fishgrappler Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 He’s just not that good... he’s not a waste of a pick. Maybe he gets better, maybe we’re saying the same things a year from now.?♂️ I just don’t see him being a big impact player. The problem is that’s what we were suppose to get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 IMO, we’d all like to see a bigger impact. However, I’d ask the same on Hughes and Star? Two veteran players that hav3 been almost invisible for 8 games. Front seven these last three games have really struggled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, PUNT750 said: But - his "metrics" are wonderful even if he can't make plays??? I like stats but in football especially for linemen the numbers can only go so far. But I overall have not seen him use his quickness effectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Defensive rookies who are very good usually make an early impact. And ones that aren't good their rookie year turn into good players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, MJS said: And ones that aren't good their rookie year turn into good players too. just not usually 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 This board does this with Bills draft picks all the time see some of the things Trumaine Edwards has been called in here...the people who do evaluations of every snap of Bills games like Joe Buscgalia say he’s doing very well but I’d make that pick every single day and never regret it as he’s going to be really good with more snaps and an NFL off season conditioning program behind him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Obviously it's too early to make a judgement, but I would like to see a few flashes from him to make me feel better. He just seems so quiet on the field all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 i think everyone who is down on ed should take a looksey at the cant miss, blockbuster, arguably best player in the draft, quinnen williams stats. it will make you feel better. i think the kid is decent but just not a game disrupter yet. prob needs a full offseason of strength conditioning with coaches and seeing how often kyle is in his ear..he will have one of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 53 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: just not usually According to what? Have any data to back that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgrappler Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, MJS said: According to what? Have any data to back that up? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, fishgrappler said: Really? Yes. Really. I want to see the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: I think Oliver will be fine. I liked the pick. Always love building in the trenches first. But yea if we all had it over again I think 80 percent of us would say DK. Absolutely nothing against Oliver. Just saying this offense desperately needs his prototype at WR. Agree with this 100 percent. Still see the talent there. I still would never take Metcalf in the top 10 DTs usually take a few years to flash, Metcalf has Wilson one of the best QBs in the world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Bangarang said: When we drafted him I figured he’d have more of a presence with making plays in the backfield and getting to the QB. He’s having a very quiet season. I'm officially disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: The guy I've been harping about since draft day: Metcalf. This horse is so beaten it's now glue. You know who everyone wanted on the D-line before the draft? Quinnen Williams. Jets fans have declared him a bust after 8 games. Maybe the Bills can pick him up for a 7th in the off-season. A steady hand in developing young players is more important than your (and other's) hot-takes and hindsight drafting. Edited November 4, 2019 by Sundancer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It seems to me that coaching staff relied on Jordan Philips and Vincent Taylor to stop the run. I will look at the snap count analysis, but if this is the case, not a very good sign for Star and Ed, which are supposed to be our starters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I still would never take Metcalf in the top 10 DTs usually take a few years to flash, Metcalf has Wilson one of the best QBs in the world Nor me. Metcalf is playing well. He is exactly who I expected him to be in that offense and yet he is still not a top 10 pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said: It seems to me that coaching staff relied on Jordan Philips and Vincent Taylor to stop the run. I will look at the snap count analysis, but if this is the case, not a very good sign for Star and Ed, which are supposed to be our starters... Oliver didn't start yesterday. Phillips did. Seemed like a lot more Taylor and Shaq in the 2nd half, but most noticeably Taylor. I barely registered Star in the 4th and I was watching that rotation all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 15 hours ago, Bangarang said: When we drafted him I figured he’d have more of a presence with making plays in the backfield and getting to the QB. He’s having a very quiet season. He's too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 12 hours ago, vincec said: Obviously it's too early to make a judgement, but I would like to see a few flashes from him to make me feel better. He just seems so quiet on the field all the time. Did you miss the redskins second drive? He was destroying their line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It's clear that Oliver has to bulk up if he wants to play DT. They'll get him on the steroid program and he'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Try him at MLB on some packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I still would never take Metcalf in the top 10 DTs usually take a few years to flash, Metcalf has Wilson one of the best QBs in the world Agreed. And Lockett out there to draw attention away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) Well well well how the turn tables. There was a time I felt he was getting there. Edited November 4, 2019 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said: It seems to me that coaching staff relied on Jordan Philips and Vincent Taylor to stop the run. I will look at the snap count analysis, but if this is the case, not a very good sign for Star and Ed, which are supposed to be our starters... If pro-football-reference.com is correct, here are the numbers: Vincent Taylor - Only 9 snaps or 18% Ed Oliver only 18 snaps or 35% Phillips 33 or 65% Star 29 snaps or 57% Star was a part of the 2nd half adjustments. To me, it doesn't look so bad for Star. Guys, there has to be a rotation of players. It helps them stay fresh. As for Ed, I think he will be effective as penetrating during passing situations, not as effective as a run stopper. Our LBs and safeties need to do their jobs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dopey said: Our LBs and safeties need to do their jobs too. Edmunds seems terrible when run is going inside the tackle-box, while he's very good covering from sideline to sideline. Even if he is in the right position runner is down three yards after the point of impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dopey said: If pro-football-reference.com is correct, here are the numbers: Vincent Taylor - Only 9 snaps or 18% Ed Oliver only 18 snaps or 35% Phillips 33 or 65% Star 29 snaps or 57% Star was a part of the 2nd half adjustments. To me, it doesn't look so bad for Star. Guys, there has to be a rotation of players. It helps them stay fresh. As for Ed, I think he will be effective as penetrating during passing situations, not as effective as a run stopper. Our LBs and safeties need to do their jobs too. 35 percent isn't that bad - bear in mind that the Redskins ran a ridiculously low 49 plays (because they went 2-11 on third down). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said: Edmunds seems terrible when run is going inside the tackle-box, while he's very good covering from sideline to sideline. Even if he is in the right position runner is down three yards after the point of impact. I'm hoping he gets better at gap assignment. He can be a good one. Still a work in progress. Maybe he's still "thinking about it" too much and not to the point where it's a reaction. 10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: 35 percent isn't that bad - bear in mind that the Redskins ran a ridiculously low 49 plays (because they went 2-11 on third down). I like Oliver. If we had bigger leads, he could come in and do what I think we got him for. Create pressure in passing situations. He's shown he can chase down rbs too. For now, I'm good with the Phillips-Star combo and a rotation of Taylor and Ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 16 hours ago, BmarvB said: He's going to need more time and experience He's going to need more size if they want to keep him inside, problem with that he could loose quickness. Yesterday it looked as if he was being pushed around easily taken out of the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 He has the athleticism to play DE, he was aweful yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Solid C+ Has things to work on, as any rookie would. If we had more or bigger leads, he could come in as the penetrating DT we envisioned he would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 17 hours ago, Bangarang said: When we drafted him I figured he’d have more of a presence with making plays in the backfield and getting to the QB. He’s having a very quiet season. I expected the same. Based on what he brought in college.. I thought he would be living in the backfield and disrupting running plays and getting the occasional sack. The Bills had said as much when they drafted him.. that he was effectively a Kyle Williams replacement. Everyone remembers KW's play.. he would shoot through the line and get the STF or disrupt the play (or the other team would run right through the hole he created with his penetration). To be honest, I don't know what would be worse. The Bill's decision makers trying to turn him into a space eater like Lotulelei or Oliver just not having the ability to penetrate like he did in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 17 hours ago, Playoffs? said: Man I hope this kid can get much better. Hopefully he can be coached up. Otherwise huge first round whiff. It will be interesting to see how alot of draft picks turn out. Beane is seen as a good gm and talent assessor generally but if Oliver, Ford, Edmunds and Allen all start panning out to be average or worse than people will need to start asking questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, london_bills said: It will be interesting to see how alot of draft picks turn out. Beane is seen as a good gm and talent assessor generally but if Oliver, Ford, Edmunds and Allen all start panning out to be average or worse than people will need to start asking questions. Honestly, I do wonder about the tactical deployment of a few of these guys. For all listed (except for Allen), you could make an argument that the Bills aren't using them in optimal positions or in the correct manner. Might not be misses per se... might just be not letting players play to their strengths. Only time will tell I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It's early, but so far a "C" on Oliver, and maybe a "C -" in Ford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, berg1029 said: Honestly, I do wonder about the tactical deployment of a few of these guys. For all listed (except for Allen), you could make an argument that the Bills aren't using them in optimal positions or in the correct manner. Might not be misses per se... might just be not letting players play to their strengths. Only time will tell I suppose. Yeah and coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Well, he sure 'aint facing off against the 250 lb. OG's from East Appalachian State ... welcome to the NFL, little man! Gonna take some time and some work with the dietary/training staff, and a year or so of maturing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 11:02 AM, Yav said: He's going to need more size if they want to keep him inside, problem with that he could loose quickness. Yesterday it looked as if he was being pushed around easily taken out of the play. Agreed. He's very quick but too light in the @$$ and can be easily pushed around by the bigger lineman. It's going to take a while for him to learn how to use their size against them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 B+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 On 11/3/2019 at 5:57 PM, Bangarang said: When we drafted him I figured he’d have more of a presence with making plays in the backfield and getting to the QB. He’s having a very quiet season. Remember when we first traded for Biscuit? He instantly improved the D and was flying all over the place making big, impact plays that caught you attention. If this board was around back then I don't think there would have been threads created trying to convince people that Cornelius was in fact a good player. It was obvious to all who watched him play. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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