Can the Detractors Now Admit Allen's Growth?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

No he sucks and will forever and he said some racist stuff when was 13 and i dont want to like him so i never will

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

How many screens, swing passes, dump offs, jet sweep passes, or WR screens did he throw today? One? two? Those are the plays that QBs complete that get their perecentages way up. 

 

Couple of bubble screen type plays to McKenzie and a pop pass. Think that was it. 

[Best Player Available]

1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said:

Plus it is hard for a West Coast team coming east- waking up at 8 am is like waking up at 5 am. Playing at 1 am is like playing at 10 am. Another nice lil advantage.

When did Denver end up on the west coast? 

[BITE ME]

If Allen gets hot and stays hot (consistency is key) the Bills will be very tough to beat in the playoffs.   If he can get some confidence by getting into the playoffs and beating someone like the Texans, watch out.  A hot Allen and a hot defense and the Bills will be really tough.  You never know.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

Against a team he was supposed to put up good numbers against, Allen comes through.

 

Stat line: 21-33 for 256 yards and 3 TD'S

                 7 carries for 56 yards and 1 TD

                 7.8 yards per att and 117.7 rtg

 

He was calm in the pocket, went to his 2nd and 3rd read, put a lot of passes right on the money so the WR could get YAC, beat the blitz on a number of occasions, used his legs when the opportunity presented itself, and he didn't throw an INT for the 5th straight game. The young man is growing as a QB and that should be evident to all.

 

but it was Miami and he didn't pass for 300

 

 

[billsfan_34]

1 minute ago, Best Player Available said:

When did Denver end up on the west coast? 

Im pretty sure most know what I meant- Go Bills

[Helpmenow]

Good game, it’s the dolphins. Let’s see it the rest of the year 

[london_bills]

26 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Absolutely. Denver next week at home is a game you have to win regardless of your remaining schedule.

Your playing a kid making his 3rd start , in a stadium that should be electric , in conditions that should be difficult. Yup , gotta win that one

You have to beat denver because we all know there's little evidence to say we will realistically win more than the jets and Broncos games, perhaps one of the others like other posters have said. 

Edited November 17, 2019 by london_bills

[Scott7975]

38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

These numbers are correct but he has played safe in too many of those games. Today he was trusting his eyes and throwing what he saw. That led to a few ugly inaccurate passes here and there but look at the benefits we derived from it. 

 

I keep saying it. Let him throw. Let him play a bit of hero ball. He is a better QB when the game is in his hands. 

Almost as if he played... fearless

[Real McClappy]

1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said:

Im pretty sure most know what I meant- Go Bills

2hr time swing

[Wayne Arnold]

 

[LSHMEAB]

I would say he's had several bad to subpar games in a row, so the progress is not linear. It's not like this game was the culmination of previous week's growth.

 

What we saw is the offensive staff allowing a big play QB to make plays.

 

I don't know what to expect against better competition, but I know that something clicked with the team; the approach of asking such a player to "not make mistakes" was NEVER going to work.

 

I want to see it on a consistent basis, but I'm encouraged.

[Just Joshin']

37 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

Seriously?  Allen sucked last week, the detractors screamed they were right.  He had a good week this week, his supporters are screaming they are right.

 

What both groups miss is that one game doesn't prove anything, either way.  You're all idiots.

Seems like it could be agreed that he has improved over last year, needs to continue to improve and is not a finished product.

 

The idiots are the ones that hold a position that he is a bust or a franchise QB.  The jury is out for the majority of fans.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

I would say he's had several bad to subpar games in a row, so the progress is not linear. It's not like this game was the culmination of previous week's growth.

 

What we saw is the offensive staff allowing a big play QB to make plays.

 

I don't know what to expect against better competition, but I know that something clicked with the team; the approach of asking such a player to "not make mistakes" was NEVER going to work.

 

I want to see it on a consistent basis, but I'm encouraged.

Read the post directly above yours. 

[HappyDays]

I liked that today he ran when he felt like running. That is part of his game and it makes no sense to restrict that. Maybe on a couple of his runs there was a play to be made in the passing game, I don't know, but let him be that kind of QB. One more thing for the defense to account for. It feels like the past few weeks he has been afraid to run.

[GoBills808]

^nah nothing clicked. They weren’t out there celebrating tds crazy or super hyped. Just the better team taking out the lesser one, happens most every Sunday

[Don Otreply]

The post game thread just hit 4 pages, as compared to last week when Not fans of the team fans where out in force, it’s real quiet today ?

 

 

[Awwufelloff]

Allen is good against bad teams and really bad against good teams. 

[WideNine]

39 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

Seriously?  Allen sucked last week, the detractors screamed they were right.  He had a good week this week, his supporters are screaming they are right.

 

What both groups miss is that one game doesn't prove anything, either way.  You're all idiots.

 

Don't hold back the shade-throwing - how do you really feel Tom? ?

 

Plenty of folks have been saying there will be good and bad games as Allen learns the ropes. Last week was rough with plenty of venting from everyone, and the Bills needed to shake things up.

 

I have a feeling McDermott was more actively involved in the game planning and self-scouting for both sides of the ball after last week. I think that is likely how they came up with Daboll in the booth and Frazier being uncharacteristically more aggressive on D.

 

 

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Read the post directly above yours. 

Yes. That doesn't convince me the previous games were "good outings." This was.

 

2 TD'S 0 picks is nice if you're consistently moving the ball down the field; which he did today. For all the talk of lack of rushes, part of that is by virtue of not making enough plays to keep drives alive; again, he did that today.

 

Are you telling me those outings were the building blocks for today? That the Cleveland game signaled progress? I would say that's incorrect. I would say the whole mentality shift from "'let's not mess up" to "let's go ball out" was key.

[BuffaloBaumer]

28 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

bull#### on that first sentence. You yourself admit you want them to draft another QB next year.

 

 

Until you know 100% that you have your franchise quarterback, I think it is idiotic not to keep drafting them so you increase your chances.

[london_bills]

3 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Seems like it could be agreed that he has improved over last year, needs to continue to improve and is not a finished product.

 

The idiots are the ones that hold a position that he is a bust or a franchise QB.  The jury is out for the majority of fans.

I don't think those people are idiots but people get emotional and post.

 

The way Allen plays week in week out leads to these opinions. He has been Consistently inconsistent. I understand having patience yes. I understand him having a bad game and thinking thats the real him. 

 

The jury is still out for me as he needs to be judged over more time, but I know I feel different about allen depending on what he does from game to game. 

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yes. That doesn't convince me the previous games were "good outings." This was.

 

2 TD'S 0 picks is nice if you're consistently moving the ball down the field; which he did today. For all the talk of lack of rushes, part of that is by virtue of not making enough plays to keep drives alive; again, he did that today.

 

Are you telling me those outings were the building blocks for today? That the Cleveland game signaled progress? I would say that's incorrect. I would say the whole mentality shift from "'let's not mess up" to "let's go ball out" was key.

The last line I agree with completely, but that is not Josh's fault. I also do not at all think he had five straight poor or subpar games. 

[LSHMEAB]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

^nah nothing clicked. They weren’t out there celebrating tds crazy or super hyped. Just the better team taking out the lesser one, happens most every Sunday

You think they'd have been running up-tempo with a ten point lead and 11 minutes left in the 4th QTR if there wasn't a concerted effort to be more aggressive? 

 

I'm guessing no.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

I mean sure, the "detractors" can admit when he has a good game. I see no reason why not.

 

Go for it!

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, LSHMEAB said:

You think they'd have been running up-tempo with a ten point lead and 11 minutes left in the 4th QTR if there wasn't a concerted effort to be more aggressive? 

 

I'm guessing no.

That was completely unexpected and unusual though. They were predictable, boring, and not being aggressive most all of the game. They ran on first down almost every series. They didn't look downfield. 

[Warcodered]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

That was completely unexpected and unusual though. They were predictable, boring, and not being aggressive most all of the game. They ran on first down almost every series. They didn't look downfield. 

Yeah they did come back from their last score and go run run pass. Could of mixed it up a little run pass run/pass(situational) or pass run run/pass(situational) it seemed awfully predictable on that series.

[BigBobby]

1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said:

Wait 1 game? I want consistency... EVERYONE wants consistency. ***** people put up these attack threads over 1 game, its pathetic.

 

Sweet. Here's some consistency-only qb in NFL with 2 tds in each of last 5 or 6 games.  0 ints in last 5 games. So...putting up tds and not throwing picks. Not bad in year 2

[Don Otreply]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yes. That doesn't convince me the previous games were "good outings." This was.

 

2 TD'S 0 picks is nice if you're consistently moving the ball down the field; which he did today. For all the talk of lack of rushes, part of that is by virtue of not making enough plays to keep drives alive; again, he did that today.

 

Are you telling me those outings were the building blocks for today? That the Cleveland game signaled progress? I would say that's incorrect. I would say the whole mentality shift from "'let's not mess up" to "let's go ball out" was key.

The last sentence is likely the case here today. Every game regardless of outcome is part of the learning process for athletes in general, so yes all those lack luster games are indeed part of Allen’s learning curve. 

I sure do hope this level of offensive output is now the new normal. Anyways, it was a good outing for the team, now the pressure ramps up for the rest of the season, we shall see what we shall see, going forward.

 

Go Bills!!!

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah they did come back from their last score and go run run pass. Could of mixed it up a little run pass run/pass(situational) or pass run run/pass(situational) it seemed awfully predictable on that series.

The whole game except that one series. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

Is that your enema bag?!?!??

Edited November 17, 2019 by Sherlock Holmes

[Yav]

I think the problem with Allen has been the decision to hold him back and not loose games. They need to let the kid sling that rock and take their lumps. If they do that the reward out weighs the risk. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

16 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Until you know 100% that you have your franchise quarterback, I think it is idiotic not to keep drafting them so you increase your chances.

But why keep drafting QBS when we already have one? That seems like a wasted draft pick to me unless it’s in the 6th to 7th round. I hear Gms say that drafting qbs high every year is good business I don’t see it that way I see it as your drafting for the sake of it and that to me is wasting draft picks. Our QB room is fine, let’s all appreciate the fact that we got Allen which behind Lamar Jackson is the best QB in last years draft. Neither Darnold, Mayfield or Rosen seem to be helping there teams especially Rosen. Statistically Rosen Darnold and Mayfield are garbage this season

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Is that your enema bag?!?!??

 Nah, just a resemblance of some guy big mad claiming my post is "attacking"

[Trogdor]

Progress for me is stringing performances like these together. He had a few good games last year too, but it's not consistent. Basically stuck back in the Fitz mode of just waiting for this to be the norm. Hopefully it does, but we will see next week. 

[GoBills808]

22 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

You think they'd have been running up-tempo with a ten point lead and 11 minutes left in the 4th QTR if there wasn't a concerted effort to be more aggressive? 

 

I'm guessing no.

Not a lot different today than in games past but people have a hard time seeing a 17 week season rather than a bunch of 1 game variables 

 

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 minutes ago, H2o said:

 Nah, just a resemblance of some guy big mad claiming my post is "attacking"

Ah, so it's his douchebag!!!!

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Not a lot different today than in games past but people have a hard time seeing a 17 week season rather than a bunch of 1 game variables 

 

 

 

Right i'm on the side of don't get to high or to low. After week 16 I think maybe give him my thoughts.

[Alphadawg7]

I’m a big Allen fan and believer, was even on draft night.  But I am going to be unbiased here.  
 

A thread like this is just as silly as a bash thread after one bad game.  I mean Allen and the offense were coming off a subpar performance, so seems premature to do a I told you so thread after beating up on a weak opponent this week.  
 

Keeping perspective:  1 game - vs a very bad team missing it’s 2 remaining best defensive players due to injury.  
 

Thrilled to see Allen and the offense have a great game.  But also not really a “I told you so” game either when we did what was expected of us.  
 

That being said, Allen has definitely progressed, and to me that was obvious even before this game today.  We got a much tougher schedule ahead of us, so let’s hope they build on today’s strong performance and keep growing.

 

Excited to see how he and this team performs down the stretch during the tough parts of our schedule.  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

57 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

How many screens, swing passes, dump offs, jet sweep passes, or WR screens did he throw today? One? two? Those are the plays that QBs complete that get their perecentages way up. 

 

Agree, I wonder if you only looked at passes from say 8 to 20 yards how his completion percentage would compare.