Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Unless I missed something, I'm shocked that he hasn't been asked to interview for any openings. Kinda surprised Daboll has and not him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Yes! I was just thinking this too, but I’m happy to keep him ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Ahhhhh no... He's ok but not great. Defensive coaches aren't as valuable as offensive ones right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 He's a retread HC ... Nothing new or flashy and he certainly won't be a first tier candidate Giving up 19 points in 1.3 quarters doenst help 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 His tenure is MN was simply awful, so his shot came and went; DC is where he seems to excel at the most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Unless I missed something, I'm shocked that he hasn't been asked to interview for any openings. Kinda surprised Daboll has and not him Well.. I keep thinking of the Defensive breakdowns in a number of games Lets start with Houston blown lead , before that The New England blown lead, before that Kudos' for the Ravens but ..... The Cleveland blown lead The entire Eagles game 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Nah, everyone know Sean has just as much if not more to do with that defenses success. Leslie is in the perfect situation. I think he will be a DC for as long as he wants to be. He and Wade Phillips are the perfect DC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 He'd probably have to take a lateral move to work under an offensive HC (ala Pettine) to be seriously considered again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 It's probably because McDermott is given most of the credit for the defense rightly or wrongly. Also as noted by the others, defense is not sexy now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Unless I missed something, I'm shocked that he hasn't been asked to interview for any openings. Kinda surprised Daboll has and not him No. Because teams want Offensive Minded Coaches to pair with their QB and the Rules Changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He's a retread HC ... Nothing new or flashy and he certainly won't be a first tier candidate Giving up 19 points in 1.3 quarters doenst help ...which means he'll probably get a couple of token, embarrassing Rooney Rule compliance calls.....isn't that what Jurrah did with Marvin Lewis?.....at the same time, his first tenure wasn't so good...he'll be 61 in April may may be comfortable in is DC role vs HC rigors.....where Schwartz resettled..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Nope. He's just a defensive play caller, McD constructed the defense. Frazier is also a very conservative coach, I think teams are looking for more aggressive and cutting edge coaches. Finally, his tenure in Minnesota wasn't anything spectacular at all; at his age, chances are he hasn't changed...why take the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Well.. I keep thinking of the Defensive breakdowns in a number of games Lets start with Houston blown lead , before that The New England blown lead, before that Kudos' for the Ravens but ..... The Cleveland blown lead The entire Eagles game That's part of it I'm sure Then there's the part where he had a 4 year shot as HC of the Vikings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Would have thought he had would be considered for a vacancy before Daboll Edited January 6, 2020 by BfloBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said: His tenure is MN was simply awful, so his shot came and went; DC is where he seems to excel at the most It wasn't good in MN. He has several years more experience in the league now and an even better resume since then. I'm quite surprised he's not at least getting interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 39 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He's a retread HC ... Nothing new or flashy and he certainly won't be a first tier candidate Giving up 19 points in 1.3 quarters doenst help Plus he was way too conservative hardly any blitzes that’s not going to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Unless I missed something, I'm shocked that he hasn't been asked to interview for any openings. Kinda surprised Daboll has and not him Im not surprised. He doesn't strike me as a future great HC in the waiting personally. McD gets a lot of credit for the defense too, and should. And like someone already said, the en vogue thing to do is focus on offensive minded HC's right now. But honestly, I think its a mistake. Look around the league, the best HC's in football are mostly guys who came from defensive backgrounds and known for being great defensive minds. And if you look at the Super Bowl wining HC's its apparent that coaches with Defensive minds have dominated the so called "offensive era". 2019 - Pats: Defensive HC (BB is best defensive mind to ever coach) 2018 - Eagles: Offensive HC 2017 - Pats: Defensive HC 2016 - Broncos: Offensive HC, but won with a prolific defense and a below average offense 2015 - Pats: Defensive HC 2014 - Seahawks: Defensive HC 2013 - Ravesn: Defensive HC 2012 - Coughlin: Offensive HC, but won with a prolific defensive and a below average offense 2011 - Packers: Offensive HC 2010 - Saints: Offensie HC So lets recap the last decade. 6 out of the ten SB's were won by teams coached by guys with a defensive background. Of the 4 won by offensive minded head coaches though, 2 were a direct result of a menacing defense. This is why I think its funny when people tell me its "all offense" and that you cant win with a defense or defensive minded head coach. Its just not factually true, and its actually been the opposite. And looking around the NFL first weekend, defense was the story of the first weekend of the playoffs. But every time someone like a McVay comes in and has early success, everyone looks to copy it. Yet McVay still hasn't won anything, had his innovative offense crushed in his lone Super Bowl and now that the league has caught up with him more, seen his offensive success become inconsistent and he didn't even make the playoffs this year. Look at Sean Payton...there was a time everyone was looking for their own Sean Payton. Yes he got a Super Bowl ring, but that was also the only year he had a good defense really. Most years he has flat out missed the playoffs (with a healthy Brees every year) or been upset in the playoffs like he was this year. And its always on some defensive miscue or gaff too. Come playoff time, defense matters. Which is why I think McD is going to have along and successful career as a HC. But like I said, Frazier to me doesn't stand out as a strong candidate, however, I would still prefer to interview him over Daboll if was a team owner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, BfloBillsFan said: Would have thought he had would be considered for a vacancy before Daboll He already was coach of the Vikings, He’s too conservative in this modern time! Only rushing four, prevent defense just didn’t get it done in the second half trying to run out the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, popcornpam said: He already was coach of the Vikings, He’s too conservative in this modern time! Only rushing four, prevent defense just didn’t get it done in the second half trying to run out the clock. I agree that he played the second half too conservatively, still, had one of the best units in football with only one All-pro. You could have argued that Daboll's play calling was too conservative most of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 No one touching Daboll or Frazier. Wade just hit the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 47 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Unless I missed something, I'm shocked that he hasn't been asked to interview for any openings. Kinda surprised Daboll has and not him He will get interviews because of rule the NFL has for black coaches but no team will ever hire him this season. Now if the Bills have another great defensive year and a make run in playoffs because of their defense then that could change. Nice guy but way too conservative a coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I don’t see him getting another chance. He’s fine as our DC as long as McD is supervising him. Remember last year when McD took over for one game as he lost confidence temporarily for Frazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The flavor of the day is you have to have some genius offensive mind as a HC. It will change again soon when a former DC wins the trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I am somewhat surprised, but I guess he's not favor of the week. We've had a solid/elite defense two yrs running. Daboll took a weak offense & w/ a considerable influx of talent turned them mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, BfloBillsFan said: I agree that he played the second half too conservatively, still, had one of the best units in football with only one All-pro. You could have argued that Daboll's play calling was too conservative most of the season. I was at the game he pulled out our best players and used the prevent scheme he was just trying to run out the clock and hope that we came out ahead. Didn’t they learn from the Cleveland game to stop playing that conservative stuff. It only stops you from winning. Bills fans are very knowledgeable they will not stand for this next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I agree with other posters that he is in the best position he could be in. He's not a rah-rah type of guy. I get the vibe that he doesn't want too much of the spotlight and he's happy where he is, which is great for us. Let teams be dumb and pick Daboll as their head coach. It would be a blessing to lose him this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Not really, because his time with the Vikings went poorly. I hope he stays in Buffalo because I believe that he has done a very nice job with the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 As long as Rob Ryan is available Leslie Frazier has no chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 No. He's a 60 year old coordinator with a previously failed Head Coaching gig. He'll coordinate for the rest of his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) My guess is that his being on the dark side of 60 doesn't help. Bill B and Pete Caroll were hired well before their 60th bday and I believe the only Sr aged HC hired in recent memory is Fazio in DEN Edited January 6, 2020 by freddyjj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Our defense isn't that good & only performs well against backup caliber QBs. Fraizer already failed as a HC Daboll got something out of Josh Allen, which many view as a miracle based on their pre draft opinion of Allen. Edited January 6, 2020 by uticaclub 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: It wasn't good in MN. He has several years more experience in the league now and an even better resume since then. I'm quite surprised he's not at least getting interviews. I am not surprised he isnt getting interviews, only because he is a DC on a team where the Head Coach is a defensive guy. If it was 100% him, it may be different. However, to your point about the years of experience, he lost exactly two more games than Belichick did in his 1st three years in Cleveland. A quarterback makes a hell of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Our defense isn't that good & only performs well against backup caliber QBs. This is categorically false. Check the stats and try again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBennett Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Yes but be happy, consistency helps build good teams.... I am not a giant Daobl fan..BUT to be honest....id like to keep things while winning as consistent as possible for the young QB. when you keep switching OC/HC/DC is when i think you get in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaquin1119 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Delete this topic asap!! We don’t need anyone from the nfl reading this lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: This is categorically false. Check the stats and try again. I did, I believe my comment to be correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Retread. Not flashy. 60. Not that surprised. If the question was who have been the best 5 or 6 coordinators in the NFL then he'd be in the list. But as a HC candidate? Yea I can see why he isn't top of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's part of it I'm sure Then there's the part where he had a 4 year shot as HC of the Vikings. and I didn’t even mention the 4 blowouts from last season. IIRC Ravens, GB, Chargers and I thought 1 more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I’m a little surprised but 60 year old defensive coordinators aren’t exactly exciting hires. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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