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Just now, TwistofFate said:

The Bills just sent the Vikings four picks, including a first-rounder, to acquire Diggs. Those picks are worth 21.9 points on Chase Stuart's draft value chart, which is something close to the eighth overall pick in a typical draft.

 

http://www.footballperspective.com/

This has been discussed, it's more like the 18th pick. Show anyone who has ever dropped from 8 to 22 by just gaining a 4th, 5th, and 6th. It's never happened. 

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Just now, H2o said:

This has been discussed, it's more like the 18th pick. Show anyone who has ever dropped from 8 to 22 by just gaining a 4th, 5th, and 6th. It's never happened. 

True story.

 

Whoever said that value would work is a moron

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1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

The Bills just sent the Vikings four picks, including a first-rounder, to acquire Diggs. Those picks are worth 21.9 points on Chase Stuart's draft value chart, which is something close to the eighth overall pick in a typical draft.

 

http://www.footballperspective.com/

And once again, NO ONE WOULD MAKE THAT TRADE. The value of those picks are around pick 18. If you think I'm wrong, try finding a trade that would be similar values.

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1 minute ago, Watkins101 said:

And once again, NO ONE WOULD MAKE THAT TRADE. The value of those picks are around pick 18. If you think I'm wrong, try finding a trade that would be similar values.

 

Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!!

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It costs what it costs.  Bills fans are going to need to adjust to the new paradigm that is 'win now mode'.  This team should be a top 5 AFC team easily next year and likely top 3 now that Houston has imploded.  Enjoy the ride and don't worry about the cost.  You'll cross that bridge when it comes.

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1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

 

Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!!

 

Imagine thinking a couple of Day 3 picks is all it takes to trade up into the top 10 from the bottom of the round. Nonsense. 

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2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

 

Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!!

Charts are all well and good as a guideline, but it’s not the real world. No way you’re getting in the top ten from 22 without giving up a lot more than what the Bills gave for Diggs. They also have a 3rd year QB and can’t wait solely on a 1st round wideout to develop. It’s a good trade, and a fair one. They certainly didn’t steal Diggs, but the fact that Hopkins isn’t calling a new AFC team his home speaks volumes here. 

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49 minutes ago, Doc said:


How many targets did he have in those games?

 

7, 5, 6, 5, 9, 9.

 

In the 4 yard game he had 5, the 49 yard game 6, the 25 yards game 9.

 

You can extrapolate to what the numbers "work out to for a season", but he was held to under 50 yards 7 times in 15 regular season games.  4 total catches for 19 and 57 yards in 2 playoff games.  

 

 

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The one thing I will say is that the Bills appear to be aware of Allen’s strengths and shortcomings and are building around that by adding wideouts who are strong at gaining separation over clunky clashers that need targets in tight windows. 

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13 minutes ago, Watkins101 said:

If it is the value of the picks, then there clearly would be trades, as that is how markets work. 

Look at recent comps for real world value, not someone’s chart. There are many charts out there and they’re simply a guideline or starting point. Markets also change , they’re not static. Go into a real estate deal and say “ the chart says it should cost X” and see where it gets you. 

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3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Look at recent comps for real world value, not someone’s chart. There are many charts out there and they’re simply a guideline or starting point. Markets also change , they’re not static. Go into a real estate deal and say “ the chart says it should cost X” and see where it gets you. 

Oh I realize this completely, I'm not arguing for one nonsensical chart.

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3 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. 


:wallbash:

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said:

 

Draft picks past the third round have almost no value.  

 

I can build an All Time team with picks that have happened after the third round.

 

Tom Brady and Terrell Davis were 6th round picks and both were the very best the sport had to offer during their time.

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3 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. 

For the trillionth time posted on this forum, Hopkins went for a 2nd because BOB felt like crafting the worst NFL trade in maybe decades.

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5 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. 

 

You do realize that BOB was never trading Hopkins within the AFC, don't you?

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5 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. 

This doesn’t deserve an explanation , 

 

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33 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

Even with considerable restructuring we would still retain around 80M to make decisions on our next round of UFA's plus look at new players.

Lots of expiring contracts in the next 2 years so, we have the ability to blow everything up with no cap issues, or keep almost everyone, or remake the roster and splurge on other big signings

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Maybe it's just me, but almost as soon as it's done I stop thinking about trade values and all that.  Whether this was a good deal for one side or the other will be clear in three years.

 

In the meantime, what matters is how the Bills look going forward from here.  

 

For starters, think about the fact that as a rookie in 2018, Josh Allen was throwing to Zay Jones, Kelvin Benjamin, Robert Foster and Charles Clay.   In 2020, he's going to be throwing to Stefon Diggs, John Brown, Cole Beasley and whichever TE emerges.  (Frankly, with Diggs on board, I'm not sure it matters who the tight end is; if he knows how to run routes, he is going to get open.)  

 

Bills probably still need help at linebacker, on the edge and on the offensive line, as well as a running back.   They will pick up that help in the remainder of free agency and in the draft.   

 

I think the opportunity to get Diggs was too big to pass up, for one reason:  there are very few players you can get who make your team better at three positions.   The Bills now have a considerably better #1 than they had a year ago (Diggs), a considerably better #2 than they had a year ago (Brown) and a considerably slot receiver than they had a year ago (Beasley).   There aren't any positions where you can get that ripple effect.   One acquisition to improve three positions makes Diggs worth paying for.  

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17 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. 

Cause the Texans GM is really a coach and he must think very highly of David Johnson.  Can't compare the trades when a player is involved.

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21 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. 

This is exactly why we need an ANGER emoji in the reactions.  Wow

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2 hours ago, JohnC said:

I don't know if anyone else posted this WGR Howard and Jeremy interview with a former WGR host who now works in Minnesota. He gave a glowing commentary about Diggs's talent and production. He made the observation that Diggs is a high intensity player and personality. This link is 15 min. If someone else posted this link I apologize for the redundancy. 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/03-17-matthew-coller-from-skor-north-in-minnesota-on-stefon-diggs

Coller knows his stuff. That was an amazing review from someone who covered him and is not a shill or blowhard and knows the game. Extremely encouraging. 

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26 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said:

 

Draft picks past the third round have almost no value.  

 

Not true at all esp with how McBeane likes to trade up and finds quality players. However mid-round picks (4th and 5th round) have solid value. Lots of quality role players and starters are found in those rounds. 

 

24 minutes ago, Mopreme said:

Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. 

 

The Texans made a bad trade because their coach is also the GM and didn't get along with Hopkins. Other teams weren't that stupid. The Vikings weren't giving up Diggs for peanuts because the Texans were stupid. 

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29 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

So you are aware Diggs was a 5th round pick.  As was Tyreek Hill.

 

 

We still have a 5th and 6th. 

They will struggle to make the roster though now on a pretty loaded , deep team. I'm shocked any Bills fan being opposed to this trade , it was fair compensation

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