FireChans Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Let’s look at the facts. Both players benefitted from STAR OT’s in college. Both players benefitted from STAR WR’s. Tua has even better players than Johnny. If the Emperor loses his clothes, is he really just a Johnny Manziel without the cool nickname? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Let's hope. But I think Manziel's problem was his own mind rather than a lack of talent. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Interesting point. I think that *barreled over by Bama fans* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassHog Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 From any report I have ever seen of Tua, everyone says he is a really great guy. So no, he is not Manziel 2.0 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, MJS said: Let's hope. But I think Manziel's problem was his own mind rather than a lack of talent. Well said. Manziel was a head case and his own worst enemy. Just one dumb thing after another. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Tua is not a party boy who is going to waste his career. But he may be a brittle lump of dust under the Bills D. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I do not see Tua ending up like Manziel. If anything I could a see career path like Bradford or Locker where injuries shorten or derail the career. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 He's Manziel with a glass body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: Tua is not a party boy who is going to waste his career. But he may be a brittle lump of dust under the Bills D. How do we know how Tua will react living in South Beach? Without his overbearing Dad to make his decisions for him, he could go wild there. Add in the 13 on the Wonderlic, and there's at least some risk that this could end up like Marinovich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Absolutely not. Tua can actually read a defense, look off defenders, and is the exact opposite character wise. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, MJS said: Let's hope. But I think Manziel's problem was his own mind rather than a lack of talent. that, and his lack of talent. 22 minutes ago, H2o said: Absolutely not. Tua can actually read a defense, look off defenders, and is the exact opposite character wise. but comes with injuries instead. id rather take tua, but not scared of him in the division either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, FireChans said: Let’s look at the facts. Both players benefitted from STAR OT’s in college. Both players benefitted from STAR WR’s. Tua has even better players than Johnny. If the Emperor loses his clothes, is he really just a Johnny Manziel without the cool nickname? There will only ever be one other Johnny Manziel and that's Billy Vegas Edited April 24, 2020 by ProcessAccepted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Manziel wasnt a professional. He partied his way out of the league. Tua wont do that imo. Maybe he gets hurt, most likley he is a hard worker and becomes a good player. Manziel was all potential no work ethic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) There is no comparison, in my opinion. The writing was on the wall with Johnny ‘$’. That was never Tua. He’s a team guy and isn’t made of glass: he always played to win a’la Josh...not a bad thing. Edited April 24, 2020 by TroutDog 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I don’t see it. Tua is sober and a committed student of the game where as Johnny football was hammered and didn’t bother showing up for film sessions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I don’t think he’s elite. It helps having 3 NFL WRs and an offensive line and he still couldn’t stay healthy. He’s a good prospect but I have a lot of questions about him too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 55 minutes ago, FireChans said: Let’s look at the facts. Both players benefitted from STAR OT’s in college. Both players benefitted from STAR WR’s. Tua has even better players than Johnny. If the Emperor loses his clothes, is he really just a Johnny Manziel without the cool nickname? Manziel was a total piece of garbage in college. I thought it was clear back then, he had a high bust factor. One thing I always ask is, "how will this guy handle a crapload of money and freedom?" I thought Manziel was likely to handle it badly. There is nothing about Tua to suggest he is in that same category. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Tua is already ahead just by not being a POS human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Bills fans worried about Tua already? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I doubt it. Think he's gonna be a quality player. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Durable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 No one in his family or even him seemed happy to be a Dolphin. 11 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Bills fans worried about Tua already? Not worried about players made of glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, MassHog said: From any report I have ever seen of Tua, everyone says he is a really great guy. So no, he is not Manziel 2.0 So was Marcus marriota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Manziel wasnt a professional. He partied his way out of the league. Tua wont do that imo. Maybe he gets hurt, most likley he is a hard worker and becomes a good player. Manziel was all potential no work ethic. Right but the dudes point was that he looked better on the field because he had Evans as a star target. It’s a fair question about tua. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, DallasBillsFan1 said: Durable? Good question. Who really knows? I'm guessing there was nothing wrong during his physical. Of course he could get injured, or otherwise disappoint. But I seriously doubt, if he fails, it will be ANYTHING like Johnny Football's embarrassing career. Sometimes I don't think people think for even 2 minutes before they post. (Not you, the OP) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Tua if healthy will be a Star. Stud receivers or not he was very accurate since he was a True freshman. He is special but we don’t know if he will be able to stay healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Right but the dudes point was that he looked better on the field because he had Evans as a star target. It’s a fair question about tua. Tua just had 2 of his receivers go in the top 15. Bamas Oline is always stout. It is a fair question. Its easy to look good when you have a great team around you....ie Tebow. Not to mention his past injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, The Dean said: Manziel was a total piece of garbage in college. I thought it was clear back then, he had a high bust factor. One thing I always ask is, "how will this guy handle a crapload of money and freedom?" I thought Manziel was likely to handle it badly. There is nothing about Tua to suggest he is in that same category. flip side of this conversation is can you picture him with a work ethic? he still would’ve been undersized and lacking arm talent the OP should’ve picked a different guy given johnnys SPECTACULAR flame out but even without that he was a real long shot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Right but the dudes point was that he looked better on the field because he had Evans as a star target. It’s a fair question about tua. Manziel failing at a Qb is 1000% on the effort he put into being a NFL qb. It has 0.0000% to do to the talent he played with. Edited April 24, 2020 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I don’t think so.... I have a feeling that Tua is going to be really good. Maybe not next year but I think he has a chance to be a great career and I wasn’t happy to see Miami draft him. I think Bills fans are sleeping on Tua and underestimating his potential. The kid is a player 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: flip side of this conversation is can you picture him with a work ethic? he still would’ve been undersized and lacking arm talent the OP should’ve picked a different guy given johnnys SPECTACULAR flame out but even without that he was a real long shot I don't completely disagree with that. But quite honestly, I'd probably be very cautious with any "short" QB. Obviously they can be good. (Brees, Wilson for sure. Maybe Mayfield and Murray.) But to me, it's like having a batter come to bat with a strike or two already on the board. I actually love the way Tua plays but still have some lingering doubts, given his size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 This is such a weird comparison.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bangarang said: This is such a weird comparison.. Bills fans are just looking for whatever they can to rip on Tua because he’s in the division. It’s the same as the people who say Gilmore is trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Tua is actually good, so no. He is def. not Johnny Football 2.0 He isn't the next Joe Montana...but please don't compare him to Johnny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleBills Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Really? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 54 minutes ago, The Dean said: I don't completely disagree with that. But quite honestly, I'd probably be very cautious with any "short" QB. Obviously they can be good. (Brees, Wilson for sure. Maybe Mayfield and Murray.) But to me, it's like having a batter come to bat with a strike or two already on the board. I actually love the way Tua plays but still have some lingering doubts, given his size. im the same way on the height (or a variety of issues). Might start you in a hole but rarely are individual items hard line disqualifiers. that said, we have the best qb in the division this year even if I’m not 100% sold on josh long term. I’ll take that all day. We will see with the others but tua and Darnold don’t feel like hall of famers to me. As long as we don’t have another Brady for awhile I’m all good with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Bigger, taller, faster, more accurate, played in far more pro style sets, and not a head case. Oh yeah, Tua won big games. There is absolutely nothing similar between the two QBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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