BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I know it’s been reported that we’re letting Philips go, hate to see that but I understand the business side of that. Although I have read that Beane stated that he is going to work on keeping Lawson for the long term. What kind of contract you think is fair to give to Shaq Lawson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 years, 32 mill has been the going rate. If an NFL team wants to give him more.................... thank you for your services Shaq. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: 4 years, 32 mill has been the going rate. If an NFL team wants to give him more.................... thank you for your services Shaq. I hope he doesn’t leave he’s really turned it around, thought he was a bust in the beginning but he’s really turned it around and became a leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Wow. How many threads does this make? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Personally I think Lawson is gone. Contract year performances are always a concern. Hope I am wrong because I love the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, HOUSE said: Personally I think Lawson is gone. Contract year performances are always a concern. Hope I am wrong because I love the guy I’d hate to lose him, although your right the contract year performance is concerning somewhat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 43 minutes ago, njbuff said: 4 years, 32 mill has been the going rate. If an NFL team wants to give him more.................... thank you for your services Shaq. ...Beane may let him test.....and with stupid money abound, no way to predict what offers are out there....4 years, $32 mil would be a nice pay day......how much are you willing to guarantee?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Personally I think Lawson is gone. Contract year performances are always a concern. Hope I am wrong because I love the guy I think the thing that lends me some confidence is the 2nd half of the prior year he played really well. Everyone was so hung up on him being a “bust” at that point they missed his strong performance. He’s never going to be elite but he’s a really, really solid football player. He’s the EXACT type of guy that the Patriots always have. He doesn’t excel at one thing but he does everything pretty well. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Beane may let him test.....and with stupid money abound, no way to predict what offers are out there....4 years, $32 mil would be a nice pay day......how much are you willing to guarantee?..... I think McBeane wants Lawson back and they might front load the contract. I also think Lawson is the only one of Buffalo's UFA's they try to bring back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: I think the thing that lends me some confidence is the 2nd half of the prior year he played really well. Everyone was so hung up on him being a “bust” at that point they missed his strong performance. He’s never going to be elite but he’s a really, really solid football player. He’s the EXACT type of guy that the Patriots always have. He doesn’t excel at one thing but he does everything pretty well. ...a fair and accurate assessment.....so....was the option decline a wake up call?.....or with the decline, was this a "I'm showing up in my contract year" which rarely happens in the NFL (COUGH)?....think keeping the kid in the fold at the right price is a smart move IMO........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...a fair and accurate assessment.....so....was the option decline a wake up call?.....or with the decline, was this a "I'm showing up in my contract year" which rarely happens in the NFL (COUGH)?....think keeping the kid in the fold at the right price is a smart move IMO........ I think that he’s just a guy who started to understand who he was. There is always pressure as a 1st round rusher to rack up sacks. That’s not who he is (although he can be a 10 sack guy). I think once he became comfortable in his own skin he turned a corner. If they could hand Shaq the same deal Murphy got it’s an easy decision IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think that he’s just a guy who started to understand who he was. There is always pressure as a 1st round rusher to rack up sacks. That’s not who he is (although he can be a 10 sack guy). I think once he became comfortable in his own skin he turned a corner. If they could hand Shaq the same deal Murphy got it’s an easy decision IMO. Eh, Shaq is in the no mans’ land of players for me. Nice guy, nice player to have, but not worth what he’ll command. His production can be had by a cheaper player, and he commands too much to be a rotational player on this defense. Luckily, we have so much space this year it won’t matter. But theoretically, he would be a guy I wouldn’t pay if building a team from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Last year Lawson was easily the best DE on the team. This year could be the last year for both Hughes and Murphy, I'd keep Shaq around. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Last year Lawson was easily the best DE on the team. This year could be the last year for both Hughes and Murphy, I'd keep Shaq around. I don’t think we get rid of Hughes yet, Murphy is definitely a goner though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I hope that they can retain Lawson. I think he is a good starting De (not great, but good) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Wow. How many threads does this make? Lost count eons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I think 3 years - $28M is where the Bills would like to be on a Shaq Lawson extension. I think 4 years - $50M is where Shaq Laswon would love to be. If allowed to hit the open market I could see a Lawson contract coming in around 4 years - $44M Seems like too much, probably is too much, but there are so many teams that have a ton of cap space I think some avg. to slightly above avg. players are going to get some nice contracts this yr in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Spotrac estimates his value at 4 years, $30.75M (approx $7.6M AAV). I’m good with that ballpark. Much more and I’d look elsewhere for his replacement. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/shaq-lawson-18967/market-value/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 My whole thing is he’s gotten better every year.. Mostly with young free agents you kind of know what you’re getting and hoping they might progress in your program. With Shaq he may not have peaked yet. 5 more sacks this season and this guy is getting in the ballpark of Yannick and clowney money. Someone will absolutely pay for a player on an upward trajectory each of his first 4 seasons. He has injury history, but he’s versatile playing both end spots. Just my own opinion and I’ve mentioned it before but it really had the look to me that Shaq found a gear he didn’t know he had. All of a sudden the “light came on” Add in the fact that his first couple years he mostly only played one end spot. The last two years he’s rotating in to Hughes side and he’s actually a really good pass rusher from that side. The Baltimore game was all I needed to see to say I wanted him back even at a high cost. In today’s NFL where almost all quarterbacks have legs you need a guy like shaq.I urge those who may not have paid attention in that game to go rewatch shaq on defense. He was a monster and one of the biggest reasons Lamar didn’t look like an mvp against us. He held contain and Lamar panicked multiple times when that side wasn’t open to run. I would also add Watson ain’t getting all those rush yards in the playoff game to bring them back had shaq been healthy and in the game. I also noticed a bit of a trend this season in some games. Opening drives opposing teams marched right down the field on us multiple times. Then the D settled in. Is it coincidence Shaq generally didn’t come in until the second series? I believe it would be a huge loss for this defense to let him walk without an in house replacement already there to take over. This isn’t Jordan Phillips with Ed Oliver waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 hours ago, frostbitmic said: Last year Lawson was easily the best DE on the team. u trying to make Jerry mad? 4 hours ago, njbuff said: 4 years, 32 mill has been the going rate. If an NFL team wants to give him more.................... thank you for your services Shaq. That’s decent value for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 6 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I know it’s been reported that we’re letting Philips go, hate to see that but I understand the business side of that. Although I have read that Beane stated that he is going to work on keeping Lawson for the long term. What kind of contract you think is fair to give to Shaq Lawson? The Bills will let Jordan Phillips test free agency. It's likely that somebody will overpay him, but if they don't, it's possible he might work out a deal with Buffalo. With Ed Oliver as a potential star in the making at the 3 tech spot, it just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to sign Jordan Phillips to the big money deal he wants. I think Shaq Lawson may warrant a bigger contract from the perspective of the Bills. Jerry Hughes, being an older player, is probably being thought of as only a short term player for the Bills going forward. On the other side, Trent Murphy certainly hasn't given any evidence that he's going to be a significant presence for the Bills, and it is not certain the Bills are even going to keep him. Shaq was pretty productive as a pass rusher last season, and my be the Bills' best run defender from the defensive end position. He's young enough that he may still have some upside. I'm far from an expert on NFL salary levels. I don't think Shaq deserves a top to salary at the position, but maybe top 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 12 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I hope he doesn’t leave he’s really turned it around, thought he was a bust in the beginning but he’s really turned it around and became a leader My only concern is that he just happened to peak in his free agency year. I could see him losing his motivation after signing his big contract. If they resign him, I hope the contract is incentive based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I predict he remains a Buffalo Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 13 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Wow. How many threads does this make? Are we talking quantity or quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think the thing that lends me some confidence is the 2nd half of the prior year he played really well. Everyone was so hung up on him being a “bust” at that point they missed his strong performance. He’s never going to be elite but he’s a really, really solid football player. He’s the EXACT type of guy that the Patriots always have. He doesn’t excel at one thing but he does everything pretty well. and it’s: injury year essentially rookie year big jump very solid year so maybe he came on a few games late but I think it’s a unique case given his first season. Not a standard 3 year flop with a tiny spike right at the end 1 hour ago, longtimebillsfan said: My only concern is that he just happened to peak in his free agency year. I could see him losing his motivation after signing his big contract. If they resign him, I hope the contract is incentive based. did you think it was lack of motivation prior to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I'm not convinced his improved performance was due to a contract year as much as him improving as a player with excellent coaching. Aren't you always playing for your next contract on your rookie deal regardless of how many years you have left on it? McBeane has more insight into what Lawson is made of mentally so I'll trust their judgment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Keeping Lawson over Jordan Phillips is the smart move. It's been hard for a lot of fans (myself included) to get over that initial first impression of him being hurt in his rookie year and not producing initially, but he's been a sneaky good/underrated player for a while now. He's an excellent run defender and brings a lot of juice/hustle to the defense while posting reasonable sack numbers. Any contract at $8 million AAV or less as others have predicted is good with me. While I like the guy and his comeback story, Phillips on the other hand is not worth anywhere near the money he's about to get paid. All-22 analysis has shown that many of his sacks were the result of great coverage in the secondary and he's also pretty woeful against the run for someone his size. If he wants to come back for $5 million AAV or less, it's worth discussing, but I don't expect that to be the case. Some other team is going to see the double digit sack total at the DT position and back up the truck for him which I'd predict will look foolish in a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: u trying to make Jerry mad? That’s decent value for him. If it lights a fire in him, yes. He really hasn't been the same player the past couple of years. I really believe that this coming season will be his last in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, NoSaint said: and it’s: injury year essentially rookie year big jump very solid year so maybe he came on a few games late but I think it’s a unique case given his first season. Not a standard 3 year flop with a tiny spike right at the end did you think it was lack of motivation prior to this? No one know what goes on in a player's mind. Just looking at Shaq's career, it should be considered a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 19 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I know it’s been reported that we’re letting Philips go, hate to see that but I understand the business side of that. Although I have read that Beane stated that he is going to work on keeping Lawson for the long term. What kind of contract you think is fair to give to Shaq Lawson? Not real sure exactly where he fits as far as production for his position, he has shown improvement each year & i think or should i say hope he hasn't hit his ceiling yet & will live up to (in the future) his draft status but to this point i'm not sure where his number as far as a contract might fit with his production . But i do hope that Beane & his team can come up with a number that Shaq & his team can agree on because he has shown he can be a good player even if he stays at the production level that he is at now . But if he hits FA there's no telling what kind of number another team will see him at & that might be like it is with Phillips a lot more than Beane & company see him at ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I think you let Shaw test the market and see what he gets. He’s not somebody you overpay for but if you get him for $7M-$8M he’s somebody worth bringing back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I think you let Shaw test the market and see what he gets. He’s not somebody you overpay for but if you get him for $7M-$8M he’s somebody worth bringing back. I think Shaw66 is a quality poster and not be allowed to hit FA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) He just tweeted: ?? Edited March 13, 2020 by Heitz 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Also his Instagram..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Shaq coming back ?! Bills getting everything locked up before free agency 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillsMafi$ said: Shaq coming back ?! Bills getting everything locked up before free agency Shaq and Kirksey next please. Then sign a DT in free agency. Edited March 13, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Steptide said: Also his Instagram..... 7 minutes ago, Heitz said: He just tweeted: ?? You guys know he has no other NFL pictures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 What I like about Shaq was his fire when he took on Fournette. That incident turned that game around and ever since then I appreciated his work. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Hardhatharry said: You guys know he has no other NFL pictures. Yes, doesn't necessarily mean he's re signing, but the timing of the posts is suspect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Hardhatharry said: You guys know he has no other NFL pictures. Yeah, but I take the "4L❤" as "For Life" so hopefully meaning an extension is about to be announced. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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