wagon127 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) So, I am super excited about the rest of this year, and I believe we can make the playoffs due to the AFC being weak this year, and our dominate Defense. Shouldn't we be very concerned about how little our offense scores? We really need to hope our offense continues to grow between now and the end of this season. There are going to be games the defense can't hold our opponents to under 25 points, and we will need Allen to step it up in the coming weeks. Edited October 11, 2019 by wagon127 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Points for what? I kid, I kid. The thing is they are moving the ball and they are eating up lots of clock. The points will come when the turnovers end 12 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 So your saying we really need our Offense to score points. ***** why hasn't anyone else thought of that. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 new starters on offense. Playmaking RB on the shelf for 3 weeks.... we are 12th in yds. They are moving the ball just fine. Clean up the to’s and points will follow. Not horribly worried 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, Warcodered said: So your saying we really need our Offense to score points. ***** why hasn't anyone else thought of that. Im trying to say, this is what could lead to a repeat of 2008 and 2011, not that they need to score points, but that they struggle to put up numbers that over 20 other NFL teams are able to put up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, wagon127 said: Im trying to say, this is what could lead to a repeat of 2008 and 2011, not that they need to score points, but that they struggle to put up numbers that over 20 other NFL teams are able to put up. Quit worrying and enjoy the ride. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 That title confused me, so I will assume this is a good thing. Woohoo! Go Bills!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Consider that our #1 TE has not been able to play, our best RB, has barely played, we just now got our #2/3 WR on the 53, and we have like 9 new guys on the offense. I think we will all be pleased with the offense’s growth going forward, and the bye week came right on time this season. I just have a feeling things are about to get a whole bunch better on the “O” fingers crossed Bills nation! Go Bills!!! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 But first in our hearts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 We are also 12th in Total offense... Eventually our ability to move the ball is gonna lead to points 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: We are also 12th in Total offense... Eventually our ability to move the ball is gonna lead to points This ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Why is this a new thread? Our scoring woes are well-known and thoroughly discussed in other threads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Need a pass rush which will lead to turnovers, which will lead to short fields and more points. The defense is great but not elite until they start getting more turnovers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: 7 new starters on offense. Playmaking RB on the shelf for 3 weeks.... we are 12th in yds. They are moving the ball just fine. Clean up the to’s and points will follow. Not horribly worried Not to nitpick, but I believe only LT and QB remain from last years starters (FB doesn’t count to me). that means NINE (9) new starters on offense. A slow start is to be expected. The crown jewel of FA (Morse) missed preseason with a concussion. Just keep making progress, I like most of what I’m seeing. Progress, fellas! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Not to nitpick, but I believe only LT and QB remain from last years starters (FB doesn’t count to me). that means NINE (9) new starters on offense. A slow start is to be expected. The crown jewel of FA (Morse) missed preseason with a concussion. Just keep making progress, I like most of what I’m seeing. Progress, fellas! Right on. Like I said. They are moving the ball just fine. If I’m not mistaken I can count at least 5 different times over the last 3 games we’ve driven down into the 35 or closer and came away with nothing due to missed FG, penalties, turnovers/turnover on downs. Cut that nonsense out and we are most likely middle of the pack in scoring and the offense doesn’t seem like much of an issue. 9 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Need a pass rush which will lead to turnovers, which will lead to short fields and more points. The defense is great but not elite until they start getting more turnovers Wow this is a bad take the defense is top 3 or 5 in every major category and is allowing 11 pts a game. There is NO QUESTION about them being elite up to this point. Edited October 11, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNICE Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Agreed turnovers are the key, offense needs less, defense needs more..... both will lead to more points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 7th last??? So like ... 25th? Baltimore is 32nd last in points per game... UPDATE: Now that the thread title has been changed this comment makes no sense. Sorry folks. Edited October 11, 2019 by MJS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 27 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Why is this a new thread? Our scoring woes are well-known and thoroughly discussed in other threads. Because I wouldn't have gone into a many page long thread most likely, and certainly wouldn't have posted in it. New threads make it more engaging for people who aren't posting all the time...what is a slight annoyance for you, makes it significantly more fun and engaging for a lot of other people. I understand there is a line of having a lot of threads clogging things up and being repetitive, however, a thread based on an interesting stat, with a solid point that can be debated with other interesting stats is not one of those threads...let some other people have some fun too. Of course you're probably trolling to get this response, so crap 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 ...and we are 4-1 ...and we are 3rd in red zone scoring (TDs) ....and our defense is 3rd overall preventing yards per game ....Josh is 8-1 as a starter when he keeps turnovers to 1 or less. We are building something here, no one said it was finished yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 "7th last" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, WideNine said: ...and we are 4-1 ...and we are 3rd in red zone scoring (TDs) ....and our defense is 3rd overall preventing yards per game ....Josh is 8-1 as a starter when he keeps turnovers to 1 or less. We are building something here, no one said it was finished yet. Absolutely...no one said it was finished yet, and it is suddenly moving ahead of schedule! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, berg1029 said: Points for what? I kid, I kid. The thing is they are moving the ball and they are eating up lots of clock. The points will come when the turnovers end I agree, I think we will have a big improvement after the bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, Paulus said: "7th last" Does he mean 25th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Does he mean 25th? I want to know who is 1st last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Our offense & qb are a work in progress. Next year is when we get into the top 10. I'm fine winning 11 games by a score of 16-13..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Three things - We need to replace our punter....even though we have one of the best return guys in the league our starting field position gets flipped on us every game it seems - We have been VERY good int he red zone - We are still having a lot of penalties on drives......which is forcing punts due to down and distance 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, wagon127 said: So, I am super excited about the rest of this year, and I believe we can make the playoffs due to the AFC being weak this year, and our dominate Defense. Shouldn't we be very concerned about how little our offense scores? We really need to hope our offense continues to grow between now and the end of this season. There are going to be games the defense can't hold our opponents to under 25 points, and we will need Allen to step it up in the coming weeks. Change your profile pic and then we'll talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Yup they need to do a better job with this. I believe the main issue is they turn the ball over too much. They put up good yardage numbers, they are in the top half of the league and its not like they are racking it up in garbage time like some of these other teams are where they can pick up a quick 150 yards passing from soft coverages while being down 3 scores. If they can lower their turnover numbers they should start seeing more points...look at how many of the turnovers have happened on the opponent side of the 50 yard line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, wagon127 said: So, I am super excited about the rest of this year, and I believe we can make the playoffs due to the AFC being weak this year, and our dominate Defense. Shouldn't we be very concerned about how little our offense scores? We really need to hope our offense continues to grow between now and the end of this season. There are going to be games the defense can't hold our opponents to under 25 points, and we will need Allen to step it up in the coming weeks. I posted this in another thread; however, I think it bears repeating in this thread: They had 3 drives inside the Jets 40 (2 inside the 30) with no points; 4 drives inside Cincy's 40 (2 inside the 30, 1 inside the 15) with no points; 7 drives into NE territory (4 inside the 40, 2 inside the 25, 1 inside the 10) with no points, and 4 drives inside the TENN 40 (although one was to end the game at the TENN 20) . That is 18 drives into opponents territory (15 inside the 40, 6 inside the 30) in 5 games with no points. They have moved the ball (12th in YPG), and they are money in the redzone (7th in scoring, 4th in TDs); however, they have had a problem finishing a number of drives in opponent territory outside of the redzone. I have watched every one of those drives and it is not all on Allen. He certainly has been part of it with turnovers, sacks, and bad plays; but, penalties, poor play by the Oline, dropped passes, and turnovers/mistakes by others have played just as big of a role. They have done more to stop themselves, from moving the ball consistently and scoring more, than opposing defenses have. Most of the offense has only played 5 NFL games together. I think they will come together more as a team, particularly when Williams and Singletary are fully integrated, the more they play together. If they (Allen in particular) can cut down on turnovers, play more consistent and make fewer critical mistakes, I believe this team could be in the top 10 in both YPG and PPG. Edited October 11, 2019 by billsfan1959 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: I posted this in another thread; however, I think it bears repeating in this thread: They had 3 drives inside the Jets 40 (2 inside the 30) with no points; 4 drives inside Cincy's 40 (2 inside the 30, 1 inside the 15) with no points; 7 drives into NE territory (4 inside the 40, 2 inside the 25, 1 inside the 10) with no points, and 4 drives inside the TENN 40 (although one was to end the game at the TENN 20) . That is 18 drives into opponents territory (15 inside the 40, 6 inside the 30) in 5 games with no points. They have moved the ball (12th in YPG), and they are money in the redzone (7th in scoring, 4th in TDs); however, they have had a problem finishing a number of drives in opponent territory outside of the redzone. I have watched every one of those drives and it is not all on Allen. He certainly has been part of it with turnovers, sacks, and bad plays; but, penalties, poor play by the Oline, dropped passes, and turnovers/mistakes by others have played just as big of a role. They have done more to stop themselves, from moving the ball consistently and scoring more, than opposing defenses have. Most of the offense has only played 5 NFL games together. I think they will come together more as a team, particularly when Williams and Singletary are fully integrated, the more they play together. If they (Allen in particular) can cut down on turnovers, play more consistent and make fewer critical mistakes, I believe this team could be in the top 10 in both YPG and PPG. Just what I wanted to see; thanks for compiling these numbers. Pretty revealing stuff, and shows this is a glass half full situation that can easily improve. If the Bills were able to come away with just a FG on only half of those drives inside the opponents 40 and beyond ( not an overly generous result imo) they would jump to 14th in points. That’s right below New Orleans and more than respectable output. This offense can increase their scoring even without major personnel changes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 While they aren’t scoring, they are helping the defense. They are chewing up clock and keeping the defense fresh. As others said the, points will come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I guess I will drop this just one more time The Bills need a healthy Devon Singletary and not much more. He opens up the offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, wagon127 said: So, I am super excited about the rest of this year, and I believe we can make the playoffs due to the AFC being weak this year, and our dominate Defense. Shouldn't we be very concerned about how little our offense scores? We really need to hope our offense continues to grow between now and the end of this season. There are going to be games the defense can't hold our opponents to under 25 points, and we will need Allen to step it up in the coming weeks. relax. It'll be next year, after another draft and FA period, and after Allen's second year, before the offense catches up to the defense in terms of talent and effectiveness. Still have questions on the O Line and WR, and Allen is obviously still pretty raw. For McBeanes, this is all just a process of roster upgrade after roster upgrade. Will take a full 3 years. This is year 3. Next year is the year, IMHO. This year, just get to 10 wins and get in the tournament again. they ain't winnin' anything this year. at this time last year, you all wanted to fire the whole lot of them.. keep your pants on Trust the Process. Edited October 11, 2019 by ProcessTruster update 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Need more playmakers on offense.... and less turnovers. Need less turnovers FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Three things - We need to replace our punter....even though The Bills are 4-1. It hasn't been disastrous thus far. - we have one of the best return guys in the league our starting field position gets flipped on us every game it seems - We have been VERY good int he red zone True. But how many drives failed to get to the RZ? - We are still having a lot of penalties on drives......which is forcing punts due to down and distance Refs. a little shade It's actually 4 but ... we'll let that slide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Kmart128 said: We are also 12th in Total offense... Eventually our ability to move the ball is gonna lead to points After the next 3 games, the Bills should move closer to the middle in ppg. Philly has a tough defense, especially against the run, but Miami and Washington are putrid. If you think about it, a team like NE is higher in points, but has already played those two teams, plus Pittsburgh, and Darnold-less NJ. The Bills haven't had those luxuries...yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: I posted this in another thread; however, I think it bears repeating in this thread: They had 3 drives inside the Jets 40 (2 inside the 30) with no points; 4 drives inside Cincy's 40 (2 inside the 30, 1 inside the 15) with no points; 7 drives into NE territory (4 inside the 40, 2 inside the 25, 1 inside the 10) with no points, and 4 drives inside the TENN 40 (although one was to end the game at the TENN 20) . That is 18 drives into opponents territory (15 inside the 40, 6 inside the 30) in 5 games with no points. They have moved the ball (12th in YPG), and they are money in the redzone (7th in scoring, 4th in TDs); however, they have had a problem finishing a number of drives in opponent territory outside of the redzone. I have watched every one of those drives and it is not all on Allen. He certainly has been part of it with turnovers, sacks, and bad plays; but, penalties, poor play by the Oline, dropped passes, and turnovers/mistakes by others have played just as big of a role. They have done more to stop themselves, from moving the ball consistently and scoring more, than opposing defenses have. Most of the offense has only played 5 NFL games together. I think they will come together more as a team, particularly when Williams and Singletary are fully integrated, the more they play together. If they (Allen in particular) can cut down on turnovers, play more consistent and make fewer critical mistakes, I believe this team could be in the top 10 in both YPG and PPG. Some natural consequences of those failed drives are (1) keeping the defense fresh (2) giving the punter a good chance to pin them deep (hurts the net average) (3) gives the defense more room for error. Points will eventually follow as they refine their play and it will likely come this year not next. Be competant now but work toward being something special come January. Your top 10 prediction is interesting because by the end of the year we could be saying things like "over their last 8 games the Bills have been in the top X of scoring." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: I posted this in another thread; however, I think it bears repeating in this thread: They had 3 drives inside the Jets 40 (2 inside the 30) with no points; 4 drives inside Cincy's 40 (2 inside the 30, 1 inside the 15) with no points; 7 drives into NE territory (4 inside the 40, 2 inside the 25, 1 inside the 10) with no points, and 4 drives inside the TENN 40 (although one was to end the game at the TENN 20) . That is 18 drives into opponents territory (15 inside the 40, 6 inside the 30) in 5 games with no points. They have moved the ball (12th in YPG), and they are money in the redzone (7th in scoring, 4th in TDs); however, they have had a problem finishing a number of drives in opponent territory outside of the redzone. I have watched every one of those drives and it is not all on Allen. He certainly has been part of it with turnovers, sacks, and bad plays; but, penalties, poor play by the Oline, dropped passes, and turnovers/mistakes by others have played just as big of a role. They have done more to stop themselves, from moving the ball consistently and scoring more, than opposing defenses have. Most of the offense has only played 5 NFL games together. I think they will come together more as a team, particularly when Williams and Singletary are fully integrated, the more they play together. If they (Allen in particular) can cut down on turnovers, play more consistent and make fewer critical mistakes, I believe this team could be in the top 10 in both YPG and PPG. Zay's fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: a little shade It's actually 4 but ... we'll let that slide The bills are third in the whole NFL in redzone td %. It’s really not worth trying to argue against our RZ offense. They’ve been excellent in the RZ. It’s between the 40 and the 20 where it seems we like to shout ourselves in the foot. Edited October 11, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They turned it over once against the Titans and scored 14 points. Once is WAAYY better than 3, 4, 5 or 6. 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: The bills are third in the whole NFL in redzone td %. It’s really not worth trying to argue against our RZ offense. They’ve been excellent in the RZ. It’s between the 40 and the 20 where it seems we like to shout ourselves in the foot. I wasn't arguing the RZ efficiency. My question was: What % of drives have reached the RZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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