Could Lions Be interested In Tua?

[OldTimer1960]

Detroit currently has pick 3 sitting behind Washington at 2.  There are rumors, denied by Lions, that they are talking about trading Matt Stafford.  Might the Lions want to swap picks with Washington and take Tua?  I know that Miami has far more trade assets, but if Washington wants Chase Young, they could trade down 1 spot, say for Detroit's 1 & 2 and still take Young.

 

This is just complete speculation on my part and a bit of wishing to keep Miami from getting Tua.

Edited February 18, 2020 by OldTimer1960

[BruceVilanch]

16 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Detroit currently has pick 3 sitting behind Washington at 2.  There are rumors, denied by Lions, that they are talking about trading Matt Stafford.  Might the Lions want to swap picks with Washington and take Tua?  I know that Miami has far more trade assets, but if Washington wants Chase Young, they could trade down 1 spot, say for Detroit's 1 & 2 and still take Young.

 

This is just complete speculation on my part and a bit of wishing to keep Miami from getting Tua.

Not sure where I read it because it's to off season and there are a million articles, but I saw an article stating that the fins aren't enamored with Tua like everyone else and they are higher on Herbert. I am at work right now and will link the article if I find it. 

[Doc Brown]

Lions show "interest" in Tua.  Miami hearing this and makes the Redskins an offer they can't refuse to move to #2 to pick Tua.  Lions draft Chase Young at #3.

 

[thenorthremembers]

23 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Lions show "interest" in Tua.  Miami hearing this and makes the Redskins an offer they can't refuse to move to #2 to pick Tua.  Lions draft Chase Young at #3.

 

Exactly.   I have a strong feeling the Lions ownership isnt going to be real high on allowing the current GM and Coach to trade away their quarterback and draft a guy with a broken hip only to be fired by the end of the season.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Never really understood the logic there.  Happened was it 2 or 3 years back when the Bears traded up for Tribitsky one spot.  If Washington wants Young, then why does Detroit need to trade up and give up picks, let them take Young and then you grab who you want a #3.  Could someone else trade with Washington and then grab Tua, sure, but then Washington is likely losing out on Young as likely the Lions would grab Young or trade with another team  who'd want him at #3.   

 

So why would Detroit give up assets to move up one pick when very likely they will get the guy they want at #3 anyway.  Would only make sense if Washington didn't want Young, but even then whomever they do want could be gone by the time they do pick unless they are looking for many multiple picks in return.

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Never really understood the logic there.  Happened was it 2 or 3 years back when the Bears traded up for Tribitsky one spot.  If Washington wants Young, then why does Detroit need to trade up and give up picks, let them take Young and then you grab who you want a #3.  Could someone else trade with Washington and then grab Tua, sure, but then Washington is likely losing out on Young as likely the Lions would grab Young or trade with another team  who'd want him at #3.   

 

So why would Detroit give up assets to move up one pick when very likely they will get the guy they want at #3 anyway.  Would only make sense if Washington didn't want Young, but even then whomever they do want could be gone by the time they do pick unless they are looking for many multiple picks in return.

because if you need a qb and think you see your guy it’s much better to definitely get him than to very likely get him

[SoCal Deek]

If I’m the typical Lions fan I’ve got to scratching my head. They’ve had and paid their QB for years and years now and still....nothing! Something has to happen to shake things up.

[JetsFan20]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

If I’m the typical Lions fan I’ve got to scratching my head. They’ve had and paid their QB for years and years now and still....nothing! Something has to happen to shake things up.

Except Stafford is a good QB (top 8-15) and not the issue. There is no guarantee Tua will even be as good as Stafford so it’s an incredible risk. 
 

The only way I would make this decision is if I truly felt Stafford would walk away from the sport in a year two (possible given his injury history and the fact he’s made a ton of $ in his career).  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Lions interested in Tua?  Of course!  With that questionable hip, the pride can separate him from the pack, and a few swipes of a paw makes him brunch.  Toss in a wildebeest for dessert.  ?

[Dr Doom]

I have been saying this for a month now. Draft Tua, and let Stafford play this year while he heals. They would be crazy not to at least consider it

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Lions show "interest" in Tua.  Miami hearing this and makes the Redskins an offer they can't refuse to move to #2 to pick Tua.  Lions draft Chase Young at #3.

 

You make a great point and I think you are exactly correct.  Detroit needs serious help on defense.  They don't have a lot of picks to spend to move up.  What better way to have the effect of moving up to get your guy without actually moving up?  All they have to do is convince Steven Ross and his band of football idiots that they are serious about making this move. Then Miami needs to make Washington a crazy offer that they can't refuse. The result for the Bills would be positive.  Burning up some extra draft picks to get a guy that would probably be there for Miami anyway.  Tua appears to be an injury machine and it doesn't bother me if he ends up in Miami.

[hjnick]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Lions show "interest" in Tua.  Miami hearing this and makes the Redskins an offer they can't refuse to move to #2 to pick Tua.  Lions draft Chase Young at #3.

 

1) Would Washington actually be dumb enough to let Chase Young slide thru their fingers?  The dude is very good and will make their defense legit.

2) Detroit SHOULD look into the QB's.  You are picking 3rd.  If you can get the next Mahomes don't you have to look/draft that? Stafford isn't getting any younger and a bad back.

3) Hopefully Miami gets screwed in this.

 

Ok, putting rumors of Stafford being shopped around will put more pressure on Miami IF they are locked in with Tua.

 

Now, if Wash trades with Miami, they will NOT get Young.  He will be long gone before their pick.  So their best trade partner is Detroit. Only going down 1 pick.

 

Here's what I want to happen: Detroit keeps putting on a pressure campaign on Miami about QB.  Miami and Wash start discussing about trading picks.  Detroit comes in and actually trades with Wash for the higher pick, giving up their 1st and 2nd round picks (as a previous poster said).... THEN Detroit drafts Chase Young.   and totally screws Wash over.

 

Would you trade an extra 2 to get Chase Young?  I would. 

[Captain Hindsight]

4 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Never really understood the logic there.  Happened was it 2 or 3 years back when the Bears traded up for Tribitsky one spot.  If Washington wants Young, then why does Detroit need to trade up and give up picks, let them take Young and then you grab who you want a #3.  Could someone else trade with Washington and then grab Tua, sure, but then Washington is likely losing out on Young as likely the Lions would grab Young or trade with another team  who'd want him at #3.   

 

So why would Detroit give up assets to move up one pick when very likely they will get the guy they want at #3 anyway.  Would only make sense if Washington didn't want Young, but even then whomever they do want could be gone by the time they do pick unless they are looking for many multiple picks in return.

For the Bears example, I think San Fran may have been the trade partner.

 

San fran Calls the bears and say we have 3 offers for the is pick, you interested? Bears think they may lose on a guy they see a franchise QB. Would you trade 2 3rd picks and a 4th to make sure you got your guy? What if the Vikings had made the trade with San Fran and took MT? Bears would be pissed because all it would have cost was a few mid round picks

 

Is anyone upset the Bills traded two 3rd picks to draft JA?

[Beck Water]

6 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Detroit currently has pick 3 sitting behind Washington at 2.  There are rumors, denied by Lions, that they are talking about trading Matt Stafford.  Might the Lions want to swap picks with Washington and take Tua?  I know that Miami has far more trade assets, but if Washington wants Chase Young, they could trade down 1 spot, say for Detroit's 1 & 2 and still take Young.

 

This is just complete speculation on my part and a bit of wishing to keep Miami from getting Tua.

 

Detroit could be.  It’s also possible that Detroit, Washington, or the G-men will pick up the phone when some other team with an interest in Tua calls and wants to trade up.

 

The Hell Pit Miami has dug for themselves by starting Fitzpatrick is despite their best efforts to tank, they placed themselves in a position where other teams could squeeze them out, and they may have to use resources to fight that.

 

Lions could keep Stanford AND draft a QB.  KC strategy of trading up for Mahomes, letting him sit behind Alex Smith for a year, THEN flipping Smith seems to have worked out well.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Beck Water

[ganesh]

20 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

 

 

Is anyone upset the Bills traded two 3rd picks to draft JA?

The bills gave up 2 2nd round picks to draft Josh Allen.

[OldTimer1960]

4 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

Except Stafford is a good QB (top 8-15) and not the issue. There is no guarantee Tua will even be as good as Stafford so it’s an incredible risk. 
 

The only way I would make this decision is if I truly felt Stafford would walk away from the sport in a year two (possible given his injury history and the fact he’s made a ton of $ in his career).  

This scenario may have happened to the Bills a few years ago when the Jets traded up to 3rd early in the process effectively blocking the Bills from having the optio to move up for Darnold.  Now, we’ll never know if the Bills actually wanted Darnold over Allen, but that maneuver gave the Jets their pick of them.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

56 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

For the Bears example, I think San Fran may have been the trade partner.

 

San fran Calls the bears and say we have 3 offers for the is pick, you interested? Bears think they may lose on a guy they see a franchise QB. Would you trade 2 3rd picks and a 4th to make sure you got your guy? What if the Vikings had made the trade with San Fran and took MT? Bears would be pissed because all it would have cost was a few mid round picks

 

Is anyone upset the Bills traded two 3rd picks to draft JA?

 

Let me rephrase that, I understand the concept, but question the value in giving up very much to jump one spot when likely the outcome will be the same either way as  the top 3 players selected will all be the same, just in a slightly different order.

 

Seem to recall the other top pick wasn't someone San Fran was that interested in.  This draft to me seems like there are 2 really really top picks, Young and Burrow.  After that little bit of a drop.  So would Washington really want to give up on Young which they would be if they trade with anyone other than Detroit. Unless they trade/cut Stafford prior to the draft, Detroit also isn't in desperate need of a QB so would they be that bad off instead drafting Young.

 

And BTW how have the Bears done since then?  Maybe if they hadn't given up multiple picks they'd be in better shape. If the Lions gave up a 4th rounder to move up one slot, fine, but to give up a second, when likely Washington is just bluffing that they'd trade the pick, I have trouble with that one.   Unless start hearing that Washington is in a full rebuild and wants many picks, then that changes things.

 

 

 

In the case of Buffalo giving up 2 rd's for JA, they were moving up multiple slots and already a number of players picked.  

Edited February 18, 2020 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

because if you need a qb and think you see your guy it’s much better to definitely get him than to very likely get him

I still personally don’t like that move.  I said the Bears trade up for Trubisky was one of the stupidest in history the moment they made it.

 

Maybe if there was an Andrew Luck level prospect sitting there, but not for a QB coming off a major injury who isn’t a slam dunk even if healthy.  
 

If you miss, you will set you team back years due to the loss of draft capital.  If you hit, you still lose important assets to build a better team around him when you didn’t need to give those assets up.  
 

That being said, it’s also entirely possible that Detroit just wants people to think this to entice Miami to trade up with Washington so Chase Young falls to them at 3.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

The bills gave up 2 2nd round picks to draft Josh Allen.

Oh my bad.

 

Still not mad about it haha

[MAJBobby]

7 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Detroit currently has pick 3 sitting behind Washington at 2.  There are rumors, denied by Lions, that they are talking about trading Matt Stafford.  Might the Lions want to swap picks with Washington and take Tua?  I know that Miami has far more trade assets, but if Washington wants Chase Young, they could trade down 1 spot, say for Detroit's 1 & 2 and still take Young.

 

This is just complete speculation on my part and a bit of wishing to keep Miami from getting Tua.

They are not going to trade Stafford and lose Another 10M in cap space after moving on from him.  He has 32M in dead money

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I still personally don’t like that move.  I said the Bears trade up for Trubisky was one of the stupidest in history the moment they made it.

 

Maybe if there was an Andrew Luck level prospect sitting there, but not for a QB coming off a major injury who isn’t a slam dunk even if healthy.  
 

If you miss, you will set you team back years due to the loss of draft capital.  If you hit, you still lose important assets to build a better team around him when you didn’t need to give those assets up.  
 

That being said, it’s also entirely possible that Detroit just wants people to think this to entice Miami to trade up with Washington so Chase Young falls to them at 3.

to be fair I wasn’t advocating trubisky or tua with that. Just pointing out that if you see your guy, you get your guy. The only reason it sets you back years is you don’t have a good qb if he flops, as the draft capital is generally replaceable 

[H2o]

The Lions don't want Tua, they want to win now (for the sake of saving their own behind's). Look for them to draft Okudah or Brown if they stay put @ #3.  

[MJS]

3 hours ago, hjnick said:

1) Would Washington actually be dumb enough to let Chase Young slide thru their fingers?  The dude is very good and will make their defense legit.

2) Detroit SHOULD look into the QB's.  You are picking 3rd.  If you can get the next Mahomes don't you have to look/draft that? Stafford isn't getting any younger and a bad back.

3) Hopefully Miami gets screwed in this.

Mahomes was taken 10th and the reigning MVP wasn't taken till the end of the first.

 

The draft is a crap shoot. You never quite know who will work out.

[947]

It's a very smart move by the Lions to say they like Tua, their #3 pick gets more valuable by the day. They'll likely trade it to the Dolphins or the Raiders for a pair of 1st round picks plus at least a 2nd, maybe more.

[hjnick]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Mahomes was taken 10th and the reigning MVP wasn't taken till the end of the first.

 

The draft is a crap shoot. You never quite know who will work out.

And look at what KC did to get up there because they thought Mahomes was 'the guy'.  That guy just got them a superbowl.

 

There were/ARE a lot of question marks still on Lamar Jackson, which is why he was there at the end of the first.  Supreme speed/quickness.  Hard to hit a moving target in Hawaii...  Next year, teams will be more ready for Lamar and that offense.

 

3, 10, the number of the draft pick doesn't matter.  If you think that QB is 'the guy' you should get them.  A franchise QB will always keep your team in a game.   

 

Detroit is picking 3.  If you think Tua, Herbert, etc... is going to be 'the guy', you draft them.  that's what I was trying to say.

 

Draft is a crap shoot.

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Detroit currently has pick 3 sitting behind Washington at 2.  There are rumors, denied by Lions, that they are talking about trading Matt Stafford.  Might the Lions want to swap picks with Washington and take Tua?  I know that Miami has far more trade assets, but if Washington wants Chase Young, they could trade down 1 spot, say for Detroit's 1 & 2 and still take Young.

 

This is just complete speculation on my part and a bit of wishing to keep Miami from getting Tua.

 

 

Mel Kiper was saying this 2 weeks ago on his ESPN Saturday show on the radio.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

The Lions don't want Tua, they want to win now (for the sake of saving their own behind's). Look for them to draft Okudah or Brown if they stay put @ #3.  

This is where I tend to lean too.  The homeless guy who coaches them doesn’t care about their long term future.  It’s amazing how many coaches get fired after a year yet this guy is entering his 3rd season.  He’s terrible and just looking at him depresses me. 

[H2o]

23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This is where I tend to lean too.  The homeless guy who coaches them doesn’t care about their long term future.  It’s amazing how many coaches get fired after a year yet this guy is entering his 3rd season.  He’s terrible and just looking at him depresses me. 

I don't care for him, but they were playing pretty well before Stafford went down. This is definitely a make or break year for all of them in Detroit. 

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Is anyone upset the Bills traded two 3rd picks to draft JA?

 

Lots of wrong Allen fans are.

[T master]

Seeing as Stafford is getting up there in age & that he sat out last year because of a back injury it might be in the Lions best interest to at the very least start thinking about a plan of the future !

[mannc]

On 2/18/2020 at 12:37 PM, 947 said:

It's a very smart move by the Lions to say they like Tua, their #3 pick gets more valuable by the day. They'll likely trade it to the Dolphins or the Raiders for a pair of 1st round picks plus at least a 2nd, maybe more.

Yep.   I can’t see the Lions keeping this pick, unless someone trades up to 2 for a QB and Young falls to 3.

[Hardhatharry]

I feel like the Lions will always be the Lions... So it doesn't matter who they pick. Just like the Browns... Yeah, they are the NFC version of the Browns.

[Zerovoltz]

I think it's important to note here the both the coach and GM in Detroit were given THIS YEAR to win or they're out.  They aren't taking Tua.  Maybe all a smoke screen to entice someone to move up to 3...but if Detroit is at three it won't be Tua.  GM and Coach need help now, not later.

[LeviF]

5 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

I think it's important to note here the both the coach and GM in Detroit were given THIS YEAR to win or they're out.  They aren't taking Tua.  Maybe all a smoke screen to entice someone to move up to 3...but if Detroit is at three it won't be Tua.  GM and Coach need help now, not later.

 

This is why bad ownership is the worst.  You have the #3 pick this year.  THIS YEAR was the year to fire people and let a new regime draft their guy OR tell them that if they want to hit the reset button and try something new, they get some grace.  Tell your coach and GM that their seats are hot, watch them pass on serious QB talent because they need "weapons" and "pieces" then Stafford comes back and gives you somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 to 9 wins next year and you're ***** out of luck.  Again.

Edited February 26, 2020 by LeviF91

[BuffaloBills1998]

9 hours ago, LeviF91 said:

 

This is why bad ownership is the worst.  You have the #3 pick this year.  THIS YEAR was the year to fire people and let a new regime draft their guy OR tell them that if they want to hit the reset button and try something new, they get some grace.  Tell your coach and GM that their seats are hot, watch them pass on serious QB talent because they need "weapons" and "pieces" then Stafford comes back and gives you somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 to 9 wins next year and you're ***** out of luck.  Again.

The Lions have been run horribly for many many years. But think about this who would they replace Patricia with? Good head coaches don’t grow on trees and I’m sure there’s a bunch of talent out there as it should be but this year they got plagued  by injuries including the starting QB. You really can’t blame Patricia and his staff for 2019. Now 2020 will be the real answer if Patricia is either the real deal or shown the door by seasons end 

[Zerovoltz]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

The Lions have been run horribly for many many years. But think about this who would they replace Patricia with? Good head coaches don’t grow on trees and I’m sure there’s a bunch of talent out there as it should be but this year they got plagued  by injuries including the starting QB. You really can’t blame Patricia and his staff for 2019. Now 2020 will be the real answer if Patricia is either the real deal or shown the door by seasons end 

 

I think the point here isn't really about the coach or GM, but because ownership has given the staff a "Win NOW" ultimatum, the Lions have removed the possibility of taking Tua, from the equation.....because the GM and coach, acting in their own interests, aren't taking a QB at 3 who they'll never benefit from.  The fans and owners COULD though. 

 

Good ownership would recognize that there is an oppertunity here to try and break the cycle of losing by possibly obtaining a franchise altering QB (I'm not saying TUA is or isn't)  Bad ownership limits the best TEAM options by doing things like this.   ........not saying Pegulas are bad owners.....but their wonky handling of changing out the coach and front office in 2017 created a situation where the option to draft a QB in round 1, was off the table by the time draft day came around.

[dje85]

On 2/18/2020 at 6:04 AM, OldTimer1960 said:

Detroit currently has pick 3 sitting behind Washington at 2.  There are rumors, denied by Lions, that they are talking about trading Matt Stafford.  Might the Lions want to swap picks with Washington and take Tua?  I know that Miami has far more trade assets, but if Washington wants Chase Young, they could trade down 1 spot, say for Detroit's 1 & 2 and still take Young.

 

This is just complete speculation on my part and a bit of wishing to keep Miami from getting Tua.

 

Rumor is Miami is leaning towards Hebert rather Tua as of right now. As of right now though I'm not scared of any qb they draft because their oline is atrocious. 

[Billl]

2 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

I think the point here isn't really about the coach or GM, but because ownership has given the staff a "Win NOW" ultimatum, the Lions have removed the possibility of taking Tua, from the equation.....because the GM and coach, acting in their own interests, aren't taking a QB at 3 who they'll never benefit from.  The fans and owners COULD though. 

 

Good ownership would recognize that there is an oppertunity here to try and break the cycle of losing by possibly obtaining a franchise altering QB (I'm not saying TUA is or isn't)  Bad ownership limits the best TEAM options by doing things like this.   ........not saying Pegulas are bad owners.....but their wonky handling of changing out the coach and front office in 2017 created a situation where the option to draft a QB in round 1, was off the table by the time draft day came around.

Detroit should swap pics with Washington.  The Redskins want Chase Young, and this would allow Detroit to get a haul from someone wanting Tua while ensuring that Washington still gets their guy.