Coach55 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I am so tired of all of the experts and commentators stating the Bills are winning in spite of an inferior roster. Every team has its weaknesses, but what makes a player inferior - lack of name brand recognition? It’s completely unfounded. Yes, I think our TEs are weak and our receivers small, but all and all I will put our talent up against anyone. If you use draft position as a theoretical potential of how “good” a player can be, let’s go down the list. Defense - 7 of the 11 starters were originally selected in the 1st round. The only four not are Alexander (UDFA), Milano (5th), Hyde (5th) and Poyer (7th), all of which have proven to be pro bowl caliber players. Offense - not as prolific as our defense, but still pretty good: 1st - Allen 2nd - Dawkins, Ford, Knox, Morse 3rd - Singletary, Brown 4th - Feliciano UDFA - Foster, Spain, Beasley All in all, we have an immense amount of talent, especially on defense. I am fine not having the marquee names, but our roster is definitely not inferior. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I'm happy not being known..........live in the weeds and strike quickly when no one is looking. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) Levi Wallace was not drafted in the 1st round. Still we do have high round caliber players on Defense. Now we need to do the same on Offense. Edited December 18, 2019 by BuffaloButt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Ryan Clark recently said it is harder for good players to get recognized (pro bowl nods) on losing or non-winning teams. Tre-Day has broken that glass ceiling and if the Bills keep their winning ways, all thos accolades will come. Just Win baby!! (Thanks Al Davis) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Pro Bowl voting is a popularity contest in many ways with players who don't deserve it getting voted in for years on name recognition alone. Who cares honestly? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, BuffaloButt said: Levi Wallace was not drafted in the 1st round. Still we do have high round caliber players on Defense. Now we need to do the same on Offense. Exactly - having only one 1st-rounder on offense is close to bizarre in today's NFL. I really hope they address that next year - WR seems obvious, but I'd take a dominant OL too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just keep winning and stay under the radar. Anyone that watches this team knows we are stacked with talent and they play for each other. This is a dangerous team and we are going to make some noise in the playoffs. It doenst matter what any of the national media or other fans say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Coach55 said: I am so tired of all of the experts and commentators stating the Bills are winning in spite of an inferior roster. Every team has its weaknesses, but what makes a player inferior - lack of name brand recognition? It’s completely unfounded. Yes, I think our TEs are weak and our receivers small, but all and all I will put our talent up against anyone. If you use draft position as a theoretical potential of how “good” a player can be, let’s go down the list. Defense - 7 of the 11 starters were originally selected in the 1st round. The only four not are Alexander (UDFA), Milano (5th), Hyde (5th) and Poyer (7th), all of which have proven to be pro bowl caliber players. Offense - not as prolific as our defense, but still pretty good: 1st - Allen 2nd - Dawkins, Ford, Knox, Morse 3rd - Singletary, Brown 4th - Feliciano UDFA - Foster, Spain, Beasley All in all, we have an immense amount of talent, especially on defense. I am fine not having the marquee names, but our roster is definitely not inferior. As Eric Wood said on the pregame the other day.......they lack a #1 WR that their young QB can just go to for a play when the defense is taking everything away..........that's their glaring weakness. But Carolina made it to a SB with Philly Brown and Ted Ginn as their top WR's. You don't have to be stacked from top to bottom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, matter2003 said: Pro Bowl voting is a popularity contest in many ways with players who don't deserve it getting voted in for years on name recognition alone. Who cares honestly? The only reason that I am bothered by it is that these players often have bonuses and such tied to it. Take a guy like Jordan Phillips for example. He is 2nd in sacks for all DTs. Geno Atkins took a spot that should have gone to Phillips. I don’t know the depth of bonuses in his contract but say he had $250k riding on it. He should be angry. It’s not so much that I am mad that people are selling the Bills short. I feel bad for the players that have earned this recognition and potentially money. We have some guys that should be there. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Coach55 said: I am so tired of all of the experts and commentators stating the Bills are winning in spite of an inferior roster. Every team has its weaknesses, but what makes a player inferior - lack of name brand recognition? It’s completely unfounded. Yes, I think our TEs are weak and our receivers small, but all and all I will put our talent up against anyone. If you use draft position as a theoretical potential of how “good” a player can be, let’s go down the list. Defense - 7 of the 11 starters were originally selected in the 1st round. The only four not are Alexander (UDFA), Milano (5th), Hyde (5th) and Poyer (7th), all of which have proven to be pro bowl caliber players. Offense - not as prolific as our defense, but still pretty good: 1st - Allen 2nd - Dawkins, Ford, Knox, Morse 3rd - Singletary, Brown 4th - Feliciano UDFA - Foster, Spain, Beasley All in all, we have an immense amount of talent, especially on defense. I am fine not having the marquee names, but our roster is definitely not inferior. The funny thing is that if Buffalo would have drafted Sam Darnold (USC), Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma) or Josh Rosen (UCLA) it would be a totally different story but because Josh Allen came from Wyoming it is what it is. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: As Eric Wood said on the pregame the other day.......they lack a #1 WR that their young QB can just go to for a play when the defense is taking everything away..........that's their glaring weakness. But Carolina made it to a SB with Philly Brown and Ted Ginn as their top WR's. You don't have to be stacked from top to bottom. Indeed they did, but Olsen had a fantastic year as Cam's favorite target. That team was stacked at QB, Oline, TE, and RB. Their wide receivers were crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The only reason that I am bothered by it is that these players often have bonuses and such tied to it. Take a guy like Jordan Phillips for example. He is 2nd in sacks for all DTs. Geno Atkins took a spot that should have gone to Phillips. I don’t know the depth of bonuses in his contract but say he had $250k riding on it. He should be angry. It’s not so much that I am mad that people are selling the Bills short. I feel bad for the players that have earned this recognition and potentially money. We have some guys that should be there. You know what would REALLY endear these players to the team? Pay that bonus anyway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The Pro bowl happens around the Super Bowl and I would much rather have a bunch of no names competing for the Lombardi, than have Bills players participate in a meaningless popularity show boat game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Pro Bowl voting is a popularity contest in many ways with players who don't deserve it getting voted in for years on name recognition alone. Who cares honestly? Yeah but, Brady didn't make it this year. Gave me some faith in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Yeah but, Brady didn't make it this year. Gave me some faith in the process. Dude has been so bad they can't even give him a nod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The only reason that I am bothered by it is that these players often have bonuses and such tied to it. Take a guy like Jordan Phillips for example. He is 2nd in sacks for all DTs. Geno Atkins took a spot that should have gone to Phillips. I don’t know the depth of bonuses in his contract but say he had $250k riding on it. He should be angry. It’s not so much that I am mad that people are selling the Bills short. I feel bad for the players that have earned this recognition and potentially money. We have some guys that should be there. I heard on the radio last night that Richard Sherman was getting a $1 mllion dollar bonus this year and a $1 million dollar raise for next year because of his selection. Yesterday was a nice day at work for Mr. Sherman Another tidbit I heard on this program is that Miami and NYJ were the only two teams without a selection Edited December 18, 2019 by Pokebball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I'm fine staying under the radar as long as we win. The more we win, the more notoriety all our players will get. We've beaten 3 playoff caliber teams and could beat another on Saturday. To hell with power rankings, pro bowls and NFLN fluff pieces. As Al once said "just win baby"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 It's definitely not an inferior roster. It just shows how much of the narrative is driven by star power and offense. Our defense is absolutely loaded. Hughes, Lawson, Oliver, Phillips, Edmunds, Milano, Hyde, Poyer, T. Johnson & White are all above average talents for their position.... That's almost our entire defense. On offense, we have a young QB with an average-above average OL, above average RB but with no depth behind him and average-below average WR/TE's. Our coaching is potentially elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach55 said: I am so tired of all of the experts and commentators stating the Bills are winning in spite of an inferior roster. Is anybody really saying this? It's true that our roster doesn't have a lot of star power, but it has no weak links and is solid top-to-bottom with pretty good depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 41 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Indeed they did, but Olsen had a fantastic year as Cam's favorite target. That team was stacked at QB, Oline, TE, and RB. Their wide receivers were crap. Their offensive line had a big weakness though............Mike Remmers...........he was Jordan Mills bad and totally imploded in the SB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 27 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: You know what would REALLY endear these players to the team? Pay that bonus anyway. Yep!! That’s the kind of thing 1st class organizations do. I sense that the Bills will operate like that. There is a reason players love Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dokken Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Hey maybe in a few months they can argue about whether this is the worst roster to ever win a championship 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HOUSE Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 LOL. The media is still trying to figure out how the Bills beat the the Jets & Dolphins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Dude has been so bad they can't even give him a nod Ain’t it s shame ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Their offensive line had a big weakness though............Mike Remmers...........he was Jordan Mills bad and totally imploded in the SB. He was so bad. I live in Charlotte... it was ugly around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I think the Bill's DO have an inferior roster. They're still building. That's why they have all the cap room they have. I'm guessing next year there will be one or two new starters in the oline and one or two receivers. There will be a new running back. And there will be an upgrade or two on D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The Bills aren’t in a big market and they don’t have much in the way of national star power. It’s tough to leverage a CB for much of that - even one as stellar as White. Their QB is from a FCS school and was considered very raw/flawed prospect coming out and in the NFL he doesn’t put up big passing numbers. Their other offensive players at skill positions aren’t big names. They are not a sexy team at this point, but the team is winning and that is changing the national perspective. Expect a lot more hype for this team leading up to 2020. They’ll be a popular team for pundits to pump up - especially with the likely departure of Brady and decline of the Cheatriots. While I do expect a lot more love from the national media to be forthcoming, I think there is some hyperbole in this thread. It wasn’t like they expected the Bills to be trash, they just didn’t expect them to be this good. A lot of that has to do with Allen and his improvement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Our offense is bottom third in production. Our defense, while amazing, is middle of the road in fantasy scoring. We don't have a pass rusher putting up 20 sacks. Singletary and Brown are flying under the radar in an unspectacular offense. Besides TreDavious our defense gets recognized as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, BuffaloButt said: Levi Wallace was not drafted in the 1st round. Still we do have high round caliber players on Defense. Now we need to do the same on Offense. Sorry - I had Kevin Johnson starting - I had thought they had officially made the switch (my bad). Edited December 18, 2019 by Coach55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 hours ago, BuffaloButt said: Levi Wallace was not drafted in the 1st round. Still we do have high round caliber players on Defense. Now we need to do the same on Offense. 8 minutes ago, Coach55 said: Sorry - I had Kevin Johnson starting - I had thought they had officially made the switch (my bad). And Knox was 3rd round, not 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 On offense we have an inferior roster. On defense we have a lot of really good players. We do lack super stars, although Tre White has entered that category recently. We need Allen and another offensive weapon to develop into elite players. Then we are golden. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rc2catch Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Is there anything else we can possibly be offended by on here this week? Awful lot of whining going on for a playoff team. They can all stamp their marks this year and have an opportunity to gain a whole new set of fans. To give the media more to talk about. They’re starting to pay attention and recognize buffalo as a threat to the favored top teams. One step at a time guys. One game at a time. We have the ability to dominate at times and also lay a complete dud occasionally. Let Baltimore and Kansas City have all the love, as long as we beat them in the playoffs none of this other stuff matters. If you want to be treated like other teams you gotta beat them. I can understand we need things to chat about on here but we’re really nitpicking about being so offended over commentators and talking heads on tv shows and popularity votes. It’s Christmas, be thankful for what we have and not what we’re missing. For 20 years football is usually over for us before December even starts. Best fan base in the country in my opinion. Go Buffalo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yep!! That’s the kind of thing 1st class organizations do. I sense that the Bills will operate like that. There is a reason players love Buffalo. Would that be NFL legal though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I don't buy the inferior roster notion. I do think that on the offense, a fairly high number of players are pretty early in their learning curve. : Allen, Singletary, Knox and Ford. Three of those are rookies, and, of course, Allen is in just his second year. Also being a completely rebuilt, (Allen and Dawkins being the only holdovers) achieving chemistry has been a process this season. With a number of one and two year deals for the guards, Gore and Nsekhe, there will continue to be some turnover over the next couple years, but not nearly to the degree we had this year. The decrease in turnover should result in increased production next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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