Texans sign Laremy Tunsil to huge extension

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I would be pissed if we paid Dawkins a 15 mil a year average. Dawkins is NOT a top 15 LT and probably shouldn’t even be playing the position. 

So true Ktulu.  He can walk after this year if he keeps playing soft like the marshmellow man.  You pay big money to great players.  Is Laremy Tunsil even any good?  We seem to have gotten a lot of pressure from the outside on Deshawn Watson in last years playoff game.  BOB runs that team like he is playing Monopoly.  

 

Does Tunsil still smoke weed out of the gas mask?  I guess BOB is Ok with his choice of paraphanelia.  

[JimKellyTryouts]

How to become a multi-millionaire in three simple steps:

 

1. Gas mask

2. ???

3. $$$$$$$

[Buddo]

Realistically @Augie, we know that Belichick wouldn't have put himself in that position.

 

I also think that one of his strengths as a coach is how cold blooded he is about things. When it's time for a change, there is no sentiment involved. It also helps him with the GM hat on.

 

I agree he doesn't draft that well, but he drafts a lot by the numbers, or rather 'type'. Where he gets away with his drafting, is that as the coach, he knows exactly what he wants from a player he drafts.

 

You are correct that he isn't under any real pressure as regards his job, and that does make things a lot easier. Wasn't always that way though, and his relative security is a function of having done the job well in the first place.

 

Having said all of that, Belichick is probably the exception that proves the rule, and BOB will become a prime exemplar of why the two positions should be seperate.

 

I think we are very lucky to have Beane and McDermott, who sing from the same hymn sheet, yet are prepared to argue things out, without throwing toys out of the pram.

 

 

[Putin]

1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Just crazy money, now Dawkins price tag just went up so is he worth that?

I like Dawkins as a player and even more as a person , but I don’t think he’s a dominant LT and I don’t believe he’s getting anything even close to that 

[stuvian]

Bob must have gotten a Covid bailout

[BillsVet]

I now believe Belichick deliberately never taught BOB a thing.  Probably exiled him from all personnel decisions meetings.

 

 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

If I were Beane, I would draft a tackle or two next year before I paid Dawkins anything in that range. I might even take one this year if it falls the right way in round 2 or 3. Dawkins isn’t elite, Ford has lots of room to improve, and Nsekhe is older and was hurt much of last year.

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Dawkins is smiling 

Looks like we might be drafting an OT at 54...?

[TC in St. Louis]

This could have a huge impact on the draft.  I think it's good to find out today rather than after the draft.  At least Beane knows the market has blown up.  We may end up drafting a guy and grooming him, and trading Dawkins next year.  Hell, we went through this with Jason Peters, but he pretty much forced our hands.  We signed him after the draft, developed him, and he moved on.

 

Dawkins seems like a good dude, though. I think he likes being on our team.  

 

Perhaps the rest of the league will recognize the Tunsil deal as an insane aberration.

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Bill O'Brien is a hazard.  He needs to be tarred and feathered.  Isn't Watson coming up on his big payday soon?  O'Brien is going to have a top heavy team.  What is wrong with that ownership group letting him continue to make awful decisions?

Edited April 24, 2020 by purple haze

[billsfan89]

That is a bit crazy (although I am more so shocked at the guarantee not that much at the aav) but Larry had the Texans over a barrel. They trade a haul for him and he is a critical component to their O-line (It was a lot better this season) given that Larry cost them 2 firsts and a 2nd they weren't going to let him go anywhere. 

[Motor26]

10 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said:

This could have a huge impact on the draft.  I think it's good to find out today rather than after the draft.  At least Beane knows the market has blown up.  We may end up drafting a guy and grooming him, and trading Dawkins next year.  Hell, we went through this with Jason Peters, but he pretty much forced our hands.  We signed him after the draft, developed him, and he moved on.

 

Dawkins seems like a good dude, though. I think he likes being on our team.  

 

Perhaps the rest of the league will recognize the Tunsil deal as an insane aberration.

Yeah he likes it here, but if someone wants to pay him significantly more than the Bills value him, I don’t think it would be hard for him to learn to like that new team. 

[hjnick]

22Mil/yr... only 3 years long? 

 

What was the highest OT contract before this one???  Wasn't it 15 MIL/yr?

[Nester]

insane to pay this guy that much with all his penalty problems.

 

I get that he is good, but 14 false starts....17 over all, next is 15 then drops to 12.

 

Texans are done for a decade.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Nester said:

insane to pay this guy that much with all his penalty problems.

 

I get that he is good, but 14 false starts....17 over all, next is 15 then drops to 12.

 

Texans are done for a decade.

Hughes had 3 sacks on him in the playoffs 

[Sherman]

Did Mahomes already extend in KC?  If not he should definitely wait until Bill O’Brien negotiates with Watson. 

[Phil The Thrill]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wish I could say he wont get that much money, but he isn't far off from the player Tunsil is.   If Tunsil got 22 million a year, Dawkins could easily get 21.5

 

No clue why the Texans thought they needed to add 5.5 million to the biggest LT contract already in the NFL.   Really screwed a lot of other teams by setting the market that high.

Is Tunsel really that much better than Dawkins?  If he is it’s marginal.  I think Dion gets the same money whether It’s the Bills or another team

[wvbillsfan]

I’m not a capologist but how can you pay a left tackle and an qb at the same time and be any good
 

So Left tackle and corner are now 20 million dollar a year positions? How in the world does Beane sign Tre and Dawkins to deals that could be in the 20 million a year range?

 

 

[Penfield45]

3 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Dawkins is smiling 

 

lmao Dawkins isn't anywhere near as good as Tunsil 

 

 

[thenorthremembers]

30 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Is Tunsel really that much better than Dawkins?  If he is it’s marginal.  I think Dion gets the same money whether It’s the Bills or another team

Tunsil has made the Pro Bowl, but to your point, no he isn't that much better than Dawkins that the money will be that far off.

[aristocrat]

insane money. 

[thenorthremembers]

2 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

lmao Dawkins isn't anywhere near as good as Tunsil 

 

 

I mean Tunsil had double the penalties Dawkins did last year, Houston's line gave up almost a sack and a half more than Buffalo last year, while averaging less yards a game rushing...but Tunsil was drafted before Dawkins so you're probably right.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said:

This could have a huge impact on the draft.  I think it's good to find out today rather than after the draft.  At least Beane knows the market has blown up.  We may end up drafting a guy and grooming him, and trading Dawkins next year.  Hell, we went through this with Jason Peters, but he pretty much forced our hands.  We signed him after the draft, developed him, and he moved on.

 

Dawkins seems like a good dude, though. I think he likes being on our team.  

 

Perhaps the rest of the league will recognize the Tunsil deal as an insane aberration.

if the thought is top qbs around 40m per within a year or so is a LT at 22 really an insane aberration for long?

[KD in CA]

W.T.F.

 

Absurd $

[BullBuchanan]

I would easily trade Dawkins rather than give him anything close to that. $12.5M is my max. He's just an average starter and a lot of quality LTs are on cheaper deals.

[Freddie's Dead]

Raise your hand if you thought this guy was worth a damn after the gas mask video?  Good for him.  BOB is an idiot, and we lost to him.  Jesus.

[TroutDog]

6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wish I could say he wont get that much money, but he isn't far off from the player Tunsil is.   If Tunsil got 22 million a year, Dawkins could easily get 21.5

 

No clue why the Texans thought they needed to add 5.5 million to the biggest LT contract already in the NFL.   Really screwed a lot of other teams by setting the market that high.

Because...Texans? ? 

[Scorp83]

Another reason why Bill O'Brien is a cancer to the league...he needs to be stopped!

[Orlando Tim]

The money is insane- how do you make a line work with one guy who makes that? 

[NoSaint]

11 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

The money is insane- how do you make a line work with one guy who makes that? 

it’s a big jump from the last guy to be tops but it’s still like 2/3 of what qbs are making and in line with top pass rushers. 
 

if considering LT the elite position it long was, it’s not that far out of line with some benchmarks you’d expect around a roster despite being likely a bigger jump than expected in his own position group.

[apuszczalowski]

18 hours ago, Doc said:

All but $8M guaranteed?  Good luck with that.

 

 

I'll bet Tunsil threatened to hold out.  BOB is coaching for his job this year and that would have killed it.

You realise your talking about BOB here, he may be coaching for his job but he isn't doing anything based on trying to save his job. He's just not very good at his job does what he wants......

[Mountain Man]

18 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wish I could say he wont get that much money, but he isn't far off from the player Tunsil is.   If Tunsil got 22 million a year, Dawkins could easily get 21.5

 

No clue why the Texans thought they needed to add 5.5 million to the biggest LT contract already in the NFL.   Really screwed a lot of other teams by setting the market that high.

Its post the new CBA. It looks like its being assumed the salary cap will jump massively when the percentage going to players changes

[Mr. WEO]

41 minutes ago, Mountain Man said:

Its post the new CBA. It looks like its being assumed the salary cap will jump massively when the percentage going to players changes

 

It goes from 47% of revenue to 48%.  Max of 48.8% if TV contract value rises by 120%.  It's some, but not massive.

 

 

Best part is that Tunsil forced this awful deal on BOB without an agent.  Totally played him twice (no extension when signed, crazy guarantees for a LT).

 

I don't see Dawkins getting 21.5 million by this organization. 

[first_and_ten]

20 hours ago, KGun12TD said:

Damn It, Bob!!!

 

What about Bob ?

2 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

You realise your talking about BOB here, he may be coaching for his job but he isn't doing anything based on trying to save his job. He's just not very good at his job does what he wants......

 

What will he pay Watson? $50 mil?

[plenzmd1]

20 hours ago, Doc said:

All but $8M guaranteed?  Good luck with that.

 

 

I'll bet Tunsil threatened to hold out.  BOB is coaching for his job this year and that would have killed it.

Well, technically would not have been a holdout, just that he would not sign tag

 

20 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

3 years is an extremely short term contract for a 25 year old tackle. I'm curious how this will effect the overall market as most players sign for longer term and more overall money, but a lower AAV. 

New way contracts for the good players are being structured. Whats happening is the players started to understand the 5 year deals were for the most part 3 year deals, with the last two being  really being club options. And they got massive signing bonuses in lieu of the last two years being guaranteed..so i was never one to complain when they would get cut and people would whine it was not fair..players had to honor contract, but not clubs. Hog wash, everyone understood the structure and why it was . Now i am talking 2nd contracts, not rookie deals. Management was happy with that arrangement, as were agents..deals looked bigger!

 

But players have gotten smarter, and it really was Sammy a couple years back started the trend. Take a 3 year deal, most of it guaranteed, much smaller signing bonus, get another crack at the apple with a big pay day while you are still under 30. Smart for the players. All this trend has really done is knock out the club option.