BillsCuse Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: McDermott knows the Josh Norman of 4 years ago. 4 years is an eternity in the NFL. It's longer than most careers. Can we slow down on this? Normans skills/abilities have no doubt regressed. The question is does he have anything left to be something of value to the Bills and not be an extreme liability like he was in Washington. My thought process is no. I definitely understand what you are saying. This signing isn't exciting by any means, I just don't think it's horrible either. He will compete for the #2 spot and if he's not good enough, he will be depth. Im really interested in the full details of the contract. Haven't seen the guarantees yet, so if those are low, he can still get cut. Beane has been smart structuring some of these contracts, hopefully it's the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I didn't think this was the type of guy who would take the cheap, one year deal to be the second banana, but if anyone can get him to behave and produce it's McD. And if he does regain anything close to his old form, our secondary will be stellar. Low risk, high upside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Ewww. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 https://youtu.be/6OZmpjs9KcA https://youtu.be/6OZmpjs9KcA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Last years first FA signing was Spencer Long.. My expectations for Norman are about the same- low .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 hours ago, DCOrange said: A little high considering his last couple seasons, but it's a one year deal and we have money to burn so who really cares? 1/4 on the free agent signings I feel pretty confident about, though this was easily the one I was most confident in. You’re a little high?? Cuz the contract isn’t. A.) Its cheap, actually. B) we have a gazillion dollar$ to spend C) he’s a Vet with knowledge of the system D.) it ain’t Your money. So yeah, you’re a little high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 No big deal to me one way or another, I will defer to McBeane to do the right thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Clemfield2622 said: i'm not saying he is going to come to Buffalo and have it be 2015 all over again, but it is pretty widely known that moving to a man to man system was the biggest factor in his drop off. he isn't going to be asked to do that any more. low risk move IMO. Except that at times, to shut down the run more effectively, haven't we played man at times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, ngbills said: Which is my response to the "I trust McD and Beane, they know Norman". They knew a bunch of the other duds. And Rivera knows Norman as do many other coaches. Well that takes work... Rivera does know him and knows he’s not a fit for their defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: You’re a little high?? Cuz the contract isn’t. A.) Its cheap, actually. B) we have a gazillion dollar$ to spend C) he’s a Vet with knowledge of the system D.) it ain’t Your money. So yeah, you’re a little high. This is the dumbest argument. So if the bills sign a backup level player to 12 mil a year because "it aint my money" i have no right to question it, or be skeptical of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Sign of the times: 11 pages and counting over a guy who might not even make it out of training camp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 If Mac and Beane think this guy is anything like he was when he played for Carolina, they'll surely regret this move. Norman became a joke with the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 This move indicates to me that they think they are close and are going for it this year. They have the cap room and at a moderate cost they can bring in Norman and see if he has 1 good year left in him in a scheme in which he thrived. When a team does well, it's the type of move the pundits look back on and talk about how brilliant it was. As a ton of others have said they probably have it structured so if Norman gets to camp and he's done, they release him. If they were willing to part with McCoy, they will do it with Norman too. You have to take chances. The Patriots have done it all the time, Antoine Smith, Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Albert Haynesworth, Antonio Brown, Revis, some work out, some don't but when you manage your salary cap and draft well it allows you to take calculated risks. That's the spot the Bills are in now, plenty of cap space, draft picks and no onerous commitments with current players, and with a 1 year deal there are no long term ramifications if it doesn't work out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: This is the dumbest argument. So if the bills sign a backup level player to 12 mil a year because "it aint my money" i have no right to question it, or be skeptical of it? That’s correct. NOW you’re getting it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: This is the dumbest argument. So if the bills sign a backup level player to 12 mil a year because "it aint my money" i have no right to question it, or be skeptical of it? Did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Rivera does know him and knows he’s not a fit for their defense What kind of defense does Jack del Rio run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah, I'm going to lean on the side of Beane and McDermott....you know, two guys that know Norman's game inside and out and how he will fit into the Bills scheme. This. McD knows exactly what he can get from Norman, so signing him means the Bills are adding an important piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) I don’t get how anyone has a problem with this. He did well in McDermotts system and they’ve done really well evaluating and bringing in vets for depth in our schemes. Also it’s 6 million dollars in a position we needed depth in. I guess some people just aren’t comfortable unless they’re complaining about something. Edited March 9, 2020 by Bobby Hooks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: If Mac and Beane think this guy is anything like he was when he played for Carolina, they'll surely regret this move. Norman became a joke with the Redskins. Maybe it wasn't Norman. Maybe it was Manusky. My only thing about this is bringing in a CB for $6M with Poyer under contract for $2.7M salary this year (and publically feeling underpaid) has to seem a bit like a smack in the face to JP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 lmao at people trying acting like they know defense better than McDermott 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: If Mac and Beane think this guy is anything like he was when he played for Carolina, they'll surely regret this move. Norman became a joke with the Redskins. Who hasn’t become a joke with the Redskins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Did they? No but if im not allowed to question this Norman deal than what am i allowed to question? I need to know. I don't think Norman is very good, and having him on the field will hurt this defense more than it helps. I don't care what the contract is, I don't think he is good and him on the filed will be bad for the defense. But im not allowed to state that because "its not my money" . He had one good year, 5 years ago. 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: lmao at people trying acting like they know defense better than McDermott I've never said that but please continue with your wide brush strokes. Ive siad, i question whether Norman has anything left. i question why one of the worst CBs in the league the last few years is all of the sudden thought to be good because he played with McD 5 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Not the player he once was but definitely an upgrade over Wallace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I highly doubt that they are giving him a $6m a year contract that could go to $8m a year with the intention that he will be a “backup” DB. Thats not to say that he will be the starter but reason does stand under scrutiny that they are offering that contract to play arguably one of the most important positions as a starter. No front office will always get it right but I think they have earned the right when it comes to picking good players at the DB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I dont love or hate the signing. Its a lets kick the tires on the guy deal like Vontae Davis. What I dont like is: 1. Must be a great deal since McD knows him. That does not mean he is good. 2. We have money to spend so who cares. I care if means we dont sign someone else. For example, Norman + Kroft = $12+M or Norman + Murphy = $16M. For either of those figures you could have a top TE like Hooper or Henry; Top WR; Top De. So do you take a rookie CB + Hooper, Henry, Green, Cooper, Yannick, Clowney or Norman + Kroft or Murphy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 we've had good success with previous carolina players....kelvin benjamin, star lotulelei, Wide Receiver Kaelin Clay, Safety Dean Marlowe umm...wait....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Trogdor said: You mean until the penalties cost a game. He isn't exactly the most stable or team oriented player. Hopefully he just quietly improves our DB2, but chances are they grab someone else too. No, I mean as a Davy veteran, placed in the correct situations, who starts hawking some balls and gets the rest of the team pumped. I have faith McD and Frazier understand his abilities and will accentuate his positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What kind of defense does Jack del Rio run? For coverage he runs Man/cover 1. Puts a lot of stress on the secondary and requires a lot of talent to pull it off. Simple concepts though Edited March 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, papazoid said: we've had good success with previous carolina players....kelvin benjamin, star lotulelei, Wide Receiver Kaelin Clay, Safety Dean Marlowe umm...wait....lol There we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Old. Best days are way gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, Lurker said: Sign of the times: 11 pages and counting over a guy who might not even make it out of training camp... The times being that of an excited fan base that feels its team on the verge of something big and are champing at the bit to get the new season started...... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dopey said: There we go. Yep. All the 'stable genius' types are coming out of the woodwork... Edited March 9, 2020 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, CountDorkula said: He was statistically one of the worst CBs in the league and had his attitude and effort questioned. I understand it was a bad situation, but the player didn't help his case. Genuinely curious. What does this statement mean? What do you have against Norman? A lot of people don't like him because he talks smack and gets in people's face. Is this your issue with him? Do you see him as a bad influence? Because I can't think what else you could mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Until I see 2 things I cannot b to upset over the report. 1st thing - He actually is signed 2nd thing - the Real contract that is signed not the early media reports (likely coming from an agent to drum market) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: No but if im not allowed to question this Norman deal than what am i allowed to question? I need to know. I don't think Norman is very good, and having him on the field will hurt this defense more than it helps. I don't care what the contract is, I don't think he is good and him on the filed will be bad for the defense. But im not allowed to state that because "its not my money" . He had one good year, 5 years ago. I've never said that but please continue with your wide brush strokes. Ive siad, i question whether Norman has anything left. i question why one of the worst CBs in the league the last few years is all of the sudden thought to be good because he played with McD 5 years ago. Yes because of course picking up a former pro bowl player corner for 6 million equivocates to totally irresponsible spending on a player for 12 million i totally see the correlation air you should be outraged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: 2nd thing - the Real contract that is signed not the early media reports (likely coming from an agent to drum market) Curiously absent so far is any word on guaranteed money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: lmao at people trying acting like they know defense better than McDermott Fans might not know defense but just like watching Gore you know when a player has lost it or is starting to lose it. I like Norman but he has definitely started the decline. I trust Beanie and McD but it will be interesting to see where Norman fits in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Maybe it wasn't Norman. Maybe it was Manusky. My only thing about this is bringing in a CB for $6M with Poyer under contract for $2.7M salary this year (and publically feeling underpaid) has to seem a bit like a smack in the face to JP. Safeties historically don't get paid as much, though. It's just the nature of the position. It's one of the lowest paid positions in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, Lurker said: Curiously absent so far is any word on guaranteed money... I don't think there is much otherwise I am sure it would have been leaked as well. That gets leaked more then the well an get to 8M based on incentives does. Most of the times when I see these leaks that have the can grow to as part of the leak then the initial deal isn't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: I don't think there is much otherwise I am sure it would have been leaked as well. That gets leaked more then the well an get to 8M based on incentives does. Most of the times when I see these leaks that have the can grow to as part of the leak then the initial deal isn't that good. Yep. If this news is coming from the agent, the absence of any word on guarantees is very telling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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