BisonMan Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 With all the discussion about Diggs (rightfully so) and how good our WR group is compared to those around the league, I think Dawson Knox is not getting his due. I think Knox, with just one year in the NFL, is set for a breakout season. We quickly forget that he didn't get many balls thrown to him in his college career. He caught just 15 passes and 0 TDs behind a complete stud WR corp at Old Miss. The Bills recognized this diamond in the rough but, I think, also realized that he wouldn't become a solid catching TE in his first season. Nonetheless, I think he had a great rookie year (28 catches and 2 TDs). He was 15th in the league in yards per reception. Did he drop a bunch of catches? Yes. According to Fox Sports, he was 3rd in drops with 10 (~25% drop rate, yikes). However, it's not like he had a lot of opportunities in game time situations in his career. If Knox can clean up the drops this year along with having a much stronger receiving corp, Knox is likely to have a breakout year. Instead of off-season workouts, the Bills should just ship him 25 footballs and this: 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BisonMan said: With all the discussion about Diggs (rightfully so) and how good our WR group is compared to those around the league, I think Dawson Knox is not getting his due. I think Knox, with just one year in the NFL, is set for a breakout season. We quickly forget that he didn't get many balls thrown to him in his college career. He caught just 15 passes and 0 TDs behind a complete stud WR corp at Old Miss. The Bills recognized this diamond in the rough but, I think, also realized that he wouldn't become a solid catching TE in his first season. Nonetheless, I think he had a great rookie year (28 catches and 2 TDs). He was 15th in the league in yards per reception. Did he drop a bunch of catches? Yes. According to Fox Sports, he was 3rd in drops with 10 (~25% drop rate, yikes). However, it's not like he had a lot of opportunities in game time situations in his career. If Knox can clean up the drops this year along with having a much stronger receiving corp, Knox is likely to have a breakout year. Instead of off-season workouts, the Bills should just ship him 25 footballs and this: I get what you're saying about Know not having a lot of opportunities at Ole Miss but then again maybe they didn't throw to him much because they knew he had hands of stone. The problem might simply be that he lacks hand-eye coordination and that's virtually impossible to teach. I'm not going to rush to judgment on a rookie but the drops are concerning. He's not getting any love from me - beyond the love I give all players in a Bills uni - until he proves he can be a reliable target for Josh. Edited March 25, 2020 by hondo in seattle 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I'm eager to see what kind of improvement Knox makes this season. He has made it his personal goal not to drop any passes this season. I'll believe that when I see it, but I do think one can improve in that area with work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I came here for a heartwarming story about Seymour Knox and was disappointed.......... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I get what you're saying about Know not having a lot of opportunities at Ole Miss but then again maybe they didn't throw to him much because they knew he had hands of stone. The problem might simply be that he lacks hand-eye coordination and that's virtually impossible to teach. I'm not going to rush to judgment on a rookie but the drops are concerning. He's not getting any love from me - beyond the love I give all players in a Bills uni - until he proves he can be a reliable target for Josh. It usually looked like he took his eye off the ball and started looking up field. Josh has a cannon so that probably didn’t help when he took his eye off the ball. For now I’m hopeful he can improve. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Do your job - catch the ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I get what you're saying about Know not having a lot of opportunities at Ole Miss but then again maybe they didn't throw to him much because they knew he had hands of stone. The problem might simply be that he lacks hand-eye coordination and that's virtually impossible to teach. I'm not going to rush to judgment on a rookie but the drops are concerning. He's not getting any love from me - beyond the love I give all players in a Bills uni - until he proves he can be a reliable target for Josh. I think the primary reason Knox didn't get any targets in college was due to the WR corp at Ole Miss. He was playing with DK Metcalf and AJ Brown and Ole Miss ran a vertical passing game focused on those guys. Knox we just a decoy. Both WRs appear to be studs in the NFL already. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Adam sux Knox N Diggs.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Until he's a consistent guy why does he deserve love over and above the hope he does better this year? Players come and go based on performance. Play well and I'll love you, play ok and I admire you, play poorly and I don't care if you play here ever again. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: It usually looked like he took his eye off the ball and started looking up field. Josh has a cannon so that probably didn’t help when he took his eye off the ball. For now I’m hopeful he can improve. I hope you're right about him taking his eye off the ball because that is correctable. He looked like Gronk on that catch and run versus Cinci. I'm hoping plays like that define his career, not his drops. Edited March 25, 2020 by hondo in seattle 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Avon Lake now Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: I came here for a heartwarming story about Seymour Knox and was disappointed.......... I thought it was about Chuck Knox who resurrected the Bills in the late 70s and traded OJ for a bunch of picks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Dude is a waste of thumbs. Might as well donate them to Honduran children without thumbs or some other similar charitable organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ I LOVE YOU , MAN!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: It usually looked like he took his eye off the ball and started looking up field. Josh has a cannon so that probably didn’t help when he took his eye off the ball. For now I’m hopeful he can improve. I feel like that was what I saw. I know he had some catches that looked spectacular. Occasionally, he looked like the best playmaker on the team. I'm expecting a marked improvement this season. Edited March 25, 2020 by Rocky Landing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I remember he had that big catch in the bengals game that changed the entire tone of the game. It went from "same ol bills" choking a lead against an inferior opponent, to the new bills who can take care of business. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) As far as drops goes, there was a stat I saw recently (I'll see if I can find it), but nearly all the top tight ends had pretty atrocious drop rates *(Cook, Ebron, Mark Andrews, Kelce). It's surprising. Keep throwing to him! He's a budding star, IMO. Edited March 25, 2020 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said: Until he's a consistent guy why does he deserve love over and above the hope he does better this year? Players come and go based on performance. Play well and I'll love you, play ok and I admire you, play poorly and I don't care if you play here ever again. He deserves love because he also possesses a skill set very few TE's in the league have. Yes the drops are concerning, but he also made 3 or 4 pretty amazing plays throughout the year too that very few others could have made. Likely will know by the end of this season as will be given every opportunity to flourish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: He deserves love because he also possesses a skill set very few TE's in the league have. Yes the drops are concerning, but he also made 3 or 4 pretty amazing plays throughout the year too that very few others could have made. Likely will know by the end of this season as will be given every opportunity to flourish. Just one time can someone post a picture of a pro athlete with an ugly wife or GF! How about pretty wife, ugly girlfriend? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dopey said: How about pretty wife, ugly girlfriend? I'm in my 60's she looks pretty good to me! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I'm not worried about Knox. He made some filthy catches last year, he has the hands. I think it's more of a concentration issue. He'll work it out. If he does, he could be special. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: As far as drops goes, there was a stat I saw recently (I'll see if I can find it), but nearly all the top tigh ends had pretty atrocious drop rates. Kelce leads them all, coincidentally. Keep throwing to him! He's a budding star, IMO. Kelce dropped 5.9% of his targets and had 8 total drops versus 97 receptions Knox dropped 20% of his targets and had 10 total drops versus 28 receptions. It's not remotely close. Knox was a drop machine last season - an easy winner of the NFL's 2019 "Hands of Stone" award. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2019&week=100&category=RECEIVING&opp=0&sort=10&qualified=0&sortOrder=0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Kelce dropped 5.9% of his targets and had 8 total drops versus 97 receptions Knox dropped 20% of his targets and had 10 total drops versus 28 receptions. It's not remotely close. Knox was a drop machine last season - an easy winner of the NFL's 2019 "Hands of Stone" award. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2019&week=100&category=RECEIVING&opp=0&sort=10&qualified=0&sortOrder=0 I know, I had to correct my post. Drops in relation to targets it's not even close. https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232 Edited March 25, 2020 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I’ll love Knox when he consistently catches the ball ... it’s really that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: He deserves love because he also possesses a skill set very few TE's in the league have. Yes the drops are concerning, but he also made 3 or 4 pretty amazing plays throughout the year too that very few others could have made. Likely will know by the end of this season as will be given every opportunity to flourish. Just one time can someone post a picture of a pro athlete with an ugly wife or GF! Well, there is Pegs caught in a creepy Uncle Joe moment, perhaps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: The problem might simply be that he lacks hand-eye coordination and that's virtually impossible to teach. I'm not going to rush to judgment on a rookie but the drops are concerning. He's not getting any love from me - beyond the love I give all players in a Bills uni - until he proves he can be a reliable target for Josh. If you look at his targets, it's pretty easy to see he actually has great hand-eye coordination. He made some very difficult catches this year - tight window, DB hands in his face, pulling on his arms etc. The drops he made were usually uncontested catches where he had room to turn and run. They're a focus problem, not a hand-eye coordination problem. 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Love for Knox? You got it. 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 He should get lots of opportunities. With the WR core, him, Singletarry, and Josh's ability to run... this team can be a nightmare for opposing Ds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Seriously, I see potential but does there really need to be a thread like this? Show us something, kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I get what you're saying about Know not having a lot of opportunities at Ole Miss but then again maybe they didn't throw to him much because they knew he had hands of stone. The problem might simply be that he lacks hand-eye coordination and that's virtually impossible to teach. I'm not going to rush to judgment on a rookie but the drops are concerning. He's not getting any love from me - beyond the love I give all players in a Bills uni - until he proves he can be a reliable target for Josh. Since when is it impossible to teach hand-eye coordination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 He had 10 drops on like 30 targets (small exaggeration). He's a liability, until he proves he's not. I hope he makes us all eat crow, but let's not go out and start buying Jerseys just yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Some love for Knox? Sure... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I have high hopes for him. Ole Miss threw mostly to speed guys on quick slants or go’s so TE’s didn’t get much love. I appreciated, when he was on OBL recently, where he owned the drops and talked about the work he’s putting in. Also, as has been said a zillion times here, pass catchers take time to adjust to the NFL. This kid will be great. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you look at his targets, it's pretty easy to see he actually has great hand-eye coordination. He made some very difficult catches this year - tight window, DB hands in his face, pulling on his arms etc. The drops he made were usually uncontested catches where he had room to turn and run. They're a focus problem, not a hand-eye coordination problem. wow plays and mind numbing drops but it was year 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Great discussion but it's way too early to be giving Knox love. He has great potential and obviously needs to improve. This season will tell us a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Knox is exciting and I love the guy. Easy to root for and a beast with the ball. He's got to get better and stop dropping the easy ones. I think he will. I'm expecting big improvement because he now has a year in the system, a year with the QB, and will be in an offense that will have more weapons. I'm glad the FO resisted the temptation to go with a FA number one TE. I think one big way for sustained success is when draft choices are peppered throughout the starting lineup. I think Knox will be one of those, he just needs the chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The angry run was good stuff. Needs to work on catching the ball first. Makes hard catches but drops the easy ones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampton Josh fan Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I am a Knox fan. I love his ability to stretch the field and get yac and break tackles. This season he must improve blocking skills and fix the drops. I believe in this player and if Kroft plays up to expectations now healthy, the TEs will be a strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I love Knox but he might be a year away from being a truly good complete TE. I think he is more consistent and has less bone headed drops in year two. But I still think his play is very up and down in year 2. He is a good athlete and worth the snaps and playing time to develop. But I think anyone expecting him to look like a top elite TE or anywhere close to a pro-bowl caliber TE is diluting themselves. Knox as good of an athlete as he is, was also super raw coming out of college. I think that it was always going to be year 3 for him if he is going to blossom. I wish they had found a way to get a vet TE in there to split the snaps year one, I guess they have faith in Kroft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you look at his targets, it's pretty easy to see he actually has great hand-eye coordination. He made some very difficult catches this year - tight window, DB hands in his face, pulling on his arms etc. The drops he made were usually uncontested catches where he had room to turn and run. They're a focus problem, not a hand-eye coordination problem. 100% agree. He was always looking to run up field, and taking his eyes off the ball for his drops. his hands are not the issue, like you say. which is good as far as coachability is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 hours ago, babulator said: He had 10 drops on like 30 targets (small exaggeration). He's a liability, until he proves he's not. I hope he makes us all eat crow, but let's not go out and start buying Jerseys just yet. His ability to run people over is fun but if he can't catch the damn ball he's worthless. Even Jack's grandson could catch the ball. This will be a make or break season for Knox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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