TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: Those two back to back sacks were on allen? Our line got beat immediately on a three and four man rush.... The lateral didnt hinder the game at all. The intentional ground was desperation because a sack there would have been even worse A sack is worse than 10 yards and a loss of down??? Fall down or run forward, you know damn well you are on the fringe of field goal range. Instead you run back further? You are talking ridiculous right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Really? I'm not sure that's even true. While he has a big arm, his deep ball accuracy was trash all year. It ultimately won't matter if he has the ability to make those throws if he doesn't actually complete them. There's some throws he can make on the run that a lot can't, but that's negated by the ones he doesn't make in the pocket, and I'm guessing that's what you meant by the second part of being too inconsistent. I agree he's improved and will get better, it's more the deer in the headlights look we saw against the best competition that I'm worried about. Sometimes that's different than improving. For many QB's, poise and composure in the biggest spots against the best things isn't ultimately teachable. I worry that we don't have a QB that's going to be at his best in chaos. He made that throw across his body to singletary tonight to pickup that third down was more what I was referencing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, Reader said: Are you basing this on his play today in his first playoff spot ever or on the trajectory and improvement he has shown since entering the league. You've given us a binary question for something that does not deserve a binary answer. If he plateaus, no. If he continues to improve, yes. This. Which by the way applies to every QB in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jerboski said: Coaching him conservatively the entire 3rd and half of the 4th got you beat, asking him to win it after you all but took the ball out of his hands the entire half isnt aggressive He threw 46 passes...that's conservative to you??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) He gets one more year to show major improvement. If the bone head plays and lack of awareness doesn't improve drastically, time to find someone new. He needs to start completing the easy passes to wide open guys regularly. This team is a QB away from contending for a Super Bowl. Edited January 5, 2020 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Leaning to no. Next season is going to be huge for him. Hope he proves me wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Josh Allen is not a franchise QB, at least not now anyway. He may be a nice kid, but come on! Dude will be the 2020 League MVP mark it down. I am never bullish like that but this is going to be the fuel that makes him better than all the others his age. Look at what Watson did last year in his first playoff game. The sky is not falling the kid played pretty well today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Lenigmusx said: Dude will be the 2020 League MVP mark it down. I am never bullish like that but this is going to be the fuel that makes him better than all the others his age. Look at what Watson did last year in his first playoff game. The sky is not falling the kid played pretty well today. I hope you’re right. I really really do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, PolishPrince said: Our line got immediately beat off the line on a three man rush, he turned around and had the guys in his face, he had no time to run forward lol. How does our 5 guys fail to buy a second of time on a three man rush lmao Protection scheme set by Qb.... You can continue to make whatever excuses you want, he flat out stunk in the 2nd half. Edited January 5, 2020 by TwistofFate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: He gets one more year. If the bone head plays and lack of awareness doesn't improve drastically, time to find someone new. This team is a QB away from contending for a Super Bowl. The team is A premier WR, a good 3 down back, and an offensive tackle away from being the best offense in the NFL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: He gets one more year to show major improvement. If the bone head plays and lack of awareness doesn't improve drastically, time to find someone new. He needs to start completing the easy passes to wide open guys regularly. This team is a QB away from contending for a Super Bowl. Are you the coach or GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: Protection scheme set by Qb.... You can continue to make whatever excuses you want, he flat out stunk in the 2nd half. Yes, Allen said "dont block these 2 guys of the 3" good call 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Maybe. Jury is still out. His inexperience showed through in this game in a BIG way. However, he probably did enough to achieve victory if a few key plays are executed properly by others. Duke HAS to make that catch for the TD. That’s why he was active today, and the pass could not have been better. McD and Frazier waited too long to bring pressure on Watson, who wasn’t reading the coverage well all game. Milano and whoever whiffed, and that was your ballgame. When you wait until the margin of error is zero....As good as Josh handled the first half, the second half was poor. Coaches did not do him any favors leaving Watt 1 on 1 far too often. A win and another game would have been huge for Allen’s development. It was achievable, but we can’t yet say for certain if Allen can lead the Bills to the promised land. This game was essentially a tease, and will take its place in a long list of Bills debacles that I really thought were behind the franchise now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Are you the coach or GM? I'm a fan who sees our QB consistently let us down against good opposition. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The kid was the best player on the field tonight for the Bills and he wasnt good enough for you guys. Until the Bills draft Brady, Brees, or Manning it wont be good enough. You will be waiting awhile. He carried them tonight. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: I'm a fan who sees our QB consistently let us down against good opposition. You’re seeing things through Bills PTSD colored glasses. The world is round I promise? Edited January 5, 2020 by Lenigmusx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 What would the cost be to bring Allen back next year if he was franchised? I'm guessing its around 30 million. Would you take a 30 mil hit on the salary cap for next year? If the answer is no, he ain't your franchise QB. I think its important the Bills pick up a much better #2 QB, and/or draft a mid-rounder. Like the Titans and Mariota, Allen may need to be benched next year in order to save their season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 He’s under a microscope more than most qbs because so many pundits already labeled him a bust. He led a game tying drive and what should’ve been a game winning drive if it wasn’t for a blown call. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, TuelTime said: What would the cost be to bring Allen back next year if he was franchised? I'm guessing its around 30 million. Would you take a 30 mil hit on the salary cap for next year? If the answer is no, he ain't your franchise QB. I think its important the Bills pick up a much better #2 QB, and/or draft a mid-rounder. Like the Titans and Mariota, Allen may need to be benched next year in order to save their season. You bench him and you go 4-12. He still on his rookie deal. It would be as bad as what Buffalo did to Flutie. Edited January 5, 2020 by Lenigmusx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: He threw 46 passes...that's conservative to you??? 20 in the first half, they didnt go back to the pass until the lead had vanished, they then had to pass basically every down given they were getting stuffed and were going against the clock There was a time span during the beginning of the third until midway through the 4th that we were totally content to burn clock and run the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) I’m trying to think about “what more did I really need to see out of him” tonight? He made some really poor decisions: -Brutal sack that luckily didn’t cost us. -Bizarro world lateral -Ball Security on the fumble However: -He made some incredible plays & unreal throws. -He was our best weapon. -What throws did he really miss? There were more than a handful of throwaways, but even the Duke crosser was due to Watt hitting him as he threw. I just feel like our coaching staff didn’t let him win us the the game. We went very conservative, thinking going up 10,13,16 would win us the game. That’s not on Allen. Edited January 5, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Allen showed he can learn after the first Pats game. He will get better from this, it's just a shame he had to have so much to learn from in this one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Anyone who voted no is a moron. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Lenigmusx said: You bench him and you go 4-12. He still on his rookie deal. The top 5 defense won the majority of the games on a cheesecake schedule. The Bills had one of the worst passing games in the NFL. I'm sure their record wouldn't have been that bad had Matt Barkley started all season. I know he is on his rookie deal. I was speaking hypothetically. His play is mediocre at best, and he isn't going to get a big contract unless he makes some major strides next year. My point was if he isn't worth using the franchise tag on, he isn't a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomper Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Maybe. Jury is still out. His inexperience showed through in this game in a BIG way. However, he probably did enough to achieve victory if a few key plays are executed properly by others. Duke HAS to make that catch for the TD. That’s why he was active today, and the pass could not have been better. McD and Frazier waited too long to bring pressure on Watson, who wasn’t reading the coverage well all game. Milano and whoever whiffed, and that was your ballgame. When you wait until the margin of error is zero....As good as Josh handled the first half, the second half was poor. Coaches did not do him any favors leaving Watt 1 on 1 far too often. A win and another game would have been huge for Allen’s development. It was achievable, but we can’t yet say for certain if Allen can lead the Bills to the promised land. This game was essentially a tease, and will take its place in a long list of Bills debacles that I really thought were behind the franchise now. Amen to this. Allen was rattled in the second half but he still got the team to OT then reverted back to his bad habits at the worst possible time. The Ford penalty was a killer. My real is issue the D. Wtf? When it matters most nobody could tackle properly. Not just Milano. Simple fundamentals lost this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lenigmusx said: The team is A premier WR, a good 3 down back, and an offensive tackle away from being the best offense in the NFL. What's wrong with Singletary? Thought he had a strong game today. WR corps could be improved, for sure, but have you had a look at the quarterback position? Until Allen is either replaced or he massively improves, our offense will continue to sputter as it did this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I'm a fan who sees our QB consistently let us down against good opposition. The game probably plays out entirely different if smoke gets his feet in or Duke brings down the ball in the endzone, you realize that right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, TuelTime said: What would the cost be to bring Allen back next year if he was franchised? I'm guessing its around 30 million. Would you take a 30 mil hit on the salary cap for next year? If the answer is no, he ain't your franchise QB. I think its important the Bills pick up a much better #2 QB, and/or draft a mid-rounder. Like the Titans and Mariota, Allen may need to be benched next year in order to save their season. I’d make a play for Mariota this offseason. We need a quality backup because Allen’s style makes him injury prone or if he doesn’t progress (or regresses). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 he is certainly closer to it than not one. I am excited to see improvement from him next year as he has trended up imo all year. Next year if the progression is not there then they really need to look at where they want to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I'm a fan who sees our QB consistently let us down against good opposition. Then why did you say he get's one more year? Or does that mean he gets one more year of you as a fan (one can hope)? I see you are on your typical crusade. How about Duke catch the ball in the endzone, Brown drag his feet at the nine, not have killer penalties like when you are about to score, or the Oline not give JJ Watt free reign at the QB? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Jerboski said: 20 in the first half, they didnt go back to the pass until the lead had vanished, they then had to pass basically every down given they were getting stuffed and were going against the clock There was a time span during the beginning of the third until midway through the 4th that we were totally content to burn clock and run the ball Not sure what game you watched but play calling was anything but conservative. I was begging for conservative play calling at the start of OT, instead they went to shot gun and have Allen throw, when all you needed was a balance attack and a field goal. They put it in his hands and he failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 How about a Maybe choice? Next year is key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: What's wrong with Singletary? Thought he had a strong game today. WR corps could be improved, for sure, but have you had a look at the quarterback position? Until Allen is either replaced or he massively improves, our offense will continue to sputter as it did this season. I think a very formidable challenge to your view of Allen, is the current philosophy. It needs to change. I honestly don’t know how anyone could watch the game today, and not think we win, it our coaching staff didn’t believe the defense could hold, up 2 scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I believe Josh is our man. Did he have a stellar game? No. But were coaches and game planning stellar? No. I feel like when the winds of change shifted from interesting to conservative that’s when Josh reverted to “bad Josh”. Does Josh need to improve? Hell yes. But he has the tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: I’d make a play for Mariota this offseason. We need a quality backup because Allen’s style makes him injury prone or if he doesn’t progress (or regresses). I'd really love Bridgewater. Instant Super Bowl contender with him at QB with this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: Not sure what game you watched but play calling was anything but conservative. I was begging for conservative play calling at the start of OT, instead they went to shot gun and have Allen throw, when all you needed was a balance attack and a field goal. They put it in his hands and he failed. You sound like someone who believes pass attempts = aggressive, and then discounts actual in-game decisions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: What's wrong with Singletary? Thought he had a strong game today. WR corps could be improved, for sure, but have you had a look at the quarterback position? Until Allen is either replaced or he massively improves, our offense will continue to sputter as it did this season. I bet you lead the forum in negative reputation emoji's! Because you are a one agenda poster and offer literally nothing of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: How about a Maybe choice? Next year is key "Next year"....our depressing mantra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Not sure what game you watched but play calling was anything but conservative. I was begging for conservative play calling at the start of OT, instead they went to shot gun and have Allen throw, when all you needed was a balance attack and a field goal. They put it in his hands and he failed. So your saying in the third that was aggressive and the top portion of the 4th quarter? Gore (twice) got the ball on 2nd and ten in scoring position, that's aggressive? Your definitions of aggressive are completley different Edited January 5, 2020 by Jerboski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Yes, without a doubt. He just needs to control his energy a bit better and play more within himself. This was his very first playoff game, and he'll get there with a little more experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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