Boatdrinks Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) Cue the whining from the talking heads about the lack of diversity in HC hires. Edited January 12, 2020 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: what? https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bill-belichick-refused-to-allow-josh-mcdaniels-to-move-up-coaching-interviews-despite-playoff-loss/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 minute ago, stuvian said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bill-belichick-refused-to-allow-josh-mcdaniels-to-move-up-coaching-interviews-despite-playoff-loss/ Dude, nice article. But the guy actually interviewed with cleveland. Even took his wife with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: That's crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Dude, nice article. But the guy actually interviewed with cleveland. Even took his wife with him. I can't help but think the delay in doing so cost him a HC job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, stuvian said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bill-belichick-refused-to-allow-josh-mcdaniels-to-move-up-coaching-interviews-despite-playoff-loss/ He didn’t let him “move up” the interview that was already scheduled for Friday even though they lost and he was available earlier in the week. It wouldn’t have mattered. Just now, stuvian said: I can't help but think the delay in doing so cost him a HC job Doubt it unless he would not have demanded the same organizational changes earlier in the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, stuvian said: I can't help but think the delay in doing so cost him a HC job That's a whole other meaning from your previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 two questions... what happens to Kubiak? does he stay on at Minny? does he go with Stefanski? would he take another OC role (Minny, Cleveland, someone else) or does he think that that would be too much work after his medical episode of a few years back? i would love to see him come here as a run game coordinator to work hand in hand with Daboll. who are the Browns looking at for GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, stuvian said: I can't help but think the delay in doing so cost him a HC job I doubt it since Cleveland didn't decide until AFTER he interviewed. The other openings were filled by guys each team wanted badly. Rivera in Washington done ASAP, Rhule in Carolina-he was their top choice and nothing McDaniels could have done would have changed that, NYG-Judge blew them away, like McDermott did years ago with the Pegulas-if they wanted anything to do with McDaniels after interviewing Judge they clearly would have waited. I watched Judge's PC in NJ and he was really impressive. This was an abnormal year for coaches. A lot of coaches on the hot seat were retained. Cleveland was really McDaniels' only hope after Judge interviewed with the NYG. McDaniels is a very flawed candidate. Don't think for a minute that every time a team has Josh McDaniels on their list of candidates they look at his stint in Denver and his screwing over Indianapolis and don't see a lot of red flags. 18 minutes ago, Foxx said: who are the Browns looking at for GM? Please let it be Buddy Nix or Doug Whaley. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Steptide said: Kinda happy about this. I think Allen needs daboll next season drinking a little early today 57 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Brian Daboll can take over in November you sir, win troll post of the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: McDaniels might never get another shot as HC As Brady declines or leaves altogether his star will only fade He screwed up with what he did to Indianapolis Couldn't happen to a better guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: players. They don’t have enough on offense yet. So if I had to put that on a Person. Beane true they don't have enough players, but Daboll didn't do enough with what they had. Gore up the middle? Yeldon inactive. Not enough TE targets (1 against Pitt, who is awful against TE's). Inconsistent game calling that resembled "pick a play out of a hat." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, stuvian said: So BB prevented McDaniel from interviewing for the Browns job. 2nd year in a row the Pats have prevented him from leaving. If he isn't made HC there will be some fallout. I assume this is to get Brady resigned Or, it’s an exit plan where Brady wrap things up over the next two years, and McDaniels with a wink and a nod gets the Pats HC job. He gets a pretty good team as they will add to their talent and BB will prep him as he doesn’t want to see the Pats go down. Brady would be 44 and BB would be 70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I really don’t know anything about this guy besides reading that he’s thought of very highly in the Vikings organization, but if I were a browns fan I’d be a bit nervous about his experience level. A few quotes: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/13/mike-zimmer-gary-kubiak-probably-the-best-thing-to-happen-since-i-came-here/ Quote Stefanski got the full-time job this offseason, but the Vikings supplemented him by hiring former Texans and Broncos head coach Gary Kubiak as an assistant head coach and offensive advisor. The team is ninth in points scored and eighth in offensive yards after finishing 19th and 20th in those metrics last season and those results left Zimmer singing Kubiak’s praises on Wednesday “Gary has been tremendous. It’s probably the best thing that’s ever happened to me since I came here,” Zimmer said at his press conference. Zimmer (and Cousins, in other interviews) give Kubiak a lot of praise/credit. https://www.vikings.com/news/transcript-gary-kubiak-addressed-the-media-on-tuesday Quote Q: What role do you find yourself in making in-game adjustments and how are you influencing the game from the coaching box? A: Kevin (Stefanski) would probably have to answer that. What I try to do is I help Kevin with situational football, what’s going on. I’m listening to him call the game. I may make a suggestion, “Hey, Kevin, come back with this. You’re getting played this way, so think about this.” It’s just a great conversation back and forth. I can’t tell you how many times I may say something and Kevin will say, “Say that again.” We’re just constantly conversing on what’s happening and a lot of eyes on what’s going on on the football field. He’s doing a great job pulling the trigger. He’s really an excellent play caller and I think he’s getting better each and every week because his feel for our players and what our team does best continues to grow. Stefanski called the plays, but he had Kubiak at his side helping him. Quote Q: Are you surprised more people don’t go with your zone blocking schemes? A: I don’t know, there’s a lot of people that do it, but obviously it’s not something you can do all the time. We’ve actually had some success doing some other things this year. Rick (Dennison) and Andrew (Janocko) have done a really good job putting our game plan together each and every week. I think our guys have been receptive to change, and the fact that we have a young center who’s become a really good player I think leading the group, it’s been special. and it sounds like Dennison and Janocko put the game plans together. As I said, I don’t really know much about Stefanski so I’m not saying it was a bad hire. I’m just saying that the Browns job has been notoriously difficult. It doesn’t seem like the best place for rookie head coaches to learn/grow/develop, and I’m not sure how helpful ownership is as far as providing resources and support for their young coaches to grow into the job. I thought that a veteran head coach would have been the preferred choice, but no hire is going to work unless the owners are actually willing to let these guys execute their plan/vision. I hope the Browns give Stefanski a legit chance. 2 years isn’t enough time. Haslam needs to stick to his plan for once, and not bail if things don’t go perfectly in year 1-2. They hired a young coach so they should expect some growing pains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: McDaniels going to an old maid at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Guess were going with continuity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: ??? Haslam does what, now? Hours long coach/owner meetings? Omfg can you see he and Freddie every Monday ? Edited January 13, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: ??? Haslam does what, now? Hours long coach/owner meetings? Omfg can you see he and Freddie every Monday ? Th absolute worst - they are still going to be a dumpster fire. Poor Browns fans Edit - it is even worse https://www.cantonrep.com/sports/20200112/steve-doerschuk-josh-mcdaniels-wouldnrsquot-back-down-browns-owner-backed-away Edited January 13, 2020 by Reed83HOF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Th absolute worst - they are still going to be a dumpster fire. Poor Browns fans They went from a first time HC with very little OC or play calling experience ... to a first time HC with very little OC or play calling experience. But at least this one looks a little more put together than Freddie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I think this is a weird hire. I know little of the man but base this solely on the Vikings offense this past year. They actually match up pretty well with the Browns if you compare position groups. I wasn’t all that blown away by the Vikings, as if they couldn’t run the ball, it wasn’t a great day for them. the big question mark will be baker. Has he played under center in a system like this before? I just don’t see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: I'm fine with Daboll. He gets guys open and he can get better. If I had his ear, I would say less game to game changes, continue the hurry up offense, keep using Josh as a runner but diminish it over time, but most importantly make the base offense 2 WR, 2TE, single back. Get a true #1 WR to pair with Brown and let Knox and Kroft beat linebackers in coverage. Then just sub Beasley for Kroft about 40% of the time for your second most used package. To the bolded, I've thought this is maybe why they start so slowly all season. Blame it on Josh being amped up, but I'll blame it one such sweeping offensive changes week to week. I like that Daboll tries to adjust based on the opponent but with offenses (especially in passing), which often succeed based on timing and consistency of location where receivers are in patterns, the wholesale change week to week is tough. Edited January 13, 2020 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Steptide said: You could be right, but I think there's something to be said about continuity Jason Garrett proves your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, John Adams said: To the bolded, I've thought this is maybe why they start so slowly all season. Blame it on Josh being amped up, but I'll blame it one such sweeping offensive changes week to week. I like that Daboll tries to adjust based on the opponent but with offenses (especially in passing), which often succeed based on timing and consistency of location where receivers are in patterns, the wholesale change week to week is tough. It’s not an accident that our best stretch of offensive games featured continuity with 11 sets and mostly the same 3 WR (Brown, Beasley, and McKensie) I think it’s very helpful to Josh to limit the guys he has to build timing with that week. The problem is, when we got into a game where we were faced with a bewildering array of defensive coverage, we simply couldn’t handle it with that personnel, and it didn’t seem as though we had “Plan B” in the books. Knox and Singletary may develop as blockers, but they’re not there yet. I don’t understand the Kroft love. He’s a better blocker than Knox right now, but he whiffed big time on Mercilus leading to the fumble. We seem very very vulnerable to that kind of shifting, confusing defensive scheme right now. That’s why we struggled against Houston - at times we had half our OL blocking air while they were pressuring on the edges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 So who will coach the Browns in 2021? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: So who will coach the Browns in 2021? I have put in my resume Wait that might actually ruin my career... Edited January 13, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Steptide said: Browns fans pretty angry about this hire The Browns would have been angry at every possible hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Steptide said: You could be right, but I think there's something to be said about continuity Welp...we're going to find out. Year 3 coming up. 15 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: DePodesta gets his guy. I wonder what other plans DePodesta has? Could be some trades coming in the near future as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I'm glad Daboll will be returning for the sake of continuity and Josh's continued development. I have no doubt Beane is going to find playmakers for this offense and Josh will have more to work with next season. This is better than starting over with a new coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yikes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I wonder who they'll hire next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 *****. Dabollocks still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: So who will coach the Browns in 2021? Rex Ryan. He will promise to build a bully and will guarantee playoffs. His pitch will be so convincing they won't let him leave the building without a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I wonder who they'll hire next year? I just saw haslam has hired 7 head coaches since he bought the team - in 2012! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I just saw haslam has hired 7 head coaches since he bought the team - in 2012! Even though folks like to equate Cleveland and Buffalo fans as "long suffering who deserve a winner" I just can't root for the Browns to succeed so long as that crook owns the team. When I read that he requires game-planning meetings with the HC I almost lost it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, eball said: Even though folks like to equate Cleveland and Buffalo fans as "long suffering who deserve a winner" I just can't root for the Browns to succeed so long as that crook owns the team. When I read that he requires game-planning meetings with the HC I almost lost it. Lol I didn't see that but it's not surprising Browns are in for more misery this season. Baker has a terrible attitude and needs a proven coach that maybe he would listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I wonder who they'll hire next year? I think Stefanski might get get 2 years and if things aren’t going well I could see Haslam completely cleaning house again and firing Stefanski + DePodesta too (since this was officially his hire this time) and going back to a more traditional “old school” football structure. He went the heavy analytics route in 2014/15 hiring Depodesta and Sashi Brown, gave that 2 years (but didn’t let Depodesta hire the coach he wanted), then went the complete opposite direction w/the old school Dorsey and the front office he brought in. Now another 2 years has passed and Haslam is back to the analytics centered approach with Depodesta/Stefanski. Until Haslam makes up his mind as to what he wants and actually sticks to it, the Browns will never have any sustained success (IMO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Lol I didn't see that but it's not surprising Browns are in for more misery this season. Baker has a terrible attitude and needs a proven coach that maybe he would listen to. it's on the page near the bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I wonder who they'll hire next year? Robert Saleh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 So it looks like another year of our current OC Get him the rest of the pieces he needs to put a 28 point a game team on the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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