JetsFan20 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-chairman-says-patrick-mahomes-contract-extension-talks-will-begin-this-summer/ 40MM seems like a bargain if Dak gets 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I question whether Dak is worth that kind of money. I do NOT question whether Mahomes is worth that kind of money. 2 years as a starter, 1 trip to the AFC title game, 1 Super Bowl win, 1 MVP and record setting numbers. He also came back from a pretty bad injury to lead the team, showing grit and toughness. Dak signing for $35M is bad for the Bills as far as Allen's price tag if he continues to progress, but Mahomes signing for $40M is good for the Bills. Allen would likely command the same or more than Dak, but less than Mahomes. That said, if Allen has a MVP and a Super Bowl victory in the next couple of years, he will also be worth $40M+ and it will be a good problem for the Bills to have. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Mahomes is worth whatever he can get. I think Dak is really good and is probably worth close to $35. Wouldn't surprise me to see him do better under McCarthy. Just wondering how the cap will be effected by the loss of revenue this season. Could have an impact on the QB's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 3 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-chairman-says-patrick-mahomes-contract-extension-talks-will-begin-this-summer/ 40MM seems like a bargain if Dak gets 35. But Dak wants $45mil ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 8 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-chairman-says-patrick-mahomes-contract-extension-talks-will-begin-this-summer/ 40MM seems like a bargain if Dak gets 35. That really screws up your cap when the team is paying that much cash for one player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Doesn't matter someone will always pay And overpay so that QB won't go to another team imagine dak playing for wasington. Jerry would have a cow no way does he not sign for big numbers. For us 1 year of that would set us up for life. I don't need a million dollar house with all the high prices cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 6 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: But Dak wants $45mil ? No. He wants $45m for the 5th year. That is the sticking point. If the Cowboys were willing to do 4 years $35m I think this would be done pretty quickly. The 5th year is the sticking point. Dak doesn't want a 5th year and the Cowboys do. Dak's side are saying "fine but I am not taking that 5th year on the basis of what yearly averages are now because by then Wilson will have extended, Mahomes and Watson will have mega deals, Allen, Jackson, Mayfield and Darnold all might too and Murray will be coming due. If you want me for that 5th year you are going to have to pay me what we project the market to look like at that point." It is smart negotiating. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Any deal Mahomes signs will look like a deal in a year or 2 as other QBs not even in the same weight class start getting close to the same $$$$. If I was Mahomes I'd be looking for a 2 year $92M deal fully guaranteed, and just keep resetting the market every 2 years 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alton Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 40 millimeters is kind of small. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 40 minutes ago, Estro said: Any deal Mahomes signs will look like a deal in a year or 2 as other QBs not even in the same weight class start getting close to the same $$$$. If I was Mahomes I'd be looking for a 2 year $92M deal fully guaranteed, and just keep resetting the market every 2 years That was my initial thought... but there is so much risk in turning down 5 years $200 with a definite financial crisis in place and so much unknown looming. The NFL success grew during a time of great economic growth and will assuredly shrink as the economy slides downwards. The cap will not continue to grow if revenues don’t and salaries will fall in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 11 hours ago, msw2112 said: I question whether Dak is worth that kind of money. I do NOT question whether Mahomes is worth that kind of money. 2 years as a starter, 1 trip to the AFC title game, 1 Super Bowl win, 1 MVP and record setting numbers. He also came back from a pretty bad injury to lead the team, showing grit and toughness. Dak signing for $35M is bad for the Bills as far as Allen's price tag if he continues to progress, but Mahomes signing for $40M is good for the Bills. Allen would likely command the same or more than Dak, but less than Mahomes. That said, if Allen has a MVP and a Super Bowl victory in the next couple of years, he will also be worth $40M+ and it will be a good problem for the Bills to have. You don't think Allen could eclipse Mahomes? Not that I'm arguing Allen is worth more or better.....he's not. But it seems in the NFL that the latest contract, not the best player gets paid the most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, alton said: 40 millimeters is kind of small. You would know. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 11 hours ago, msw2112 said: I question whether Dak is worth that kind of money. I do NOT question whether Mahomes is worth that kind of money. 2 years as a starter, 1 trip to the AFC title game, 1 Super Bowl win, 1 MVP and record setting numbers. He also came back from a pretty bad injury to lead the team, showing grit and toughness. Dak signing for $35M is bad for the Bills as far as Allen's price tag if he continues to progress, but Mahomes signing for $40M is good for the Bills. Allen would likely command the same or more than Dak, but less than Mahomes. That said, if Allen has a MVP and a Super Bowl victory in the next couple of years, he will also be worth $40M+ and it will be a good problem for the Bills to have. Allen seems like he is so much of a homer that he may even give a home team discount so the Bills can have better players. Not that he would have to for me to favor him, just seems like that kind of guy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 12 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-chairman-says-patrick-mahomes-contract-extension-talks-will-begin-this-summer/ 40MM seems like a bargain if Dak gets 35. $40 Mill a year seems a bit ridiculous ! Just saying ... I mean get it while you can if you can but in the grand scheme of things WOW ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I would give Mahomes that kind of money DAK on the other hand I would show him the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Estro said: Any deal Mahomes signs will look like a deal in a year or 2 as other QBs not even in the same weight class start getting close to the same $$$$. If I was Mahomes I'd be looking for a 2 year $92M deal fully guaranteed, and just keep resetting the market every 2 years It really depends on what Mahomes wants. IF he feels he is bulletproof, a 2 year deal makes sense. BUT if he wants more security, maybe you leave a little money on the table and sign a 4-5 year deal, 80% guaranteed, 160-200MIL deal. This way, if you get a catastrophic injury, you have secured your future and your families. Who knows what he is thinking... maybe he wants multiple Super Bowls and become the GOAT+, take less money so KC can build a strong all around team. 35 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You don't think Allen could eclipse Mahomes? Not that I'm arguing Allen is worth more or better.....he's not. But it seems in the NFL that the latest contract, not the best player gets paid the most. Right now, at this moment, NO, Josh is not worth Mahomes money... BUT if Buffalo goes out and wins a Super Bowl and Josh puts up good numbers (he FINALLY has a #1 WR on the roster), winner the Super Bowl raises his worth significantly. IMO, this is what Dak does not understand. If he takes Dallas to a Super Bowl win, he can demand any money he wants... BTW, look at the other side of Dallas' team. Their defense if held together with bailing wire and duct tape. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 50 mil a year will have a huge impact on the kind of players that you can surround Mahomes with. If more rules are put in place that benefit the offense I can see 80% of the cap going to offense. Teams will start messing with no name defenses paying low level players 2 mil a year. I still 100% without a doubt, bet 50,000$, stick my head in horse ***** believe Brady was being paid under the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Chris Simms is reporting that it's 40 billion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: 50 mil a year will have a huge impact on the kind of players that you can surround Mahomes with. If more rules are put in place that benefit the offense I can see 80% of the cap going to offense. Teams will start messing with no name defenses paying low level players 2 mil a year. Great. I look forward to game scores in the 77-74 range. I'll quit watching and following if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: 50 mil a year will have a huge impact on the kind of players that you can surround Mahomes with. If more rules are put in place that benefit the offense I can see 80% of the cap going to offense. Teams will start messing with no name defenses paying low level players 2 mil a year. I still 100% without a doubt, bet 50,000$, stick my head in horse ***** believe Brady was being paid under the table. Those teams would all have to change their names to "2011-2018 New Orleans Saints". come on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Happy said: Great. I look forward to game scores in the 77-74 range. I'll quit watching and following if that happens. If these QB’s get into the 50 mil range do you think they will surround their 50 mil $ man with crap O-Line? Or Crap weapons? It will definitely be the defensive side that gets hit the hardest. If they adopted the rule change next year of WR’s needing only one foot in bounds for a catch we are well on our way to seeing games in the 40 to 60 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 13 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-chairman-says-patrick-mahomes-contract-extension-talks-will-begin-this-summer/ 40MM seems like a bargain if Dak gets 35. What is the second M for? There's only one M in million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, alton said: 40 millimeters is kind of small. mm = millimeters MM = MegaMolars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: What is the second M for? There's only one M in million. Comes from Latin. “M” was for thousand and “MM” for a thousand thousands. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No. He wants $45m for the 5th year. That is the sticking point. If the Cowboys were willing to do 4 years $35m I think this would be done pretty quickly. The 5th year is the sticking point. Dak doesn't want a 5th year and the Cowboys do. Dak's side are saying "fine but I am not taking that 5th year on the basis of what yearly averages are now It is smart negotiating. I think him and his agent are overstepping a bit. I guess I can't fault them for trying but man I hope the Cowboy's don't give in. I feel like the deal they have offered Dak is more than fair. Dak is basically trying to keep his cake and eat it too. Isn't he setting the market now with a $35 million per year deal? I don't see why he should be due the $40 or $45 million in the 5th year. 1 hour ago, Estro said: Any deal Mahomes signs will look like a deal in a year or 2 as other QBs not even in the same weight class start getting close to the same $$$$. If I was Mahomes I'd be looking for a 2 year $92M deal fully guaranteed, and just keep resetting the market every 2 years That's how players in the NBA have started to work their deals. Problem is, the NFL is still the ultimate team sport. I'm not sure the same strategy would work in the NFL. But no doubt the Chiefs would basically give whatever Mahomes asked for. Hell, I could see a two year 100 million dollar deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: That really screws up your cap when the team is paying that much cash for one player. It’s the same percentage of the cap as it’s always been. I’d take Russell Wilson at $60,000,000 over Goff at $30,000,000 though. The truly elite QBs will always be way underpaid compared to the borderline franchise guys who earn 80-90% of what the top guys get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: If these QB’s get into the 50 mil range do you think they will surround their 50 mil $ man with crap O-Line? Or Crap weapons? It will definitely be the defensive side that gets hit the hardest. If they adopted the rule change next year of WR’s needing only one foot in bounds for a catch we are well on our way to seeing games in the 40 to 60 range. You're right, the defense will suffer if you pay one offensive player that much and surround him with other higher than average paid players; unless the cap goes > $200M very quickly. I wasn't aware of that proposed rule change change. I can see the plusses and minuses in this. The plus is that there is less debate about was it a legal catch. The negative is that the offense receives more preference, and yes, we will start to see more game scores in the 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 In hindsight, we should have probably drafted him. But he will be one if the few qbs who will deserve his money. the nfl needs to do something about this though. It’s a joke how much qbs who aren’t good are getting paid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I think him and his agent are overstepping a bit. I guess I can't fault them for trying but man I hope the Cowboy's don't give in. I feel like the deal they have offered Dak is more than fair. Dak is basically trying to keep his cake and eat it too. Isn't he setting the market now with a $35 million per year deal? I don't see why he should be due the $40 or $45 million in the 5th year. Well give him the 4 year contract he wants then is the simple answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 2 hours ago, alton said: 40 millimeters is kind of small. thats not what your sister said...jk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 15 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-chairman-says-patrick-mahomes-contract-extension-talks-will-begin-this-summer/ 40MM seems like a bargain if Dak gets 35. $40m seems like a bargain compared to Dak in a similar sense that we "overpaid" for Diggs compared to BOB's shenanigans. I think the NFL should adopt an NHL style individual player (at least QB) salary cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 2 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: You would know. Cold, dawg...on so many levels. ? 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Chris Simms is reporting that it's 40 billion. Put everyone in a 'Dr. Evil' suspended animation, and in ten years it will be what the long snapper makes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 54 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: In hindsight, we should have probably drafted him. But he will be one if the few qbs who will deserve his money. the nfl needs to do something about this though. It’s a joke how much qbs who aren’t good are getting paid. What is the league going to do about this? Teams don't have to pay the Jerod Goffs of the world $30M/yr. You can go out and get another QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Tbh, I don’t think Dak is worth it. They now have an adequate replacement in Dalton, so I would be playing hardball, right around now. I’m not convinced there will be much of a queue for his services from elsewhere at those numbers. I don’t blame him for trying, but he simply hasn’t shown enough to me to justify that level of deal. Good QB? Yes, in the top echelons of the NFL? No way. Probably gets into the top 10, atm, but could easily get bumped out of it by some of the guys trying to break through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, Happy said: What is the league going to do about this? Teams don't have to pay the Jerod Goffs of the world $30M/yr. You can go out and get another QB. But then you’re stuck. Goff was in the MVP conversation a couple years ago. He might not be great but it’s silly to just think any guy can just step in. I liked Dalton more than most. He’s probably the best back up in the league. But it’s a little silly to just assume he’s replace what Dak did since never has in his career. you get stuck in qb purgatory. But if you put a Goff, Tannehill, Alex Smith on the Bills, they won’t have had a 17 year playoff drought. But they aren’t really getting you anywhere long term. It’s a crappy no win situation. Josh Allen right now is not more valuable to the Bills than Tre White. Personally, I don’t think he will ever be as good at his position as Tre is at his. But he potentially could make over 2 times as much. That’s crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: But then you’re stuck. Goff was in the MVP conversation a couple years ago. He might not be great but it’s silly to just think any guy can just step in. I liked Dalton more than most. He’s probably the best back up in the league. But it’s a little silly to just assume he’s replace what Dak did since never has in his career. you get stuck in qb purgatory. But if you put a Goff, Tannehill, Alex Smith on the Bills, they won’t have had a 17 year playoff drought. But they aren’t really getting you anywhere long term. It’s a crappy no win situation. Josh Allen right now is not more valuable to the Bills than Tre White. Personally, I don’t think he will ever be as good at his position as Tre is at his. But he potentially could make over 2 times as much. That’s crazy. Never, huh? In both of their first 4 years: Dalton: 40 wins, 99TDs, 14758 yards, 2 playoff seasons Prescott: 40 wins, 97 TDs, 15778 yards, 2 playoff seasons 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: But then you’re stuck. Goff was in the MVP conversation a couple years ago. He might not be great but it’s silly to just think any guy can just step in. I liked Dalton more than most. He’s probably the best back up in the league. But it’s a little silly to just assume he’s replace what Dak did since never has in his career. you get stuck in qb purgatory. But if you put a Goff, Tannehill, Alex Smith on the Bills, they won’t have had a 17 year playoff drought. But they aren’t really getting you anywhere long term. It’s a crappy no win situation. Josh Allen right now is not more valuable to the Bills than Tre White. Personally, I don’t think he will ever be as good at his position as Tre is at his. But he potentially could make over 2 times as much. That’s crazy. Definitely lights out for Ventura College! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: But then you’re stuck. Goff was in the MVP conversation a couple years ago. He might not be great but it’s silly to just think any guy can just step in. I liked Dalton more than most. He’s probably the best back up in the league. But it’s a little silly to just assume he’s replace what Dak did since never has in his career. you get stuck in qb purgatory. But if you put a Goff, Tannehill, Alex Smith on the Bills, they won’t have had a 17 year playoff drought. But they aren’t really getting you anywhere long term. It’s a crappy no win situation. Josh Allen right now is not more valuable to the Bills than Tre White. Personally, I don’t think he will ever be as good at his position as Tre is at his. But he potentially could make over 2 times as much. That’s crazy. But again, the NFL is not going to regulate the salaries of lesser tier QBs. They will make what their teams give them, whether the team uses the Dak and Goff precedents or not. I get your point about being in QB purgatory, a number of teams will have that problem. I also don't think a Goff, Tannehill, or Alex Smith would have solved our drought problem; the coaching problem needed to be solved, first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Never, huh? In both of their first 4 years: Dalton: 40 wins, 99TDs, 14758 yards, 2 playoff seasons Prescott: 40 wins, 97 TDs, 15778 yards, 2 playoff seasons Ah, a textbook Weo argument. Don’t include turnovers, qb rating, rushing, current ages to make it look closer than it is. Because if you did that, dalton - 85 QBs rating, 66 ints, 11 rushing tds, current age 32. dak - 97 qb rating, 36 ints, 21 rushing tds, current age 26. i respect your sneakiness Weo. Almost sold it. also, I present Peyton Manning’s 1st 4 years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm ? and please don’t twist this like Dak is going to be better than Manning but the guy has been good and some of you are working real hard to discredit him. Like you do with almost every young qb (should I pull out the Mahomes training camp int thread?). If Allen comes close to Dak, we will be begging the Bulls to pay him. 1 minute ago, Happy said: But again, the NFL is not going to regulate the salaries of lesser tier QBs. They will make what their teams give them, whether the team uses the Dak and Goff precedents or not. I get your point about being in QB purgatory, a number of teams will have that problem. I also don't think a Goff, Tannehill, or Alex Smith would have solved our drought problem; the coaching problem needed to be solved, first. We went 7-9 with Trent and JP. We went 9/7 with Ej and Orton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Ah, a textbook Weo argument. Don’t include turnovers, qb rating, rushing, current ages to make it look closer than it is. Because if you did that, dalton - 85 QBs rating, 66 ints, 11 rushing tds, current age 32. dak - 97 qb rating, 36 ints, 21 rushing tds, current age 26. i respect your sneakiness Weo. Almost sold it. also, I present Peyton Manning’s 1st 4 years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm ? and please don’t twist this like Dak is going to be better than Manning but the guy has been good and some of you are working real hard to discredit him. Like you do with almost every young qb (should I pull out the Mahomes training camp int thread?). If Allen comes close to Dak, we will be begging the Bulls to pay him. Dak’s numbers vs above .500 teams is horrid. Most of Dak’s numbers comes against below .500 competition. I don’t see Dak ever winning the Cowboys a SB, he doesn’t play well vs better competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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