Bakin Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I am a homer. And I really love the kid. So I’m an emphatic YES. I have no doubt that he is crushed right now - and he believes the loss is on him. Sure, he makes boneheaded plays now and again... BUT He has the arm, the legs, the heart...between the ears remains a work in progress and I’m confident he will only get better. Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Josh Allen is not a franchise QB, at least not now anyway. He may be a nice kid, but come on! 4 1 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Can he grow a brain this off-season? He certainly has the physical talent. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 That lateral with 1:04 left in regulation lol ? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Y’all are way overreacting. Let him learn how to win. Let the whole team and the coaching staff learn to win. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Need to plan for the future like he isn't but hope like hell that he is. It's tough to pick a franchise QB - almost 50% in the 1st round. Beane and McDermott have this team on the right track regardless of Josh IMO Edited January 5, 2020 by Gary Busey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Are you basing this on his play today in his first playoff spot ever or on the trajectory and improvement he has shown since entering the league. You've given us a binary question for something that does not deserve a binary answer. If he plateaus, no. If he continues to improve, yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Obviously not yet. I'm pretty certain I'll know this time next year whether or not I want him around the following one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Why is this even a question? If you can't see his ability, and the fire he plays with then you are blind. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Pessimist Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 No 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 If he improves in his third year as much as he did his second year there is no question. As it stands now another playmaker or two and he can be good without improvement. Imagine if he improves and gets a weapon or two 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 His first half performance nearly had me convinced, but, sadly, he went back to being Josh Allen. Inconsistent, terrible ball security, and flat out bone headed plays. The loss isnt solely on him, plenty of blame to go around. Duke Williams underwhelming performance, critical mistakes by the oline in key moments, errors by Brown, and questionable play calling in OT. Sadly, Allen is what I hoped he wouldn't be, a Fitzpatrick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 jesus give the guy a break he is still improving. i think or hope next year is his year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: That lateral with 1:04 left in regulation lol ? If he would of completed that lateral, Knox had nothing but green in front of him. I can see why Josh did it, the execution was just sloppy. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: His first half performance nearly had me convinced, but, sadly, he went back to being Josh Allen. Inconsistent, terrible ball security, and flat out bone headed plays. The loss isnt solely on him, plenty of blame to go around. Duke Williams underwhelming performance, critical mistakes by the oline in key moments, errors by Brown, and questionable play calling in OT. Sadly, Allen is what I hoped he wouldn't be, a Fitzpatrick. You dont think it would help if our RB averaging over 5 YPC got more handoffs than Hyde averaging 3 YPC? Or if he had a guy like hopkins he could just throw it to fully covered? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 He’s a second year kid who still has a lot of learning to do. He is also, hands down, the best QB talent we have had since Kelly. He will be our starter for the next 10 -15 years and he will win us multiple playoff games. Hopefully there is a SB win in there somewhere. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 A better poll would be: Who will be with the Buffalo Bills longer? Josh Allen or Some posters on here if Josh is. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: That lateral with 1:04 left in regulation lol ? I find it hilarious that no one has created a thread about that single play. Or perhaps his "Hail Mary" pass he threw up for grabs while in OT in a playoff game. That is "can't happen" stuff and it's still happening from him. And then the late throws, the fumble problems, the blitz problem, the reading defenses problem, the accuracy problem, the long ball problem.... How long does he get?! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I hope he is, and believe in him, but nobody knows obviously. However, it is actually completely irelevant what anybody, including our front office, thinks right now. They took him at 7 just two years ago as a project QB. Unless there is 100% certainty he is a bust NOBODY SANE gives up on him after two years. And in my mind nobody sane can be sure he is a bust. So he is our only option at least for another complete season. Which, again, is fine with me, since I love him and expect him to be franchise for next 15 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Y’all are way overreacting. Let him learn how to win. Let the whole team and the coaching staff learn to win. "Learning how to win" is just nonsense that sports fans talk about. That's not a real thing. Talent, preparation, coaching, and execution are really things. If we had more of that sort of thing, we would have won this game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) He was 1 of 2 qbs in his draft class in the post season. He led us to our first 10 and 5 season (last loss was not on him) won the Thanksgiving game. Did not loose 2 in a row all year. Had a few come from behind wins. And finally his OC has no brains. Build this team around him and we will be fine. Edited January 5, 2020 by fansince88 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: I find it hilarious that no one has created a thread about that single play. Or perhaps his "Hail Mary" pass he threw up for grabs while in OT in a playoff game. That is "can't happen" stuff and it's still happening from him. And then the late throws, the fumble problems, the blitz problem, the reading defenses problem, the accuracy problem, the long ball problem.... How long does he get?! How long did Favre get when he was doing the same exact stupid shite???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, PolishPrince said: You dont think it would help if our RB averaging over 5 YPC got more handoffs than Hyde averaging 3 YPC? Or if he had a guy like hopkins he could just throw it to fully covered? What does that have to do with eating two sacks back to back with the game on the line in the fourth quarter? What does that have to do with carelessly throwing a ball in the lateral with absolutely no need to do so? What does it have to do with fumbling away the ball in a playoff game without ever even getting hit on the ball while running? What does it have to do with taking an intentional grounding and ruining any chance of a field goal in the closing moments? Like I've said there is plenty of blame to go around and I will not put this loss solely on Josh Allen but it is clear to me he is who I thought he was. Which honestly makes me pretty ***** sad because the development of this team moving forward depended on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 For sure he is the future gotta learn how to play like a boss when it matters 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mshaw Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 not yet. next year we will see. good news is we didn't invest our future on him. Beane did it on purpose as a fail safe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 This will be a fun thread. The jury is still out on him. The good Allen is absolutely a franchise quarterback. He can make throws only Mahomes and maybe Russel Wilson can. The bad Allen is too inconsistent to have success in this league. Given his demeanor and work ethic and what he has already improved on I don’t see any reason he’s done growing. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I find it hilarious that no one has created a thread about that single play. Or perhaps his "Hail Mary" pass he threw up for grabs while in OT in a playoff game. That is "can't happen" stuff and it's still happening from him. And then the late throws, the fumble problems, the blitz problem, the reading defenses problem, the accuracy problem, the long ball problem.... How long does he get?! If you were the man in charge you'd probably lock him out of OBD. We get it. Fortunately there are much smarter people than you running this show so he will get at least 2 more years as each QB taken at 7 should get. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Yep, he has talent and leadership traits He needs a coaching staff who trusts him with the ball and let's him play aggressively Also needs to work on his footwork in a big way this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I find it hilarious that no one has created a thread about that single play. Or perhaps his "Hail Mary" pass he threw up for grabs while in OT in a playoff game. That is "can't happen" stuff and it's still happening from him. And then the late throws, the fumble problems, the blitz problem, the reading defenses problem, the accuracy problem, the long ball problem.... How long does he get?! 15 years. Recommend you find another team before you have yourself committed. In the end, while a bad decision to lateral, had he connected to Knox, he might have had some daylight to run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: What does that have to do with eating two sacks back to back with the game on the line in the fourth quarter? What does that have to do with carelessly throwing a ball in the lateral with absolutely no need to do so? What does it have to do with fumbling away the ball in a playoff game without ever even getting hit on the ball while running? What does it have to do with taking an intentional grounding and ruining any chance of a field goal in the closing moments? Like I've said there is plenty of blame to go around and I will not put this loss solely on Josh Allen but it is clear to me he is who I thought he was. Which honestly makes me pretty ***** sad because the development of this team moving forward depended on him. Those two back to back sacks were on allen? Our line got beat immediately on a three and four man rush.... The lateral didnt hinder the game at all. The intentional ground was desperation because a sack there would have been even worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Very disappointed in sequence where he seemingly lost his mind - Crazy bad sack, followed by the bizarro lateral on the next drive. That being said.... he played pretty damn well. He was a weapon with his legs, was pretty accurate and made some absolutely absurd throws, some in the clutch. We didn’t lose, and only score 19 due to Allen. We lost and only scored 19 because, once again, our coaching staff thought we could rely on the defense up two scores. We turtled up, went conservative, and just like NE, and just like Balt, we came up just short. McDermott is a damn good coach, but I hope he learned this very painful lesson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: This will be a fun thread. The jury is still out on him. The good Allen is absolutely a franchise quarterback. He can make throws only Mahomes and maybe Russel Wilson can. The bad Allen is too inconsistent to have success in this league. Given his demeanor and work ethic and what he has already improved on I don’t see any reason he’s done growing. Really? I'm not sure that's even true. While he has a big arm, his deep ball accuracy was trash all year. It ultimately won't matter if he has the ability to make those throws if he doesn't actually complete them. There's some throws he can make on the run that a lot can't, but that's negated by the ones he doesn't make in the pocket, and I'm guessing that's what you meant by the second part of being too inconsistent. I agree he's improved and will get better, it's more the deer in the headlights look we saw against the best competition that I'm worried about. Sometimes that's different than improving. For many QB's, poise and composure in the biggest spots against the best things isn't ultimately teachable. I worry that we don't have a QB that's going to be at his best in chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Herc11 said: If he would of completed that lateral, Knox had nothing but green in front of him. I can see why Josh did it, the execution was just sloppy. Hero ball. He can't seem to keep it under control. Tons of talent with some remarkable throws. Then he just plain sucks on 3 and outs. If he finds consistency, he'll be the guy we need. I'm hopeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jerboski said: Yep, he has talent and leadership traits He needs a coaching staff who trusts him with the ball and let's him play aggressively Also needs to work on his footwork in a big way this offseason They let him play aggressively the entire 4th quarter and in OT. What are you talking about? He failed miserably when they put the game in his hands. This is exactly the reason he's been coached conservatively, to hide his flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Very disappointed in sequence where he seemingly lost his mind - Crazy bad sack, followed by the bizarro lateral on the next drive. That being said.... he played pretty damn well. He was a weapon with his legs, was pretty accurate and made some absolutely absurd throws, some in the clutch. We didn’t lose, and only score 19 due to Allen. We lost and only scored 19 because, once again, our coaching staff thought we could rely on the defense up two scores. We turtled up, went conservative, and just like NE, and just like Balt, we came up just short. McDermott is a damn good coach, but I hope he learned this very painful lesson. I think McDermott's a damn good teacher, but a below average Head Coach when you factor in game management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, TwistofFate said: They let him play aggressively the entire 4th quarter and in OT. What are you talking about? He failed miserably when they put the game in his hands. This is exactly the reason he's been coached conservatively, to hide his flaws. Coaching him conservatively the entire 3rd and half of the 4th got you beat, asking him to win it after you all but took the ball out of his hands the entire half isnt aggressive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 He gets the yips at the worst possible times. Im not sure how to coach that out of him. I honestly feel like he needs to be confident in the guys around him to make plays too. Hopefully the focus on the offseason is to provide him with reliable skill players who catch the ball with their hands, and have keen situational awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Yes. He is in his second year taking us to OT in a wild card game. Read that again. Yes he has discipline issues and some accuracy issues, but it can be cleaned up. I don’t like our OC. It’s not a good fit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Hail Mary to DeMarco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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