dave mcbride Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) I thought it might be a good idea to revisit that decision, largely because he has proven now that he's an above-average NFL starting DT. After reading this, I am so glad that Gase is still coaching in the AFC East: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article222300710.html. Edited November 18, 2019 by dave mcbride 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Yeah I mean they cut Jordan Phillips last year, this year he's currently leading all DTs in sacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) He was a high draft pick too, going in the first half of the second round. A lot of people thought he'd go in the late first. Walter Football was pretty high on him: https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015jphillips.php In this draft scouting report, he's compared to Snacks Harrison: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2410300-jordan-phillips-nfl-draft-2015-scouting-report-grade-for-dolphins-rookie The larger point is that guys like Phillips aren't always going to be ideal employees, and you have to actually manage them because the talent is there. You can't give up on it. Maybe you trade the player or sit him down, but cutting a talented player like that when you're 3-1 (which is what the Dolphins were after 4 games last season) is just plain dumb. Phillips wasn't his guy -- he was drafted just prior to the last year of the Joe Philbin era -- and Gase's emotional reaction got the best of him (as it did with other players). It certainly worked out for the Bills -- Phillips has been truly disruptive this season. Edited November 18, 2019 by dave mcbride 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Gase is an egomaniac fake tough guy whose players don't like or respect him. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Is there any other Jet players lurking out there that can help the Bills? Come on Gase, help us out some more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 One man's trash..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I’ll admit I didn’t think Gase was as bad as people made him out to be. But he seems to have some social issues and is a total weirdo. He’s probably fine as an OC but isn’t a leader of men. Happy to admit I’m wrong and that he’s the Jets coach. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 He technically sacked Fitz in Buffalo but because it was so fast, it was just logged as TFL. He should have 8 sacks. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, r00tabaga said: He technically sacked Fitz in Buffalo but because it was so fast, it was just logged as TFL. He should have 8 sacks. Not counting it as a sack cost me a fantasy football win. Still waiting to reverse the decision. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I’ll admit I didn’t think Gase was as bad as people made him out to be. But he seems to have some social issues and is a total weirdo. He’s probably fine as an OC but isn’t a leader of men. Happy to admit I’m wrong and that he’s the Jets coach. Agree 100%. The more I see of him, he seems like an introvert who has a decent grasp of the x's and o's, but has trouble leading people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Gase is an egomaniac fake tough guy whose players don't like or respect him. And apparently, a taste for tacos. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 47 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I’ll admit I didn’t think Gase was as bad as people made him out to be. But he seems to have some social issues and is a total weirdo. He’s probably fine as an OC but isn’t a leader of men. Happy to admit I’m wrong and that he’s the Jets coach. Big of you to finally come around and admit your mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: He was a high draft pick too, going in the first half of the second round. A lot of people thought he'd go in the late first. Walter Football was pretty high on him: https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015jphillips.php In this draft scouting report, he's compared to Snacks Harrison: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2410300-jordan-phillips-nfl-draft-2015-scouting-report-grade-for-dolphins-rookie The larger point is that guys like Phillips aren't always going to be ideal employees, and you have to actually manage them because the talent is there. You can't give up on it. Maybe you trade the player or sit him down, but cutting a talented player like that when you're 3-1 (which is what the Dolphins were after 4 games last season) is just plain dumb. Phillips wasn't his guy -- he was drafted just prior to the last year of the Joe Philbin era -- and Gase's emotional reaction got the best of him (as it did with other players). It certainly worked out for the Bills -- Phillips has been truly disruptive this season. Cutting "not my guy" is one of the most overdone and stupid things new coaches and GMs do. It's just dumb. And only should be done if that coach or GM already evaluated the guy in college specifically and in depth, ALREADY didn't like him, then studied his entire pro career in depth, STILL didn't like him, and thought we could do significantly better. Edited November 18, 2019 by Kelly the Dog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 59 minutes ago, r00tabaga said: He technically sacked Fitz in Buffalo but because it was so fast, it was just logged as TFL. He should have 8 sacks. I thought they were gonna do that to Ed yesterday. I’m pretty sure it was gonna be a run and Ed just got back there way too fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Quote And this is not about how Phillips will be motivated to play the Dolphins because he’s upset they cut him. Why would be be upset? If anything, I'm guessing he's grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Is there any other Jet players lurking out there that can help the Bills? Come on Gase, help us out some more! Gase never wanted Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: But he seems to have some social issues and is a total weirdo. He definitely has the dead body of his mother still laying in the bed they share. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, eball said: Big of you to finally come around and admit your mistake. Yeah, I’m shocked as you are that I was wrong! I do think the Jets season is different if they don’t lose Darnold and Mosley though. But Gase has an awful personality. They are better off admitting their mistake and moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Cutting "not my guy" is one of the most overdone and stupid things new coaches and GMs do. It's just dumb. And only should be done if that coach or GM already evaluated the guy in college specifically and in depth, ALREADY didn't like him, then studied his entire pro career in depth, STILL didn't like him, and thought we could do significantly better. And not just in football. Happens in ordinary workplace environments all the time when the new boss shows up. And it's not less stupid. I attribute it to insecurity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Gase never wanted Bell. It would be funny to see how the Jests fan would react to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: It would be funny to see how the Jests fan would react to that. First game, their fans were ridiculous in regards to Bell. They wanted him no doubt...only thing they had to look forward to. I'm glad their carrying on has backfired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: And apparently, a taste for tacos. ? pink tacos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 The longer Gase is their coach, the better for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: He was a high draft pick too, going in the first half of the second round. A lot of people thought he'd go in the late first. Walter Football was pretty high on him: https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015jphillips.php In this draft scouting report, he's compared to Snacks Harrison: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2410300-jordan-phillips-nfl-draft-2015-scouting-report-grade-for-dolphins-rookie The larger point is that guys like Phillips aren't always going to be ideal employees, and you have to actually manage them because the talent is there. You can't give up on it. Maybe you trade the player or sit him down, but cutting a talented player like that when you're 3-1 (which is what the Dolphins were after 4 games last season) is just plain dumb. Phillips wasn't his guy -- he was drafted just prior to the last year of the Joe Philbin era -- and Gase's emotional reaction got the best of him (as it did with other players). It certainly worked out for the Bills -- Phillips has been truly disruptive this season. Phillips is very athletic for a big guy. He's at least as strong as you'd expect for a 6'5" 340 lb dude, as will as both quicker and faster. He was emotionala and maybe a little immature coming out of college. The problem in Miami was a complete lack of culture. Beane and McDermott deliberately focused on developing and nurturing a culture that helps bring out the best in players. Phillips has greatly benefitted. Edited November 18, 2019 by TigerJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, r00tabaga said: He technically sacked Fitz in Buffalo but because it was so fast, it was just logged as TFL. He should have 8 sacks. It was a TFL because Fitz attempted a hand-off, but it was a busted play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 36 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: It was a TFL because Fitz attempted a hand-off, but it was a busted play. I was two rows back, he didn't attempt anything. It could have been play action ,could have been a handoff, could have been a straight pass .....we'll never know....thx Jordan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Is there any other Jet players lurking out there that can help the Bills? Come on Gase, help us out some more! ...LOL....we can just keep scooping up other club's leftovers......a "tip of the cap" to GB's Ted Thompson for Micah Hyde as well...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Adam, welcome to the AFCE. I hope you’re here for awhile as he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, r00tabaga said: I was two rows back, he didn't attempt anything. It could have been play action ,could have been a handoff, could have been a straight pass .....we'll never know....thx Jordan 3:19 looks like a blown handoff to me. Phillips blew it up so quick you can't tell really, could have been play action. I think that's why it's a TFL and not a sack. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000001067611/Dolphins-vs-Bills-highlights-Week-7 Edited November 18, 2019 by Freddie's Dead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 He needs to be resigned. Probably, ASAP. I think Phillips has been the most consistent D lineman all year. I like his attitude he brings to the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I’ll admit I didn’t think Gase was as bad as people made him out to be. But he seems to have some social issues and is a total weirdo. He’s probably fine as an OC but isn’t a leader of men. Happy to admit I’m wrong and that he’s the Jets coach. I found the final paragraph here to be very funny. The piece is about his crazy-eyed press conference: https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2019/1/15/18183659/adam-gase-meme-nfl-jets-wtf 'I was fully prepared to hear there’s some sort of medical reason why Gase looked like he was trying to send a hidden message — but by all accounts there aren’t. Gase went on the radio Tuesday morning and was asked about his eyes, and had no explanation at all. “I don’t even know what that is,” Gase said on the subject of being an internet meme. “I don’t have Twitter, I don’t have Instagram, I don’t look at the internet, I don’t really watch TV, I watch movies. That’s it. The only time I get to know anything is when somebody tells me.” There were about 300 ways Gase could have played this off and won everyone back. He could have made a joke about himself, explained he was nervous ... literally anything. Instead, his way of settling everyone’s nerves while his eyes bugged out like Wile E. Coyote was to explain how he’s a 40-year-old man who doesn’t use the internet or watch TV. He is the absolute perfect coach for the Jets.' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 There must be something about Phillips we dont know... Why havent they extended him??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, artmalibu said: There must be something about Phillips we dont know... Why havent they extended him??? 1) From a teams perspective he's a breakout player with a sketchy past whose market hasn't been entirely set yet and from his he took a prove it deal to get PAID top dollar so neither side is probably ready to settle on that yet. 2) The Bills just drafted a guy top 10 overall who plays his position so I'm not even certain they are all in on paying top of the market. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1) From a teams perspective he's a breakout player with a sketchy past whose market hasn't been entirely set yet and from his he took a prove it deal to get PAID top dollar so neither side is probably ready to settle on that yet. 2) The Bills just drafted a guy top 10 overall who plays his position so I'm not even certain they are all in on paying top of the market. I get the logic. You would think it could be a little more team friendly if done before the season is up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 5 hours ago, TigerJ said: Phillips is very athletic for a big guy. He's at least as strong as you'd expect for a 6'5" 340 lb dude, as will as both quicker and faster. He was emotionala and maybe a little immature coming out of college. The problem in Miami was a complete lack of culture. Beane and McDermott deliberately focused on developing and nurturing a culture that helps bring out the best in players. Phillips has greatly benefitted. The Highlight of the game sunday for me was Allen coming to the sideline and 97 Picking up Josh over his head and holding him there. Blew my mind on more than one level. Love Mr Phillips as a Bill ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Phillips should definitely be re-signed. Especially with the ACL injury that Harrison Phillips sustained. Thanks to Gase for cutting him in the 1st place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, artmalibu said: I get the logic. You would think it could be a little more team friendly if done before the season is up. You're assuming Phillips and his agent dont want to hit the open market after his best season ever. They do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, matter2003 said: Gase is an egomaniac fake tough guy whose players don't like or respect him. Insert wide-eyed Gase face here ^^^ Edited November 19, 2019 by SydneyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 The article doesn't even mention that he has 7 sacks or that it should be 8, but 1 was mistakenly scored a TFL. He should be getting a lot more than 23 snaps per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 9 hours ago, GreggTX said: The article doesn't even mention that he has 7 sacks or that it should be 8, but 1 was mistakenly scored a TFL. He should be getting a lot more than 23 snaps per game. The article was from a year ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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