Bills at Browns Post Game Post Mortem

[zonabb]

Exactly as I predicted. A loss. I said Chubb would run over this team, he did. I said that would open up the passing game, it did. 

 

In the end, this isn't on the kicker, as every homer and excuse maker here wants to make. A 52 yarder to tie the game, on grass, for a kicker who kicks on turf, isn't a gimme. Allen sucked today. He's slow and indecisive. And the coaching didn't help. Singletary had as many touches as that pile of human excrement for the Browns that hasn't played in a year. And the FO's fingerprints are all over this as well. The drafted a raw, real f'in raw, QB. They went out and grabbed a bunch of mediocre smurfs to play WR. They signed a lot of mediocre FA OL who aren't good. What they did n FA was depth moves teams make but for this team, they're starters.

So keep up the homer talk, but this team is what I and many others have said while being accused of being anti-fans. They have 6 wins against garbage teams. 

 

This one is on Allen's suckitude and Daboll's garbage offense. To win you need to outscore the opponent and this team wins close games against bad teams and can never win a game on their own. Every win is a squeaker thanks to the D. Relying on that gets you what you got today. When you hear the Raven's threw out their playbooks and redesigned their entire offense around Jackson and Daboll runs the same predictable 3 and 5 slants week after week, you should understand this team will be rebuilding in 2021-2022 after the failed Allen experiment ends on 2020.

 

I won my bet today, took the Browns -2.5. Easiest pick of the week. Bills haven't beat anyone and the Browns have been beaten by good teams. If you couldn't see that, you're staring through your rose colored glasses.

 

This team ends 9-7 and outside the playoffs. Losses to the Ravens, Cowboys, Steelers, and Pats and it's over. I wouldn't be shocked if they finish 8-8 and also lose against the Broncos at home. 

 

 

 

 

[Irv]

Got lucky early in the year winning with the other team missing field goals.  Payback today.  We're not that good.  Let's face it.  Might sneak in the playoffs this year.  That's about it.    Fun game to watch!!!  Go Bills.  

[CaptnCoke11]

Playoffs are in serious jeopardy now.  Next two games are must wins and right now with the state of this offense they are probably 50/50 at best to win.  

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

Browns have some serious high level players

 elite perhaps

Chubb Landry and Beckham come to mind. that is very tough to defense and we did quite well.
Mistakes will kill you ,and the Bills made mistakes

Allen again needs to look in the mirror with putting ball on the carpet

So we dont have the roster to compete?  I agree.  Upgrading the wr, dl is necessary 

 

 

[Cygnus99]

Just now, CaptnCoke11 said:

Playoffs are in serious jeopardy now.  Next two games are must wins and right now with the state of this offense they are probably 50/50 at best to win.  

Miami is going to beat us unfortunately

[TwistofFate]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Taking off and running from what I can see, as well as short, quick slants which is what we should be running.  It isn't the deep ball; he has the arm, not the accuracy.  

He's not Jackson, hell isn't even Tyrod.   

 

I have no idea what Allen is anymore.

 

He can barely hit a guy in stride unless he has 4 seconds and completely clean pocket.

 

I had hope for him in the beginning of the season, there's no hope now. 

 

He simply doesn't have the it factor, nor does he have a single strong go to ability. 

[DuckyBoys]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

Way to ignore the ? in the room. 

 

Those shots were there.   The timing to call them was there.   The execution was NOT. 

Why call them?  Its obvious Allen isnt there as a passer to hit consistently he hasnt hit a deep shot yet   Its like Kitchens not running the football.  Stop outsmarting yourself  Just get the first down  Take those shots off play action on 1st down or 2nd and short.  Dabol makes things way too tough and complicated Too smart for his own good

[BuffaloBaumer]

They will go into Jets game with 8 wins, doubt that will be enough

[Sherlock Holmes]

40 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Well huas money was the reason we lost. 

Until he gets his $#!+ together he will now be known as Hausch Monopoly Money

[Agent 91]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

Browns have some serious high level players

 elite perhaps

Chubb Landry and Beckham come to mind. that is very tough to defense and we did quite well.
Mistakes will kill you ,and the Bills made mistakes

Allen again needs to look in the mirror with putting ball on the carpet

Allen HAS to wake up. He can not be allowed to put the ball on the carpet

 And he cant be allowed to sleepwalk to start the game. Levi and run d not withstsnding...  we held them to 19 points. I just cant deal with the constant passes for Allen. The reason he keeps coming back in the 4th... is because he never puts anyone to bed early 

[BillnutinHouston]

29 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Let’s face it we still don’t have enough talent on offense. Josh was mediocre, his right tackles are terrible so they can’t run right or throw deep without him getting hit in the face, and the WRs aren’t getting much separation if any.

You think right tackle was the problem?  Interesting. Myles Garrett was beating Dawkins, our LT, regularly.

[Franco_92]

Gotta win the next 2 for sure.

[Big C]

3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Taking off and running from what I can see, as well as short, quick slants which is what we should be running.  It isn't the deep ball; he has the arm, not the accuracy.  

 

Allen has gotten significantly better at the intermediate throws. We seem to convert a decent number of 2nd and 3rd & long situations. I feel like we are more likely to convert 3rd and 10 than 3rd & 3, but I don't have numbers to prove it. 

[BITE ME]

1 minute ago, Cygnus99 said:

Miami is going to beat us unfortunately

 

If they run the ball and the heat gets to the Bills, it could EASILY happen. 40-60 IMO.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...I have to agree that Allen and Money were the "L" culprits......OC Daboll was on top of his game with dialing up 12 rushes......need to extend this guy...........

[Gunsgoodtime]

Just now, DuckyBoys said:

Why call them?  Its obvious Allen isnt there as a passer to hit consistently he hasnt hit a deep shot yet   Its like Kitchens not running the football.  Stop outsmarting yourself  Just get the first down  Take those shots off play action on 1st down or 2nd and short.  Dabol makes things way too tough and complicated Too smart for his own good

We have had the opportunity,  Josh just misses everytime 

[Kevmurph1213]

11 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

I swear clock management by not just the Bills but the majority of the teams across the NFL and college football is absolutely brutal. It's like they have no clue how a clock works.

 

Like yeah let's throw a pass to Singletary.. he gets tackled then let's burn at least 25 seconds before the next play and leave 26 seconds on the gameclock at the CLE 35-yard line. We had 59 seconds left with a timeout left from their 41-yard line then one play later we have 26 seconds left from their 35-yard line. Seriously WTH.

 

I'll see so many scenarios in college where there will be 1:52 on the clock.. the other team has no timeouts left and it's 1st down and the other team comes out and runs a play instead of victory formation. NFL has a lot of issues like that too.

 

The IQ level of so many football players and coaches makes you wonder how they can even tie their own shoelaces.

So you’re saying we ran out of time?

[Protocal69]

1 minute ago, zonabb said:

Exactly as I predicted. A loss. I said Chubb would run over this team, he did. I said that would open up the passing game, it did. 

 

In the end, this isn't on the kicker, as every homer and excuse maker here wants to make. A 52 yarder to tie the game, on grass, for a kicker who kicks on turf, isn't a gimme. Allen sucked today. He's slow and indecisive. And the coaching didn't help. Singletary had as many touches as that pile of human excrement for the Browns that hasn't played in a year. And the FO's fingerprints are all over this as well. The drafted a raw, real f'in raw, QB. They went out and grabbed a bunch of mediocre smurfs to play WR. They signed a lot of mediocre FA OL who aren't good. What they did n FA was depth moves teams make but for this team, they're starters.

So keep up the homer talk, but this team is what I and many others have said while being accused of being anti-fans. They have 6 wins against garbage teams. 

 

This one is on Allen's suckitude and Daboll's garbage offense. To win you need to outscore the opponent and this team wins close games against bad teams and can never win a game on their own. Every win is a squeaker thanks to the D. Relying on that gets you what you got today. When you hear the Raven's threw out their playbooks and redesigned their entire offense around Jackson and Daboll runs the same predictable 3 and 5 slants week after week, you should understand this team will be rebuilding in 2021-2022 after the failed Allen experiment ends on 2020.

 

I won my bet today, took the Browns -2.5. Easiest pick of the week. Bills haven't beat anyone and the Browns have been beaten by good teams. If you couldn't see that, you're staring through your rose colored glasses.

 

This team ends 9-7 and outside the playoffs. Losses to the Ravens, Cowboys, Steelers, and Pats and it's over. I wouldn't be shocked if they finish 8-8 and also lose against the Broncos at home. 

 

 

 

 

Since you are a betting man and you want to run your mouth I’ll bet you 200.00 on a 4 team parlay that they BIlls beat 1 out of those 4 teams.

 

How does that sound.

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

It’s not disingenuous to say that pass contributed to the loss at all. Was it THE reason for the loss? Of course not. But waiving that play away and saying “low percentage” so it didn’t matter? That it was inconsequential? BS. You’re the disingenuous one. Joshie is a big boy now and the QB of the team. He bears blame here. Or you can keep deluding yourself. Pathetic

 

Explain why without trying to point to only one pass. I'm not absolving him of all blame, but the idiots here claiming he sucks because of this game, or that he was the main reason we lost, and then pointing to one missed pass are, in fact, idiots. 

[clearwater cadet]

We suck and the sabres are just as sh#ty!

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

He's not Jackson, hell isn't even Tyrod.   

 

I have no idea what Allen is anymore.

 

He can barely hit a guy in stride unless he has 4 seconds and completely clean pocket.

 

I had hope for him in the beginning of the season, there's no hope now. 

 

He simply doesn't have the it factor, nor does he have a single strong go to ability. 

 

Poor guy; your life is ruined.  

[london_bills]

Allen leaves plays on the field. 

[Ray Finkel]

22 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

When the Titans with Tannehill can field a potent offense and you can’t score 20 against the Browns, changes need to be made.

Don’t worry Cam Newton will be here soon.

[Happy]

Just now, Big C said:

 

Allen has gotten significantly better at the intermediate throws. We seem to convert a decent number of 2nd and 3rd & long situations. I feel like we are more likely to convert 3rd and 10 than 3rd & 3, but I don't have numbers to prove it. 

 

Yeah, 10-20 yards he does fine.  It is that 20+ he shouldn't be attempting at critical situations such as 3rd and short.

[RiotAct]

my BAC is now a .22 after the game.  So there’s that I guess.

[par73]

36 minutes ago, mynmisoli said:

with 45 seconds left atleast run the ball to try and get a few yards to set up your kicker.  instead we huddle up and throw the ball away?  weird.  Also can Haushka even kick the ball 50 yards anymore?  

Seconds were ticking away. I was shocked that they showed no urgency.

[Billsatlastin2018]

Again, I have a perfect Pre Season Record...
 

WK1 @ Jets. WIN (1-0)

WK2 @ Giants WIN (2-0)

WK3 Bengals WIN (3-0)

WK4 Patriots LOSS (3-1)

WK5 @ Titans WIN (4-1)

WK6 BYE (4-1) 

WK7 Dolphins WIN (5-1)

WK8 Eagles LOSS (5-2)

WK9 Redskins WIN (6-2)

WK10 @ Browns LOSS (6-3)

WK11 @ Dolphins WIN (7-3) 

WK12 Broncos WIN (8-3)

WK13 @ Cowboys LOSS (8-4)

WK14 Ravens WIN (9-4)

WK15 @ Steelers LOSS (9-5)

WK16 @ Patriots LOSS (9-6)

WK17 Jets WIN  (10-6) 

 

unforunately.

 

 

[Estelle Getty]

It was the Scot Norwood set up all over agin. Horrible play calling put a shaky kicker in a bad spot 

[Big C]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Yeah, 10-20 yards he does fine.  It is that 20+ he shouldn't be attempting at critical situations such as 3rd and short.

 

Yeah that 3rd & 3 deep shot to Beasley of all people was so ill-advised. I have no idea if that was Daboll's call or if Allen opted to let it rip, but it was a terrible play.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

27 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

That's literally partly the difference.  Two missed FGs are the partly the difference.  So the defense didn't let Baker march them down and let Chubb rumbled for like 20 yds with half the defense on his back?   But hey, it's all Allen's fault because that fits your narrative.

It’s the NFL, every offense is going to make plays from time to time, even the worst. The Bengals scored today... It’s not any narrative, the defense held them to 19 points, they did their job. That drive should’ve been garbage time for Mayfield.

The defense shut down hoe many goal to go try’s in a row?

Came up with a huge safety to tie the game.

Yeah, this loss is on the ineptness of the offense.

Hauschka can get like 5%, but again they should be scoring Touchdowns. The offense needs to convert the big plays that are afforded to them.

No, none of this loss is on the defense, sorry Charlie.

Edited November 10, 2019 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan

[Agent 91]

41 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

Kicker left 6 points on the board and the QB sucked. Not on the coaches at all

I only blame MCDERMOTT AND BEANE for sitting on their hands and not fixing the run defense. 2 complete drafts 3 FA periods and they just let the trade deadline pass again. Corey Liuget that's what they give us as a salve. How about Vincent Taylor. Come on!!!

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Give it up.   Play calling was absolutely not the problem.  Those plays were there to be had.   Wake the ***** up.  52% completion percentage was the problem.   

 

Overthrows, under throws, bad throws,  thays the problem.   Dont blame the OC for calling the perfect play your Qb cant execute. 

 

So sick of your excuses.   Allen just isnt good enough.   Face it. Own it.  Devise a plan to FIX IT. 

 

So Daboll has a proven track record of good offenses? This offense is stuck in a rut and I am not really sure if it would not be stuck in a rut with any other QB at the helm

 

He shares the blame, there is no way that 2-minute drill should have looked like it did. Your team should be prepared and ready to spike the ball when you catch it in bounds for a 1st and the clock is still running. They looked like the keystone cops out there. Then calling a screen when your average for having those work is n the single digit percentages.

 

I think I know what he was thinking and that is that it should work with the Browns playing deep and only a few guys rushing, but teams know to stay disciplined playing against Allen and not to lose contain. So defensive lines particularly the ends know that they cannot get too deep in their pass rush and that is why they are in good position to sniff out those screens almost every time. So don't call it if it is rarely if ever there even if most fans are screaming for it.

 

The O-line struggled today in pass-pro too, and Allen was much better when he could step into throws, but overall Allen did not have a good game IMO. He particularly had accuracy issues early in the game, so I am not an apologist. He too needs to show more improvement to make it in this league. I do think he took a lot off his throws to Knox to try to help him make those catches on those deeper outs and that allowed defenders to close the gap - Knox needs to be able to catch those outs thrown with heat because they are supposed to get there fast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bob in STL]

Easy to blame the kicker, and yes he should make that 34 yarder (or whatever it was), but the offense is just not getting the job done.  Expecting to tie the game on the road, on grass with a 53 yard FG is stupid. 

 

Play calling or execution?   - its both.   Playing calling is only part of it.  No 100 yard rusher for us again this week, no big play threats at WRs. More dropped balls.  More inaccurate passes by Allen.  Dumb penalties including two penalties in a row after the safety and free kick.  Two more penalties by #85.  Terrible game and clock management by Allen/Daboll on the last drive … just plain terrible.  Have we no ability to run the no huddle and call plays at the line?    Do we practice this?  Answer must be no because we never do it.  Huddling in the last minute right after a time out?  McD needs to get this fixed. 

 

Defense - More trouble with the run again but eventually they figured it out.  Good game overall but they failed to hold with the game on the line.   We have a  good defense that needs a #2 CB and some run stuffing help to be a great defense.  Meanwhile we need to fit #39 for a flame ######ant uniform. 

 

Special Teams - uninspired once again. 

 

Cleveland is a talented but terrible team.   Their coach is a mess and he has no business in this league.  Their sideline is filled with drama and confusion.  Their players are undisciplined.   It sucks to lose to Cleveland and this could be one of the games we point to at the end of the season if things get worse. 

Edited November 10, 2019 by Bob in STL

[MAJBobby]

25 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Welcome to reality.  Glad to have you! 

 

Some of us have been tuned into this for quite a while now.

 

It is going to take a LONG time for more fans to come on board here.

 

Eventually, this will not be a point of contention; it will be obvious.

 

Was not a Allen fan when he was drafted. However he started to win me over. Now though certainly looking like he has hit a ceiling. 

[PolishPrince]

3 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

Allen HAS to wake up. He can not be allowed to put the ball on the carpet

 And he cant be allowed to sleepwalk to start the game. Levi and run d not withstsnding...  we held them to 19 points. I just cant deal with the constant passes for Allen. The reason he keeps coming back in the 4th... is because he never puts anyone to bed early 

Allen sleepwalk? First 5 passes of game he went 1-4. 2 bad drops and a third that was a bad throw by Allen (behind Brown) but catchable. But yeah it’s on him... not Knox for have a two hands on ball on sideline on 3rd down and just dropping it - definitely allen’s Fault

[clayboy54]

10 minutes ago, JTown said:

Mahomes played lights out.  446 yds.

He is not the problem in KC.  That is on their defense.   

If you think differently,  I feel sorry for you. 

And yet KC still lost. This is a team game. The Bills are no different from the Chiefs in that regard.

[suorangefan4]

I said it quite a few times in the GDT and I'll say it again.

 

The refs aren't the main reason we lost but this nonsense where they call the Bills for about 4 holds every week while calling our opponents for none (even though they're holding too) is really old.

 

Holding is one of the worst rules in all of sports because it's called so inconsistently and it lets refs pick and choose when and which team they want to call it on. When you're putting one team 10 yards behind the sticks on four different possessions and not a single time for the other team on such a subjective call that could be called on the majority of plays then I take huge issue with it.

[goldenboy81]

Got a young team and it's better than 2-7 like last year

[london_bills]

The OC is an easier criticism then the QB. Anytime a playcall doesn't work its the OCs fault. Allen never scans the whole field and. Lacks composure and consistency. The QB sets the tone for the team. 

 

Allen won't be replaced now but it's naive to think he will Improve much more than this. 

 

 

[WideNine]

6 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

Allen HAS to wake up. He can not be allowed to put the ball on the carpet

 And he cant be allowed to sleepwalk to start the game. Levi and run d not withstsnding...  we held them to 19 points. I just cant deal with the constant passes for Allen. The reason he keeps coming back in the 4th... is because he never puts anyone to bed early 

 

And your D handed them the score and the lead leaving a minute and change on the clock - they share the blame on this one whether you want to look there or not.