H2o Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, TwistofFate said: The Bills just sent the Vikings four picks, including a first-rounder, to acquire Diggs. Those picks are worth 21.9 points on Chase Stuart's draft value chart, which is something close to the eighth overall pick in a typical draft. http://www.footballperspective.com/ This has been discussed, it's more like the 18th pick. Show anyone who has ever dropped from 8 to 22 by just gaining a 4th, 5th, and 6th. It's never happened. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, H2o said: This has been discussed, it's more like the 18th pick. Show anyone who has ever dropped from 8 to 22 by just gaining a 4th, 5th, and 6th. It's never happened. True story. Whoever said that value would work is a moron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: The Bills just sent the Vikings four picks, including a first-rounder, to acquire Diggs. Those picks are worth 21.9 points on Chase Stuart's draft value chart, which is something close to the eighth overall pick in a typical draft. http://www.footballperspective.com/ And once again, NO ONE WOULD MAKE THAT TRADE. The value of those picks are around pick 18. If you think I'm wrong, try finding a trade that would be similar values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Watkins101 said: And once again, NO ONE WOULD MAKE THAT TRADE. The value of those picks are around pick 18. If you think I'm wrong, try finding a trade that would be similar values. Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Now lets get Melvin Gordon. Nice 1-2 punch with Singletary! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, TwistofFate said: Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!! But it isn't by any chart except that jank site you posted. Every other chart puts the value between 16 and 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 It costs what it costs. Bills fans are going to need to adjust to the new paradigm that is 'win now mode'. This team should be a top 5 AFC team easily next year and likely top 3 now that Houston has imploded. Enjoy the ride and don't worry about the cost. You'll cross that bridge when it comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, TwistofFate said: Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!! If it is the value of the picks, then there clearly would be trades, as that is how markets work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!! It's completely inaccurate is the point my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!! Imagine thinking a couple of Day 3 picks is all it takes to trade up into the top 10 from the bottom of the round. Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!! Charts are all well and good as a guideline, but it’s not the real world. No way you’re getting in the top ten from 22 without giving up a lot more than what the Bills gave for Diggs. They also have a 3rd year QB and can’t wait solely on a 1st round wideout to develop. It’s a good trade, and a fair one. They certainly didn’t steal Diggs, but the fact that Hopkins isn’t calling a new AFC team his home speaks volumes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, boater said: Now it's all up to Josh. ...fix that deep ball! Yep, that's the big "fix" needed this season. If it happens "Katie bar the door" for the AFC East rivals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 49 minutes ago, Doc said: How many targets did he have in those games? 7, 5, 6, 5, 9, 9. In the 4 yard game he had 5, the 49 yard game 6, the 25 yards game 9. You can extrapolate to what the numbers "work out to for a season", but he was held to under 50 yards 7 times in 15 regular season games. 4 total catches for 19 and 57 yards in 2 playoff games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 Not including: Croom, Klein or Matakevich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) The one thing I will say is that the Bills appear to be aware of Allen’s strengths and shortcomings and are building around that by adding wideouts who are strong at gaining separation over clunky clashers that need targets in tight windows. Edited March 17, 2020 by Reed83HOF 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: If it is the value of the picks, then there clearly would be trades, as that is how markets work. Look at recent comps for real world value, not someone’s chart. There are many charts out there and they’re simply a guideline or starting point. Markets also change , they’re not static. Go into a real estate deal and say “ the chart says it should cost X” and see where it gets you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Somebody know what the 2021 cap looks like after the events of the past 24 hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Look at recent comps for real world value, not someone’s chart. There are many charts out there and they’re simply a guideline or starting point. Markets also change , they’re not static. Go into a real estate deal and say “ the chart says it should cost X” and see where it gets you. Oh I realize this completely, I'm not arguing for one nonsensical chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Somebody know what the 2021 cap looks like after the events of the past 24 hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Even with considerable restructuring we would still retain around 80M to make decisions on our next round of UFA's plus look at new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 45 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Once again its the VALUE of the picks!!!! Draft picks past the third round have almost no value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said: Draft picks past the third round have almost no value. So you are aware Diggs was a 5th round pick. As was Tyreek Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said: Draft picks past the third round have almost no value. I can build an All Time team with picks that have happened after the third round. Tom Brady and Terrell Davis were 6th round picks and both were the very best the sport had to offer during their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. For the trillionth time posted on this forum, Hopkins went for a 2nd because BOB felt like crafting the worst NFL trade in maybe decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. You do realize that BOB was never trading Hopkins within the AFC, don't you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, freddyjj said: So you are aware Diggs was a 5th round pick. As was Tyreek Hill. Absolutely, now go look through the vast majority of 4-7 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. This doesn’t deserve an explanation , 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I was lukewarm to the trade. Sure it's good. But I just read that the other suitor was New England. Now I like the trade a whole lot. #### blocking a competitor is always fun & games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Even with considerable restructuring we would still retain around 80M to make decisions on our next round of UFA's plus look at new players. Lots of expiring contracts in the next 2 years so, we have the ability to blow everything up with no cap issues, or keep almost everyone, or remake the roster and splurge on other big signings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Maybe it's just me, but almost as soon as it's done I stop thinking about trade values and all that. Whether this was a good deal for one side or the other will be clear in three years. In the meantime, what matters is how the Bills look going forward from here. For starters, think about the fact that as a rookie in 2018, Josh Allen was throwing to Zay Jones, Kelvin Benjamin, Robert Foster and Charles Clay. In 2020, he's going to be throwing to Stefon Diggs, John Brown, Cole Beasley and whichever TE emerges. (Frankly, with Diggs on board, I'm not sure it matters who the tight end is; if he knows how to run routes, he is going to get open.) Bills probably still need help at linebacker, on the edge and on the offensive line, as well as a running back. They will pick up that help in the remainder of free agency and in the draft. I think the opportunity to get Diggs was too big to pass up, for one reason: there are very few players you can get who make your team better at three positions. The Bills now have a considerably better #1 than they had a year ago (Diggs), a considerably better #2 than they had a year ago (Brown) and a considerably slot receiver than they had a year ago (Beasley). There aren't any positions where you can get that ripple effect. One acquisition to improve three positions makes Diggs worth paying for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. Cause the Texans GM is really a coach and he must think very highly of David Johnson. Can't compare the trades when a player is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. This is exactly why we need an ANGER emoji in the reactions. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, JohnC said: I don't know if anyone else posted this WGR Howard and Jeremy interview with a former WGR host who now works in Minnesota. He gave a glowing commentary about Diggs's talent and production. He made the observation that Diggs is a high intensity player and personality. This link is 15 min. If someone else posted this link I apologize for the redundancy. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/03-17-matthew-coller-from-skor-north-in-minnesota-on-stefon-diggs Coller knows his stuff. That was an amazing review from someone who covered him and is not a shill or blowhard and knows the game. Extremely encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said: Draft picks past the third round have almost no value. Not true at all esp with how McBeane likes to trade up and finds quality players. However mid-round picks (4th and 5th round) have solid value. Lots of quality role players and starters are found in those rounds. 24 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Can someone explain why Hopkins basically goes for a second and Bills give up a first round pick for this guy? Hopkins is elite. This doesn’t seem right at all. The Texans made a bad trade because their coach is also the GM and didn't get along with Hopkins. Other teams weren't that stupid. The Vikings weren't giving up Diggs for peanuts because the Texans were stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Redskins and Patriots were also trying to trade for Diggs. That didn't help keep the compensation down. https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Stefon-Diggs-couldve-come-been-traded-Washington-Redskins-145121047/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, freddyjj said: So you are aware Diggs was a 5th round pick. As was Tyreek Hill. We still have a 5th and 6th. They will struggle to make the roster though now on a pretty loaded , deep team. I'm shocked any Bills fan being opposed to this trade , it was fair compensation 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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