YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 22 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Allen went from relying too much on the deep stuff last year to not being able to throw it deep at all. So weird. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: Allen went from relying too much on the deep stuff last year to not being able to throw it deep at all. So weird. I think his issue with the short range stuff was not knowing how to take enough off the ball and footwork. He has improved the footwork and touch but now he seems to need to recalibrate his touch on the longer passes. I think he figures it out. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Allen went from relying too much on the deep stuff last year to not being able to throw it deep at all. So weird. Need it to come back against the Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Real McCoy said: Need it to come back against the Eagles. Their secondary has given up a ton of those plays too 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, billsfan89 said: I think his issue with the short range stuff was not knowing how to take enough off the ball and footwork. He has improved the footwork and touch but now he seems to need to recalibrate his touch on the longer passes. I think he figures it out. I agree. His short and intermediate range passes look so much better this year thus far which is huge. Once the deep stuff comes around again for him look out. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Allen went from relying too much on the deep stuff last year to not being able to throw it deep at all. So weird. It looks, to me, that he has changed his throw. Now he puts it up higher. I assume to give the WR time to see it and run under it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 It must be tough to throw the deep ball during a game with the adrenaline going. In practice he can relax and throw with the right amount of strength behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: I agree. His short and intermediate range passes look so much better this year thus far which is huge. Once the deep stuff comes around again for him look Definitely a work in progress but he has the tools to find the balance. I also think he is being coached up to avoid turnovers and on deep balls putting some extra on it is a good way to do so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 He needs to figure it out, because despite that being an overall ugly game Josh played pretty well except for the deep shots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, eball said: He needs to figure it out, because despite that being an overall ugly game Josh played pretty well except for the deep shots. Thought it was a game of 2 halves. Did not think he played well at all in the first half. Thought he was excellent 2nd half. I still think the Giants game is the closest we have got to a 4 Quarter performance from him. But when he is good he is like top 10 NFL Quarterback good. And it just makes him to confusing to work out! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: he seems to need to recalibrate his touch on the longer passes. Yeah, he's like Robocop when his aiming is off. He needs to stack a few jars of baby food up and start slinging the pigskin at them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Looks like a bad throwing angle to me on those deep ones... too much line drives. WRs can't get to it. Maybe 3-5% higher angle would give them a chance to run under it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: I think his issue with the short range stuff was not knowing how to take enough off the ball and footwork. He has improved the footwork and touch but now he seems to need to recalibrate his touch on the longer passes. I think he figures it out. OR... They have been so focused on working on the short range throws, he has not practiced many loooong passes yet this season. Edited October 20, 2019 by cd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Allen went from relying too much on the deep stuff last year to not being able to throw it deep at all. So weird. Meh, He is either missing his spot or not knowing where his receiver is going to be when the ball comes down. One is execution and the other could be familiarity. Still not worried. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 He can throw well when the WR is running a deep crosser and not when the WR is running in the straight line or along the sidelines. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Thought it was a game of 2 halves. Did not think he played well at all in the first half. Thought he was excellent 2nd half. I still think the Giants game is the closest we have got to a 4 Quarter performance from him. But when he is good he is like top 10 NFL Quarterback good. And it just makes him to confusing to work out! Yeah, I guess that is correct in the first half but he led three scoring drives and didn’t turn the ball over, which is progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Allen went from relying too much on the deep stuff last year to not being able to throw it deep at all. So weird. Seriously head-scratching. But I'll take those misses on the bombs if he keeps throwing it the way he is all over the rest of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Allen's deep throws are like unguided missiles. One has no idea where exactly they'll land. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I think his issue with the short range stuff was not knowing how to take enough off the ball and footwork. He has improved the footwork and touch but now he seems to need to recalibrate his touch on the longer passes. I think he figures it out. WRs need to run faster obviously 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 25 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Allen went from relying too much on the deep stuff last year to not being able to throw it deep at all. So weird. Allen got distracted from working on his accuracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, billsherd said: He can throw well when the WR is running a deep crosser and not when the WR is running in the straight line or along the sidelines. Go route has touch to it. Cross can be a hard dart into tight window. Diff throw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) On 10/20/2019 at 5:10 PM, Formerly Allan in MD said: Allen's deep throws are like unguided missiles. One has no idea where exactly they'll land. as long as they land beyond the defender, i say keep working on it. not like he throws them short for ints Edited October 24, 2019 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 He just needs to put some more air under it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, eball said: Yeah, I guess that is correct in the first half but he led three scoring drives and didn’t turn the ball over, which is progress. I keep saying more than almost anyone I have seen he is a guy who needs to be in rhythm.... week after the bye and then that strange first drive where lots was going on it just seemed to take him until after HT to get going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Thought it was a game of 2 halves. Did not think he played well at all in the first half. Thought he was excellent 2nd half. I still think the Giants game is the closest we have got to a 4 Quarter performance from him. But when he is good he is like top 10 NFL Quarterback good. And it just makes him to confusing to work out! The problem with him is consistency. Consistency is supposed to be the mark of the professional. His ceiling will always be too low if he can't be relied on to deliver 4 quarters of quality football, b/c eventually our opponent will have a QB who can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Allen went from relying too much on the deep stuff last year to not being able to throw it deep at all. So weird. Honestly the WR should just run a 50 yard crossing route and he should drill it in there.... I’m not joking either 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Bobbling Beasley should worry about himself 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Allen went from relying too much on the deep stuff last year to not being able to throw it deep at all. So weird. Maybe he needs to get back to the crap mechanics so he's not throwing it as far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafromboise Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: I think his issue with the short range stuff was not knowing how to take enough off the ball and footwork. He has improved the footwork and touch but now he seems to need to recalibrate his touch on the longer passes. I think he figures it out. Right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 5:24 PM, CEN-CAL17 said: Honestly the WR should just run a 50 yard crossing route and he should drill it in there.... I’m not joking either I like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 4:10 PM, Formerly Allan in MD said: Allen's deep throws are like unguided missiles. One has no idea where exactly they'll land. V-2's! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 4:52 PM, Nitro said: It looks, to me, that he has changed his throw. Now he puts it up higher. I assume to give the WR time to see it and run under it. Have you seen his deep misses in person? Because I have, and my impression is the opposite, he's not putting enough air under his deep throws. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 He needs some shopping cart training. Have a guy push a shopping cart while running and have JA put in the basket. Keep doing it until he gets it in the basket most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey152 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 5:15 PM, BillsShredder83 said: Go route has touch to it. Cross can be a hard dart into tight window. Diff throw This is not really true... Aaron Rodgers, who is the best deep ball thrower in the NFL, tries to throw it the same distance every time. He focuses on mechanics and side. The rest is all timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Looking back over the Bills history it's pretty amazing aside from the season John Brown is currently having, Cole's season projections have him at the most receptions for a Bills wideout since 2012. He gets some flack on the board but I think he has been a tremendous add to the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 4:58 PM, GunnerBill said: Thought it was a game of 2 halves. Did not think he played well at all in the first half. Thought he was excellent 2nd half. I still think the Giants game is the closest we have got to a 4 Quarter performance from him. But when he is good he is like top 10 NFL Quarterback good. And it just makes him to confusing to work out! Week 17 vs the fish was his best game hands down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 8:20 AM, Nextmanup said: The problem with him is consistency. Consistency is supposed to be the mark of the professional. His ceiling will always be too low if he can't be relied on to deliver 4 quarters of quality football, b/c eventually our opponent will have a QB who can. At least that's not a problem with your posts. You repeat this over and over again. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 ...just needs to reduce the "black powder" a bit from the cannon for the long ball.......sees an opening and his adrenaline goes into "over drive"........it will com with maturation as has his shorter game....quite an improvement to date IMO..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 4:29 PM, Ralonzo said: Maybe he needs to get back to the crap mechanics so he's not throwing it as far? Negative. For the long term success of a QB it’s much more important to be able to “hit the bunnies” for long term success. They’re focused on that stuff in their limited practice reps is all. Once they’re comfortable with the timing on the shorter stuff they’ll give it more reps and it’ll be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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