yep thats all anyone needs. Its the 5-second GIF that will be circulated around to "LOL @ JOSH ALLEN" all week. 70% on 46 attempts, 300 yards, 3 TDs and 57 yards on the ground is all for naught. Nevemind the many plays he doesnt take a sack and turns it into a positive play. The only thing that matters is the Brown miss.

[mjt328]

8 hours ago, SCBills said:

The low ball really hurt Beasley’s chance at getting a TD on that seam route. 

 

In the New Orleans/Tampa Bay game, future HOF Drew Brees threw low on a similar pass to Emmanuel Sanders.  The WR would have scored a touchdown, but instead had to go to the ground to catch it.  The difference was that Brees was throwing 5 yards over the middle, and Josh Allen was throwing 30 yards over the middle.

 

During the same game, future HOF Tom Brady twice missed WRs along the sideline at least as badly as Allen missed John Brown in the end zone.  Both times they were wide open, and he threw about 10 yards over their heads without any pressure.

 

And as a bonus... MVP Lamar Jackson attempted the exact same lateral (and failed just as badly) as Allen was crucified for during the Houston game.

 

 

At some point, people need to stop ONLY picking at Allen's flaws and start judging him as a total package.  No he's not the most accurate QB in the league, and probably will never be.  But the positives FAR outweigh the negatives, and he continues to get better each season.  He's ridiculously tough for opponents to defend, and most of the time that results in a WIN for the Bills.  

 

[BisonMan]

Easily his best game as a pro. How far was this above his 2nd best game? Would that be the Miami game last year? Dallas?

 

I think this was head and shoulders above those games, especially when you consider his command of the offense and field awareness.

 

The arrow is pointed up, IMHO.

[Chuck Wagon]

Josh is already a NFL starting QB and a franchise player.

 

People pick nits, and he missed some things today, but those things are the difference between being a good quality starter who'll have you in the playoff hunt every year vs winning a MVP, not the difference between a bust and starter material.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

But but but Josh  was 10th in completion % yesterday!

 

Minshew 95% 

Wilson 88.6%

Lamar 80%

Cam 78.9

Rivers 78.3 %

Cousins 76% 

...

...

...

71.7 

 

Poor Tyrod ... 53.3 %

 

{end Trolling]  

 

Seriously there was FAR more indicators in Josh's progress to make note of.

 

Maturity!!!  Lack of Rookie mistakes!!! etc etc 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, TwistofFate said:

I think it undeniable he looked much improved, no one can deny that, even his most vocal detractors, including me. 

 

Can he clean up his fumbles and continue with consistency?  That is the key.  I'm feeling hopeful as of now. 

 

Does he need to clean up the fumbles? I think that is also the question. Look, we know he's not going to fumble the ball 32 times this year. So we know there will be game where yes, he cleans up the fumbles. But they will also rear their ugly head at some point of the season. What is becoming clear to me is that we can still win if Josh does fumble multiple times in a game. This is a credit to Josh because 1. He's totally cut back on the INT's compared to the first 16 games of his career. 2. He's just so good in other areas that the good out weighs the bad when it comes to the occasional fumbles. 

 

What is his TD to interception ratio since the New England game last year? I'm thinking it is quite good.

[Putin]

5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

But but but Josh  was 10th in completion % yesterday!

 

Minshew 95% 

Wilson 88.6%

Lamar 80%

Cam 78.9

Rivers 78.3 %

Cousins 76% 

...

...

...

71.7 

 

Poor Tyrod ... 53.3 %

 

{end Trolling]  

 

On how many pass attempts?
What’s impressive is that Josh threw the ball 46 times and had 71% completion 

[SoCal Deek]

The thing that impressed me the most about Josh yesterday was his control of the offense at  the line of scrimmage. He clearly knows this offense now. That will serve the Bills well as they head through the season. 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Putin said:

On how many pass attempts?
What’s impressive is that Josh threw the ball 46 times and had 71% completion 

 

Minshew was 19/20

[ALF]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Minshew was 19/20

 

St Doug ,  nuff said  🙂

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

St Doug ,  nuff said  🙂

Patron saint of 'No Brainers'.  You can interpret 'No Brainers' any way you see fit. 😁

[Putin]

17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The thing that impressed me the most about Josh yesterday was his control of the offense at  the line of scrimmage. He clearly knows this offense now. That will serve the Bills well as they head through the season. 

Agree 100% !!! 
Josh has come a long way compare to his rookie year and he’s still getting better ...

Lets not forget he’s still young , I believe 23 years old ? Once he matures a little bit he will be amazing !!! 
GO BILLS !!! 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Putin

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Minshew was 19/20

 

He loves playing against the Colts I guess. He had a big game against them to finish the year last year. Like Miami to Josh Allen. Oh, and look who is up next on the schedule.

[OrtonHearsaWho]

The missed throws stand out because they were points on the board but what stood out to me was the (mostly) absence of errant throws that wouldn't make the highlight reel.  Not only didn't he airmail passes, he put a lot of them in spots that only the receiver could catch it.  Look no further than the other team for examples of what I mean...Darnold was missing guys pretty badly and making throws that year one/two Josh did much more often.

 

The other thing that I loved but isn't really new is how easily Josh can make a would be pass rusher miss.  He's always been elusive but yesterday there were several plays where a defender was pretty much right there, Josh makes a quick little move and the defender barely touches him.

[formerlyofCtown]

With some of the fans on this board Allen could be 35-35, 450, 6TDs and it would be "It's a decent performance but I am not buying in until he does that every week and gets that 7th TD".

Edited September 14, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

In the New Orleans/Tampa Bay game, future HOF Drew Brees threw low on a similar pass to Emmanuel Sanders.  The WR would have scored a touchdown, but instead had to go to the ground to catch it.  The difference was that Brees was throwing 5 yards over the middle, and Josh Allen was throwing 30 yards over the middle.

 

During the same game, future HOF Tom Brady twice missed WRs along the sideline at least as badly as Allen missed John Brown in the end zone.  Both times they were wide open, and he threw about 10 yards over their heads without any pressure.

 

And as a bonus... MVP Lamar Jackson attempted the exact same lateral (and failed just as badly) as Allen was crucified for during the Houston game.

 

 

At some point, people need to stop ONLY picking at Allen's flaws and start judging him as a total package.  No he's not the most accurate QB in the league, and probably will never be.  But the positives FAR outweigh the negatives, and he continues to get better each season.  He's ridiculously tough for opponents to defend, and most of the time that results in a WIN for the Bills.  

 

 

Agreed.. I think Allen is to the point, hopefully, where we can point out obvious mistakes without it being a referendum on whether he's good or bad. 

 

If Week 1 Josh Allen is the guy we get this season, with the way he grows game to game, he's a franchise top 10 level QB through and through.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Didn’t see the deep stuff in Game 1, and that’s what I’m needing to see.

 

He had a perfect deep ball on a free play when the Jets jumped Offside but Brown dropped it. If Diggs was there it would have been about a 30 yard completion.

[TigerJ]

15 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

My feelings are torn after today.  He exudes such greatness then follows with mass disappointment. 

 

Right now I feel really good, but am still very concerned. 

If the greatness exuding has gone up, and the head scratching remains a constant, that is still improvement.

[Foxx]

like most here, i loved Allen's game yesterday. there is no question that he has come a long way from when he entered the league to where he is today.

 

just a note of caution though, this was the first game of a unprecedented off season. one where there were no preseason games and teams with not a whole lot of continuity are going to have initial pains getting into their groove. that being said, the talent difference out there on the field yesterday was stark. if not for the few miscues we had (though to be fair, every team has them), it would have been over at the half. give it a month, we will have a better idea what level we are at after the Dolphins, Rams and Raiders games and for sure will know where we are after the Titans and Chiefs games.

 

additionally, i think an argument could be made for Josh's fumbles counting against his passer rating. which i think is partly what ESPN's QBR does. he was 13th in the league yesterday at 71.2. with 4 QB's still to be evaluated tonight, he is middle of the pack either way at this point.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Foxx

[thebandit27]

15 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

My feelings are torn after today.  He exudes such greatness then follows with mass disappointment. 

 

Right now I feel really good, but am still very concerned. 

I must’ve missed the “mass disappointment”.

 

I mean, I saw mistakes, but mostly I saw thorough and utter dominance over a lesser foe.

[PolishDave]

Allen showed he is a playmaker who  is capable of commanding a dominant offense.   He could have folded on himself after those fumbles and the missed pass to Brown.  He didn't fold though.   He didn't crumble from his own mistakes.   He is mentally tough and I love it.

 

Instead of bowing his head, getting rattled and playing a crappy rest of the game - the dude played through the end of the game like a confident leader who knew he and his team were the better team that day.   He had/has the mentality of a champion in my humble opinion.

 

I am excited to see how good this team will look when they play their best game of the year.   I can think of three specific times I would like to see that happen 

 

1) Against the Patriots

2) Against the Chiefs

3) Anytime post regular season

Edited September 14, 2020 by PolishDave

[Meatloaf63]

14 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

Started off like a house on fire. I am worried about the glaring open misses that keep happening.

 

I will put it down to no pre season games

You happen to watch Breeze and Brady yesterday? Plenty of misses, every Qb has a few every game...

[Heitz]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

St Doug ,  nuff said  🙂

 

Obviously.  

[badassgixxer05]

3 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

 

The Jets did a good job of jamming up our running attack..

Yeah, the Jets had one of the best run Ds in the league last year. Their plan was def to make Allen have to throw the ball, and he did just that. 

Edited September 14, 2020 by badassgixxer05

[BigDingus]

19 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Best throw was the touch pass to Diggs that let him keep running for YAC. That's the sort of throw he could never make his rookie year.

 

Agreed. That was an issue last year as well. Even on the few deep passes Allen connected on, the ball placement usually didn't allow for much more than the catch itself. 

But if he can place passes to these targets that allow them to rack up YAC, this offense will become exponentially more dangerous. 

[pi2000]

19 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen only had one bad pass IMO and that was missing Brown for the TD.

 

 

 

1. Brown end-zone
2. Beasley down the seam, an underthrown completion would be a TD if he leads him
3. Out route to Brown in the 3rd quarter, threw it right into the ground 10ft short with a clean pocket
4. Knox
5. He forced a couple in the end-zone that should've been picked

 

 

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It was but most QBs have one of those a game. They happen. 

 

 

To wit...

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

20 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

It's hard to understand how Allan can carry the ball so loosely.  He's one of the biggest strongest guys on the field, but you think by now he learn that he needs to better protect it and cradle it to his body.  There were a couple other times, he could have just as easily fumbled it based on how he was carrying it.  

 

Maybe it's a case of WR and RB have enough experience running with the ball and defenders trying to strip it, that they just naturally protect it better.  Josh with more limited times running with the ball, he is used to doing it against other who are much weaker so he can get away with it, but not in the NFL.

 

Yeah, I am always puzzled by how he is so bad with it given his size and strength.  

 

But, I do think its very much about him not be a natural RB and his muscle memory isn't there yet on having a feel on keeping that ball high and tight.  He is so competitive and I think his focus tends to lean on getting more yards and running away from people and that is when his ball security is sloppy.  Josh is good at covering it up when he sees the contact coming, but he just doesn't seem to wrap it up fast enough when in traffic before he realizes he is about to get hit.  Couple that with his reputation for fumbling, and defenders are focusing on punching that ball out every time too.  

 

 

[ngbills]

11 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

To wit...

 

 

 

Nobody questions this doesn't happen. Difference is this is showing examples of guys that have won the MVP and are proven passers making bad passes vs a guy that has yet to prove that he can be an accurate passer. Its like the guy that is late to work a few times a week is late and says but everyone is late once in awhile. Yes, true but for them its the exception not the norm. Allen needs to earn a reputation and until then it is what he is. 

[IDBillzFan]

22 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Nobody questions this doesn't happen. Difference is this is showing examples of guys that have won the MVP and are proven passers making bad passes vs a guy that has yet to prove that he can be an accurate passer. Its like the guy that is late to work a few times a week is late and says but everyone is late once in awhile. Yes, true but for them its the exception not the norm. Allen needs to earn a reputation and until then it is what he is. 

 

What about yesterday's game has you under the impression Allen is inaccurate? Was it the 70%+ completion rate?

[Franco_92]

1 hour ago, pi2000 said:

 

 

1. Brown end-zone
2. Beasley down the seam, an underthrown completion would be a TD if he leads him
3. Out route to Brown in the 3rd quarter, threw it right into the ground 10ft short with a clean pocket
4. Knox
5. He forced a couple in the end-zone that should've been picked

 

 

 

 

He forced one into the end zone that could have been picked. The other end zone force hit Cole in the feet and while not having a chance at being successful,it was about as dangerous as throwing into the stands

[ngbills]

5 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

What about yesterday's game has you under the impression Allen is inaccurate? Was it the 70%+ completion rate?

Yesterday's game. You said it - one game. As I said - Josh has the well deserved reputation based on his NFL and College stats as being inaccurate. He needs to earn a new reputation. One game does not change that. Do you think it should?

 

Nobody questions this doesn't happen. Difference is this is showing examples of guys that have won the MVP and are proven passers making bad passes vs a guy that has yet to prove that he can be an accurate passer. Its like the guy that is late to work a few times a week is late and says but everyone is late once in awhile. Yes, true but for them its the exception not the norm. Allen needs to earn a reputation and until then it is what he is. 

[Bruffalo]

50 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

To wit...

 

 

 

Calling it one of the worst passes in NFL history is a ridiculous hyperbole too.  It wasn't a good pass but come on, one of the worst in history? Worse than a pick 6? Worse than leading your WR into a devastating hit?  Worse than Nathan freaking Peterman? 

 

Give me a break...

[BillsFanSD]

1 hour ago, pi2000 said:

 

 

1. Brown end-zone
2. Beasley down the seam, an underthrown completion would be a TD if he leads him
3. Out route to Brown in the 3rd quarter, threw it right into the ground 10ft short with a clean pocket
4. Knox
5. He forced a couple in the end-zone that should've been picked

 

 

 

 

#1 was a little frustrating, but passes like that happen.  (As we've seen in this thread).

 

#2-#5 are all just routine hiccups that are completely normal plays in every game at every level including those with future HOF QBs.  Literally nobody gets their ball placement exactly right on every single play.  Literally everyone tries to thread the needle now and again and has a potential interception dropped.  None of those are worth losing sleep over. 

[Putin]

1 hour ago, pi2000 said:

 

 

1. Brown end-zone
2. Beasley down the seam, an underthrown completion would be a TD if he leads him
3. Out route to Brown in the 3rd quarter, threw it right into the ground 10ft short with a clean pocket
4. Knox
5. He forced a couple in the end-zone that should've been picked

 

 

 

 

Are  you saying Allen wasn’t PERFECT ??  
we need to find a QB that will be perfect every game ,  missing some throws is unacceptable !!! 

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Putin

[Ecmic82]

2-3 on passes over 20 yards. Had another free play deep pass to brown that probably should’ve been caught. The pass to Beasley could’ve been better, but that was the type of pass he might’ve missed last year. Great drop-in 22 yarder to Diggs. 24% on 20+ yarders last year.

 

Used snap-count to draw Jets offside on important third down.

 

Looked like he audibled the play that resulted in Brown’s touchdown.

 

designed passes stayed pass plays - which showed me that maybe he’s done a lot of work on going through progressions.

 

Great decision making overall I thought. How many third down throws did he make that were well placed a yard or two past the marker? How many plays did Allen make where you asked, “Why on Earth did you decide to do THAT, Josh”? For me, barely any.

 

Maybe my expectations are too low, but all I care to see is meaningful forward progress from Allen, and I saw that yesterday, especially in the two areas he NEEDED to improve upon - deep throws and decision making.

 

I am happy.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Ecmic82