Rank the AFC Teams as of Now

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, eball said:

He is still learning but the rate at which he is improving is notable.

 

3 minutes ago, eball said:

I see a guy with an incredible work ethic and desire to be great, matched up with unbelievable natural talent. 

 

I will be shocked, not surprised, if the numbers aren't significantly better this year and beyond.

We mostly agree.

 

His character is great, work ethic, team player, coach ability all of that. 
 

I expect another modest improvement this season, but I don’t see a massive jump. That’s my read.

 

But the Bills FO has done everything they can to improve the talent. 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Roman is outstanding. Always have. He got run out of two spots by Head Coaches who couldn't get out of their own way. I think the Ravens are the team to beat, I really do. I acknowledge how special the Chiefs are but repeating in the NFL hasn't been done for a long time because it is really hard. If someone had a gun to my head right now and told me to name the Superbowl Champions for the 2020 season I'd say Baltimore.

The chiefs are one atrocious, non-impactful, pop warner, pre-snap penalty away from being back to back afc champs.... really hard to bet against them in the afc right now. 
 

the difference between them and the ravens this year might be if the game is played in arrowhead or not. But no matter where it is, at this point, my money is always gonna be on mahomes in January. Let’s not forget Jackson hasn’t exactly risen up to the playoff challenge as of yet. 
 

that wasn’t very analytical. But it’s what I’m sticking to. Haha. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[Trogdor]

11 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

The Jets made a lot of really smart moves in the offseason for a change. The Dolphins went big game hunting, but the Jets added a depth At key spots and built up the middle of their roster.

 

 

It's the coach for them that I don't like. They could grab the whole 49s team and lose I think. I was impressed with Flores and they have a knack for bouncing back fast.

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

The Jets made a lot of really smart moves in the offseason for a change. The Dolphins went big game hunting, but the Jets added a depth At key spots and built up the middle of their roster.

 

 

 

I think Gase is more of a problem for the Jets than their talent level. 

 

10 hours ago, Yav said:

Sorry but, until we see the Patriots stink they are still good.

 

My feeling exactly.  Keep in mind that in 2001, the Pats lost their franchise QB at the time, Drew Bledsoe, in the first game of the season.  Belichick brought in an unknown 6th round QB from Michigan and won the Super Bowl with him at the end of that season ... and won 5 more SBs over the next two decades.  In 2008, Brady was knocked out in the season opener but Belichick took the Pats to an 11-5 record with Matt Cassel.   I would not be shocked if Belichick makes Stidham/Hoyer work.

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The Bills went 10-6, scored 314 points.

 

The Ravens went 14-2, scored 531 points. We struggled with the Texans, they smoked the Texans by 34 points. They also crushed New England, a team Brandon Beane acknowledged the Bills couldn’t beat, and they also beat the 49ers. 
 

It’s just my opinion, but given their acquisitions in FA, their full compliment of draft picks, we are solidly behind them in the AFC, at minimum until Josh Allen shows a higher gear. 
 

And the Ravens got beat, pretty handily at home by Tenn in the playoffs. I think that’s foreshadowing for this year. Lamar is going to be forced to adjust, he won’t be able to play the same game as last year. 

[Talley56]

3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

And they also got beat at home in the playoffs, pretty soundly too. That reigning MVP looked pretty bad. Let’s see how Lamar does this year. 
To say the Bills aren’t in Baltimore’s league is laughable. 

Not laughable at all.  If Lamar stays healthy they are going to be a top tier team again.  But I certainly believe the Bills have gotten better and have the chance to be a top tier team.  But they have to actually prove it.  Even though the Chiefs won the super bowl the Ravens still scare me more in the regular season because I think they have a tougher defense.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

12 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Hate to tell you but McDermott is regarded as one the best coaches in the league now taking a team that missed the playoffs for 20 years to the playoffs two of the last three years and he could have like 5 jobs tomorrow if he got fired Uh you would majorly wrong Buffalo beats Ten, Houston, and Indy 

Didn’t the Bills almost beat them this year even with them going 14-2 and the roster upgrades in Buffalo are just as good as anything Baltimore did 

I never said he wasn’t regarded as one of the best coaches in the league. So is Reid, Harbaugh, and Reich. I may have been hasty in putting Ten ahead of us but they’re close imo. Houston is ahead of us for Deshaun Watson alone. The contrast of his play vs Allen’s play in the playoff game is undeniable

[Rico]

3 minutes ago, BillzMafia said:

Laughable to have the ***** Bills above the Chiefs. My lord you're a dipshit.

Only an assclown would spell Bills with a Z.

[y2zipper]

I'm probably going to be lower than most of the posts that I see here on Tennessee simply because I think Tannehill's short sample was so far outside his career numbers that they'll crash this season. 

 

Tier 1 (team I expect to get the bye): Kansas City

Tier 2 (teams I expect to make the postseason): Baltimore, Buffalo, Houston, Indianapolis

Tier 3 (Teams I expect to compete for the last 2 spots): Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tennessee, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, 

Tier 4 (Teams that won't make the postseason) Miami, New England, Denver, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, New York Jets (there are different levels of team here).

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, y2zipper said:

I'm probably going to be lower than most of the posts that I see here on Tennessee simply because I think Tannehill's short sample was so far outside his career numbers that they'll crash this season. 

 

Tier 1 (team I expect to get the bye): Kansas City

Tier 2 (teams I expect to make the postseason): Baltimore, Buffalo, Houston, Indianapolis

Tier 3 (Teams I expect to compete for the last 2 spots): Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tennessee, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, 

Tier 4 (Teams that won't make the postseason) Miami, New England, Denver, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, New York Jets (there are different levels of team here).

 

Agree on Tennessee - think you are way too low on Denver.

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

I never said he wasn’t regarded as one of the best coaches in the league. So is Reid, Harbaugh, and Reich. I may have been hasty in putting Ten ahead of us but they’re close imo. Houston is ahead of us for Deshaun Watson alone. The contrast of his play vs Allen’s play in the playoff game is undeniable

Oh please Allen outplayed him for a good part of that game and save the fact he needed a miracle play in OT to beat the Bills and the Bills by far have a better roster at just about every single position Deandre Hopkins isn’t in Houston anymore but Stefon Diggs is walking through the door in Buffalo 

[The Frankish Reich]

On 4/26/2020 at 5:51 AM, MJS said:

 

I'd drop the Browns one slot and potentially the Dolphins one slot.

 

What do people see in the Broncos? I would put them at 10. They went 7-9 last year and why should we expect them to be better? Do people have a lot of confidence in Drew Lock?

Yes, people have a lot of confidence in Drew Lock! He was really impressive in that 5 game stretch as a starter, and not just against bad teams playing out the string. Here's his second ever start:

 

14

12/08

@ HOU

W   38-24

1

1

22

27

81.5

309

11.4

3

1

1

8

136.0

3

15

5.0

0

--

--

 

And that's with a WR corps of Courtland Sutton and .... a bunch of guys who won't be on the team in 2020.

They lost a lot -- a lot! -- of close games too, which usually bodes well for a turnaround.

[billsfan89]

Hard to not rank the Bills as the number 3 team in the AFC, The Ravens had a really strong draft and kept most of their team together, The Chiefs are the champs and they should be ranked one. But out of the rest I am not sure who you would put firmly above the Bills. The Steelers are getting Big Ben back but they lost some key pieces on defense. The Pats lost their QB and have massive other issues on offense, I am not buying the Titans QB situation and skill positions, and the Texans lost their best receiver. I don’t see any other non-playoff teams from 2019 that made some sort of huge leap. 

 

The Bills have no glaring holes on the roster and they are deep at most if not all positions. They are well coached and their QB is a young ascending QB who even if he maintains his level of play from 2019 can get the Bills to 11-12 wins. I also think that not only did the Bills add Diggs to the offense but they hopefully improved the ST unit with 2 key specialists via free agency and a kicker via the draft.

 

The minimum expectations for this roster should be to win the division and win a playoff game. Anything less is a disappointment of epic proportions. Beyond that I would say that expecting a bye is hard since there is only 1 bye now and expecting a AFC title game appearance or higher is hard to do because a lot of that will be determined by matchups and injuries things that are not fully in the team’s control. 

[Sweats]

23 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

So you feel that the Texans team that barely beat the Bills in the playoffs that had Hopkins on it would beat the Bills again right now without Hopkins? I also think the Titans are taking a HUGE gamble on Tannehill repeating what he did last year. If he plays like (or slightly above) the Tannehill we saw before last year, they will struggle to make the playoffs 

 

 

 

The Texans barely beat the Bills............lol

They scored 20 points in the last 10 minutes of the game to win and we ***** the proverbially bed.

 

Listen kid........to be the man, you gotta beat the man. We've shown nothing except that we can direct our own path into the playoffs, that's it. 

Until we can beat the teams that beat us, my opinion won't change.

[MJS]

42 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yes, people have a lot of confidence in Drew Lock! He was really impressive in that 5 game stretch as a starter, and not just against bad teams playing out the string. Here's his second ever start:

 

14

12/08

@ HOU

W   38-24

1

1

22

27

81.5

309

11.4

3

1

1

8

136.0

3

15

5.0

0

--

--

 

And that's with a WR corps of Courtland Sutton and .... a bunch of guys who won't be on the team in 2020.

They lost a lot -- a lot! -- of close games too, which usually bodes well for a turnaround.

Ok, I can get behind that. But I'll have to see more from Lock. We've seen QB's have good stretches in the past and then fall off a cliff. Let's see if he can come in and keep performing.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Ok, I can get behind that. But I'll have to see more from Lock. We've seen QB's have good stretches in the past and then fall off a cliff. Let's see if he can come in and keep performing.

 

With those weapons and Fangio defense he only needs to be average. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 4/26/2020 at 8:13 AM, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Lol the Jets. 

Would have lost to them last season had their kicker not exploded .... I won’t blow off any division opponent 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

19 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Hate to tell you but McDermott is regarded as one the best coaches in the league now taking a team that missed the playoffs for 20 years to the playoffs two of the last three years and he could have like 5 jobs tomorrow if he got fired Uh you would majorly wrong Buffalo beats Ten, Houston, and Indy 

Didn’t the Bills almost beat them this year even with them going 14-2 and the roster upgrades in Buffalo are just as good as anything Baltimore did 

I don’t understand why people rank teams by who they beat in one particular game. Over and over I’ve seen “we almost beat Baltimore, so we’re as good”, yet nobody seems to say “the Browns beAt us, they must be our equal” .... point being, judge teams by the entire body of work, not on a game by game basis

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

9 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The Bills went 10-6, scored 314 points.

 

The Ravens went 14-2, scored 531 points. We struggled with the Texans, they smoked the Texans by 34 points. They also crushed New England, a team Brandon Beane acknowledged the Bills couldn’t beat, and they also beat the 49ers. 
 

It’s just my opinion, but given their acquisitions in FA, their full compliment of draft picks, we are solidly behind them in the AFC, at minimum until Josh Allen shows a higher gear. 
 

I love josh but I trying to figure out the logic that goes into the common opinion that Allen is absolutely going to improve but Jackson is suddenly going to take a step backwards 

[Success]

Pats fans have already talked themselves off the ledge from Brady leaving, and many are actually convinced that this is exactly like 2001 and that Stidham will follow the same trajectory in the years ahead.  Most are back to predicting 12-4 and owning the division again next year.

 

The coming years are going to be delightful.  

 

[Dave Allen]

On 4/26/2020 at 3:45 AM, Doc Brown said:

I'm more of a tier guy.  I think the Browns are going to be better than people think.

 

Tier 1 - Chiefs, Ravens

Tier 2 - Bills, Colts, Steelers, Browns, Titans

Tier 3 - Texans, Broncos, Patriots, Raiders, Jets, Chargers

Tier 4 - Dolphins, Bengals, Jaguars

I'd bump the Browns down to Tier 3, and bump Miami up to 3 based on their FA moves. Otherwise, rock solid. 

 

[Penfield45]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It's funny most there clearly view Darnold as the best QB in the AFC East while shitting on Allen and it's virtually the same thing but opposite here.

 

I think objectively it is pretty close. Allen has been blessed to be on the better run organization.

 

 

Darnold and Allen are pretty identical in their development right now. Allen has the slight edge bc of playoff experience and comeback wins but Darnold for now is def the better passer. 

Unless we totally improve our offense this won't be a top 3 team in the conference. 

 

idc how good our defense is, as we saw last season with the cheifs the NFL is all about offense now. how many points can you put up per game? we had a mediocre point total for a 10-6 team last season 

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Success said:

Pats fans have already talked themselves off the ledge from Brady leaving, and many are actually convinced that this is exactly like 2001 and that Stidham will follow the same trajectory in the years ahead.  Most are back to predicting 12-4 and owning the division again next year.

 

The coming years are going to be delightful.  

 

Oh you want to always see them win enough to just stay outside the top 10 so they can live in perpetual purgatory  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Dave Allen said:

I'd bump the Browns down to Tier 3, and bump Miami up to 3 based on their FA moves. Otherwise, rock solid. 

 

The Browns are really solid on offense though. 
 

Conklin and Wills added at OT, Beckham and Landry at WR, Hooper and Njoku at Tight End and Chubb/Hunt in the backfield.

 

And we’re really so sure that Josh Allen has left Baker Mayfield in the dust? Because I’m not just yet.

 

 

[B-Large]

On 4/26/2020 at 5:27 AM, GunnerBill said:

Controversial but:

 

1. Ravens - top to bottom the best roster in the NFL and a top 3 coach. Lamar can take a small step back and still have this team win 12 games. If Lamar is as good again they are potentially frightening. 

 

2. Chiefs - the best Quarterback in the NFL, and a host of weapons for him. The one weakness is their lines are not as strong as they could be. 

 

3. Bills - very solid roster, very well coached and with three players (including the Quarterback) who could be poised to really breakout. 

 

4. Steelers - their defense was legit last year and now they get Big Ben back. Well coached, good in the trenches. Slight question about weapons. 

 

5. Broncos - Vic Fangio can coach defense. And their offensive weaponary is frightening. If Drew Lock is even "decent" in his first year starting then Denver is going to win a lot of football games. 

 

6. Browns - their coaching has been upgraded and their roster was already talented. An upgraded offensive line should allow their offense to flourish. 

 

7. Titans - made the AFCCG last year but had some major losses in free agency and trades and reliant on Tannehill repeating a career year. Him regressing to the mean is more likely. 

 

8. Colts - lots are higher than me on them but Rivers looked totally done to me last season. Like their draft have a solid team. Question mark at Quarterback.

 

9. Patriots - they have one of the best secondaries in the NFL, their offensive line is strong and they have the GOAT in the headset. Quarterback and skill position players a major question. 

 

10. Texans - their roster looks like the roster of a team without a GM. It is a mess. But the one area they have got better in the last 12 months is offensive line and while they keep Watson upright they stay competitive. 

 

11. Dolphins - would expect their offensive line to be better, they have weapons and they improved their defense. Probably a year early for them to really compete a lot of it comes down to Tua. 

 

12. Raiders - looked like an ascending team the first half of 2019 but Carr remains inconsistent and I haven't loved their offseason approach. 

 

13. Jets -  they have some talent but coaching is an issue and three of their first four draft picks are big, raw, talents who will need time to develop.

 

14. Bengals - in an easier division the Bengals could make progress quickly. They had a great draft and still have some pieces in Green, Boyd and Mixon. Defense and oline remain suspect.

 

15. Chargers - two good receivers, two good pass rushers, two good corners and a swiss army knife back. Holes around that though and who plays Quarterback?

 

16. Jaguars - are they trying to reset this year or tank for Trevor? Haven't replaced like for like with the talent they lost. 

Lindsay, Gordon, Fant, Sutton, Jeudy... John Elway loves Drew Lock... my lord 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

any given Sunday. Nobody really knows what to expect this year, if there is a season. The players will lose a lot of time, reps. A lot of injuries could happen. Outside of the Chiefs and Ravens, I think any number of teams can sneak into the playoffs. Many will surprise, many will fall.

Edited April 28, 2020 by BillsRdue

[reddogblitz]

On 4/26/2020 at 5:12 PM, PetermansRedemption said:

The Patriots could have nearly anyone at QB and I wouldn’t put them top 5. A beat up Cam Newton doesn’t do it for me. The Patriots are going to be bad this year, best coach ever be dammed. 

 

let's not forget they were 13-6 with Matt Cassell, Jimmy G, and Jacoby Brissett.

 

I would love nothing more than to see them go 0-16, but I suspect rumors to their demise are greatly exagerrated.

 

Cheating helps and their case it helps a lot. Nothing has changed in that regard.

[Kirby Jackson]

31 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

let's not forget they were 13-6 with Matt Cassell, Jimmy G, and Jacoby Brissett.

 

I would love nothing more than to see them go 0-16, but I suspect rumors to their demise are greatly exagerrated.

 

Cheating helps and their case it helps a lot. Nothing has changed in that regard.

They had Moss, Gronk, etc... The Patriots were 16-0 the year before Cassel played. That was a loaded roster. This is not. They are not the same team. We need to stop remembering other players. Only 1 guy from that Cassel team is still on the roster I think (Matthew Slater). The Jets were good with Namath too. That doesn’t mean that they’ll be good now. 

[reddogblitz]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They had Moss, Gronk, etc... The Patriots were 16-0 the year before Cassel played. That was a loaded roster. This is not. They are not the same team. We need to stop remembering other players. Only 1 guy from that Cassel team is still on the roster I think (Matthew Slater). The Jets were good with Namath too. That doesn’t mean that they’ll be good now. 

 

we'll see when they play the games.  They will be a formidable opponent for the division title IMHO.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

we'll see when they play the games.  They will be a formidable opponent for the division title IMHO.

I just don’t see it. They are bad. They have the 32nd QB situation in the league. They MAY be 32nd in offensive skill players. The OL is pretty good, secondary elite and the front 7 is just okay. How does that team win games? They look like a 6 win team with that schedule. We need to stop looking at the jersey and start looking at the roster.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I just don’t see it. They are bad. They have the 32nd QB situation in the league. They MAY be 32nd in offensive skill players. The OL is pretty good, secondary elite and the front 7 is just okay. How does that team win games? They look like a 6 win team with that schedule. We need to stop looking at the jersey and start looking at the roster.

18/39 for 150 and a pick type QB situation?

[Peace Frog]

This is my talent pyramid as of today:

                                 Chiefs

                            Ravens Titans

                        Bills Patriots Steelers

                    Broncos Dolphins Jets Colts 

Bengals Jaguars Chargers Browns Raiders Texans

[BruceVilanch]

On 4/26/2020 at 3:38 AM, Golden Goat said:

1. Chiefs
2. Ravens 
3. Broncos {will be better than most think}
4. Patriots {until proven otherwise; just keeping it real}
5. Bills
6a. Titans 
6b. Texans
8. Colts 
9. Raiders
10. Chargers

Pass the joint bro!

[Golden Goat]

8 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

Pass the joint bro!

I. Do. Not. Share. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Bills ...

and whatever

 

 

[JetsFan20]

The team that I think takes a big step back this year is the Ravens. 

 

Their division is much improved (Burrow, Stefanski, Big Ben) and I think you can argue Baltimore is the third most talented team on paper.

 

1) KC-Champs and Loaded

2) TEN-Remind me of 2009/2010 Jets (built for short term success)

3) IND-Best oline in football + Rivers + Buckner on defense which will fix bad run D 

4) CLE-Loaded roster + coach who knows what he’s doing 

5) PIT-Best defense in AFC + Big Ben fixes offense 

6) BAL-Won’t catch teams off guard this year 

7) BUF-Loaded roster could jump to 2 if Allen improves 

8 )HOU-Major questions on defense. Watson keeps them competitive 

9) NE-Still coached by BB and own the best secondary in AFC and best oline in AFC E 

10) LAC-Could be this years Tennessee Titans-sneaky good roster. What do they get out of TT/Herbert?

11) OAK-Offense is stacked, but Carr is mediocre. Issues on defense 

12) DEN-Still a year away 

13) NYJ-Still a year away

14) MIA-Still a year away

15) CIN-Still a year away

16) JAX-End of the line for Dougie
 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I just don’t see it. They are bad. They have the 32nd QB situation in the league. They MAY be 32nd in offensive skill players. The OL is pretty good, secondary elite and the front 7 is just okay. How does that team win games? They look like a 6 win team with that schedule. We need to stop looking at the jersey and start looking at the roster.

 

I agree with all this but I just still can't believe they go with Stidham and Hoyer. If they do... I agree they are 6-10, maybe even worse given the schedule. But they won't I still say they won't. Andy Dalton there just makes too much sense for all concerned.

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

I love josh but I trying to figure out the logic that goes into the common opinion that Allen is absolutely going to improve but Jackson is suddenly going to take a step backwards 

 

I have been saying this about Allen vs Jackson since early last season when Jackson caught fire.  Both Allen and Jackson improved significantly from how they played as rookies but Jackson improved far more, especially in the passing game, not just versus his own rookie season but versus the norm for NFL QBs.   QBs that make the kind of improvement that Jackson made between their rookie and sophomore years don't suddenly collapse but rather continue to be top tier QBs. 

 

IMO, Jackson is the first 2018 first round QB who's solidly moved into the top tier of NFL QBs.  The only QB from the group who's a bonafide bust at this time is Rosen.  Whether he would have done better if he'd been drafted by a team other than the Cards doesn't matter at this point as he also failed in Miami.  Mayfield, Darnold, and Allen are still at the point where they could go either way.  Mayfield was disappointing last season but that may very well have been a coaching issue as with the entire team.  As others have said, Darnold and Allen are about at the same level in their development.  I think that Allen is in a better situation than Darnold  -- because he now has better talent and better coaching -- however, so I have to see him step up to become a top tier NFL QB this season.

 

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They had Moss, Gronk, etc... The Patriots were 16-0 the year before Cassel played. That was a loaded roster. This is not. They are not the same team. We need to stop remembering other players. Only 1 guy from that Cassel team is still on the roster I think (Matthew Slater). The Jets were good with Namath too. That doesn’t mean that they’ll be good now. 

 

The Pats still have Belichick, however, and as far as the Bills are concerned, he's had their number since his days as the Giants DC.  The Bills' first SB loss -- Wide Right -- was orchestrated by Belichick when the much less talented Giants stymied the mighty Bills in a defensive battle.  The last two decades have just been one horror story after another with Belichick in Foxborough.  The Jets and the Fins have had significantly more success against Belichick than any of the Bills regimes have had, including the current one.   I'm not trumpeting the death of the Pats under Belichick as a force in the AFCE until I actually see their corpse.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by SoTier

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

The Pats still have Belichick, however, and as far as the Bills are concerned, he's had their number since his days as the Giants DC.  The Bills' first SB loss -- Wide Right -- was orchestrated by Belichick when the much less talented Giants stymied the mighty Bills in a defensive battle.  The last two decades have just been one horror story after another with Belichick in Foxborough.  The Jets and the Fins have had significantly more success against Belichick than any of the Bills regimes have had, including the current one.   I'm not trumpeting the death of the Pats under Belichick as a force in the AFCE until I actually see their corpse.

 

 

 

 

That’s kind of the point. We’ve been so traumatized we are unable to objectively view them. It’s like we’ve been in an abusive relationship and too paralyzed to see it. BB is the greatest ever but he can’t go out there and score points for them. This is a bad roster. They may win 6 games BECAUSE of his greatness. If Rex was coaching that talent they’d have a shot at the 1st pick. 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[eball]

36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s kind of the point. We’ve been so traumatized we’ve are unable to objectively view them. It’s like we’ve been in an abusive relationship and too paralyzed to see it. BB is the greatest ever but he can’t go out there and score points for them. This is a bad roster. They may win 6 games BECAUSE of his greatness. If Rex was coaching that talent they’d have a shot at the 1st pick. 

 

That's the clinical definition of BBFS.