SCBills Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: All things considered, I think he would do better actually. He's still on a record setting pace without Hill all season. When a good WR goes to a bad team just to get paid thier productions falls off. Basically every WR that has come through pittsburgh for example, my opinion the QB makes the WR, not the other way around. (Sans Mike Evans/Money Manziel lol) You lost me now. Mahomes weapons are open all over the place and when he throws jump balls, they go and get them. I don’t see how he does better throwing to Brown, Beasley, Knox and Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: You lost me now. Mahomes weapons are open all over the place and when he throws jump balls, they go and get them. I don’t see how he does better throwing to Brown, Beasley, Knox and Zay. Oh no man. This take was dead by week 3 of 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 28 minutes ago, SCBills said: I'm not sure where I stand on the last point you make... Honest question: What do you think Mahomes would be if you substituted his weapons with ours? This year: pretty good but not as good as he is with the guys he's had 2 years to get in sync with Last year: not so good JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Damn, looks like there actually might be something to this https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/stefon-diggs-absence-from-practice-listed-as-not-injury-related-leading-to-speculation-about-a-potential-trade/ Peter p...prisco is no insider, barely can pick the games right each week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, mattynh said: Now you are calling me a patriots fan? You have the most accurate screen name of anyone here. Nice substantive response there. Let's review: I say you're making unsupported assertions that Diggs would have "no noticable impact on the Bills offense". You respond defending the point I'm not questioning - that Allen has made some bad decisions. I respond pointing out it's the "no noticable impact on the Bills offense" I'm calling unsupported, not the question of whether or not Allen has made some bad decisions. And your response is to take a shot at my screen name? You say you hate the Patriots and you're a Bills fan, but that's not how the totality of your posts come across, especially when we've played the Pats. That's just my take. Deal. And if you want to dole snark about unsupported assertions, when someone challenges them with some argument, respond with an argument, not a shot at the guy's screen name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFreeman22 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Meh... he's probably worth that, but i think looking at our offensive scheme matters quite a bit. I love Evans because he's everything we're missing and a top 3-5 WR who doesn't get nearly enough credit. I wouldn't mind giving it up for Hopkins though. Man... Looking back at that 14 draft and the depth of the WR position and realizing we gave up 2 first for Sammy Watkins still stings... I know some people will never understand it and they may feel it was still too much to give up, and many do, BUT THEY DID NOT GIVE UP 2 FIRST ROUNDERS!!!! THEY SWITCHED FIRSTS AND THEN GAVE THEM A FIRST ROUNDER. Why is that so difficult to comprehend. Personally I was hoping they were going to draft Mack with the pick. Edited October 3, 2019 by SteveFreeman22 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, SCBills said: You lost me now. Mahomes weapons are open all over the place and when he throws jump balls, they go and get them. I don’t see how he does better throwing to Brown, Beasley, Knox and Zay. Eh maybe so, but he still lost Hill and no one else is even close to as talented as him, Kelce helps also. Mahomes could put up 350 yards with my short self catching balls. But not even Diggs could save JA from some of these god awful passes hes throwing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 most guys want to get traded cause they want to get paid. he got paid. i dont see beane pulling a houston and giving up multiple firsts or seconds for the guy. he's good but he's not top 5 in the league good. He's probably top 15 right outside top 10. Be tough to sell me unless the vikings think zays value is actually a 2nd and we give them him and another 2nd or something. zays value probably isnt a second right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I would like to see a trade happen but I doubt it will. I would give up a 2nd or 3rd for Diggs but not a first. The Bills need another good draft to add to their foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 He just said "There's truth to all rumors" in his interview with reporters in MN. Oh, boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Diggs is in the same tier as Amani Cooper, but Cooper is a little better. At the time that Dallas gave up a 1st for him, many thought they overpaid. Cooper's perceived value was a 2nd round pick. That being said, maybe he could be had for a 2020 2nd, and 2021 3rd. It might even take 2 2nd rounders. Given what he could do for our offense, I would go as high as 2 2nds for him. He would essentially be replacing Zay Jones on the outside. The guy is a play-maker, when the ball is in the air. Diggs, Beasley and Brown, would be an outstanding trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I am a big fan of Diggs. He has a ton of talent and athletically is off the charts. I worry whether he'd be a good fit with McD attitude-wise. A 2nd would be a steal for a wideout like him strictly in terms of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, aristocrat said: most guys want to get traded cause they want to get paid. he got paid. i dont see beane pulling a houston and giving up multiple firsts or seconds for the guy. he's good but he's not top 5 in the league good. He's probably top 15 right outside top 10. Be tough to sell me unless the vikings think zays value is actually a 2nd and we give them him and another 2nd or something. zays value probably isnt a second right now. Ha. Well. Digressing a bit, but stay with me, it's relevant to the Diggs thing. Cousins was supposed to be Magical Franchise Man for the Vikes to lift them from the disappointing 2017 13-3 conference championship loss into the Promised Land of Perennial Contention. The Vikes Brain Trust decided that Keenum wasn't the answer, but Cousins was. Now it looks like "if Cousins was the answer, What was the Question?" I will belly up to the bar for my helping of "Crow Pie" when I'm wrong, and I was wrong about Cousins. I wanted us to "Go Big" and bring him in. Clearly, and given what he signed for in Minn, that would have been a mistake. So here is Diggs, who had that 2017 Vision of Visiting the Promised Land of Perennial Contention. Now last year, and yeah, he's putting up more yards than before under Cousins, but they mean less. I don't know what role that plays in it, but I guess my point would be if that's what's going on, B'lo probably isn't the right place for him. 19 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: He just said "There's truth to all rumors" in his interview with reporters in MN. Oh, boy... Wait, which "he"? Diggs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 All the people who hated Doug Whaley want to pull of a Whaley trade for a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wait, which "he"? Diggs? Yeah, Diggs. https://twitter.com/bleedinggreen/status/1179804610611105792?s=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 A 3rd and a 5th, or a 3rd and Zay Jones, is all I'm willing to offer. Even with Diggs, we still need to draft a WR early next year. Most likely 1st round. And we need to address OL in the 1st or 2nd as well. Plus, with his contract, Diggs is too expensive to warrant a 1st, let alone 2 1sts. 3rd and 5th. Git'r'dun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I would rather the Bills get one of the following............. Laviska Shanault Henry Ruggs CeeDee Lamb Tyler Johnson Tee Higgins Jalen Reagor Tylan Wallace All of them would be a really nice fit with Allen. Zero need to go out and acquire an expensive veteran WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: Diggs is in the same tier as Amani Cooper, but Cooper is a little better. At the time that Dallas gave up a 1st for him, many thought they overpaid. Cooper's perceived value was a 2nd round pick. That being said, maybe he could be had for a 2020 2nd, and 2021 3rd. It might even take 2 2nd rounders. Given what he could do for our offense, I would go as high as 2 2nds for him. He would essentially be replacing Zay Jones on the outside. The guy is a play-maker, when the ball is in the air. Diggs, Beasley and Brown, would be an outstanding trio. Cooper made a huge impact on the Cowboys offense. They couldnt throw the football at all before that trade Now all of a sudden Dak is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Real McCoy said: So Diggs has a really good contract right now but holding out as he is not getting enough targets/catches? Seems like another WideRaDiva to me = pass Give a a guy like Julio or Green that just performs to earn a contract and plays to that ability when healthy, all the while keeping tongue in check. IDK, maybe I have Diggs all wrong as he was banged up against the Bears? Did you say the same about Andre Reed when he complained about not getting enough passes thrown his way...or when Thurman would complain he wasn't getting the ball enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 How about we wait on spending 1st rounders on wrs until we find out we have a qb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Diggs just starting following 3 Bills players on IG, Poyer, Jones, and Shaq. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: Diggs just starting following 3 Bills players on IG, Poyer, Jones, and Shaq. First reported last night. Pretty sure its somewhere in the pages of speculation here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, SteveFreeman22 said: I know some people will never understand it and they may feel it was still too much to give up, and many do, BUT THEY DID NOT GIVE UP 2 FIRST ROUNDERS!!!! THEY SWITCHED FIRSTS AND THEN GAVE THEM A FIRST ROUNDER. Why is that so difficult to comprehend. Personally I was hoping they were going to draft Mack with the pick. And then we used a first round pick to draft him. You still only get the one player for that pick. 2014 1st rounder + 2015 first rounder = Sammy Watkins in a Bills uniform. He cost us a total asset investment of 2 first round picks. Meanwhile, we could have had Mike Evans for the same price OBJ for 1 pick Brandin Cooks for 1 pick Devante Adams for 1 pick Jarvis Landry for 1 pick Allen Robinson for 1 pick. Now, obviously hindsight is 20-20 and there’s only so much we can fault them for. That being said, trading up to select what is one of the deepest positions of the draft is never smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: How about we wait on spending 1st rounders on wrs until we find out we have a qb How about you are never going to find a QB unless you give him talented receivers to work with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, nucci said: Did you say the same about Andre Reed when he complained about not getting enough passes thrown his way...or when Thurman would complain he wasn't getting the ball enough? Source? Links? Exactly... It's a completely different era with the social media circus that DIVA's play games behind = pass The guy is getting paid top 10 WR $$$ in the league and starting to create friction in the locker room and front office. Just what the Bills need to give up a 1st rd pick for and crazy cap? What happens when Allen doesn't give him 10+ targets a game? Please stick to the draft Beane. Edited October 3, 2019 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I agree Jones is pretty sucky. He just hasn't ever improved. I will say that I do worry a little about what he might do to himself when he gets cuts. Not to be melodramatic but when you look at his mental health history, I could see him doing something stupid when he realises he doesn't have what it takes. Even the way he plays, it's weird, he seems like a nice guy and his teammates and coaches seem to love him, so it's not like he doesn't do the right things through camp and during the week. But when he plays he looks like someone with no confidence in himself. I do wonder what's going on in the kid's head. When they axe him I hope they point him in the direction of a good shrink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yeah, Diggs. https://twitter.com/bleedinggreen/status/1179804610611105792?s=21 Ohboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I think people might be overestimating how good Diggs is. He's a good #2 receiver, but definitely not a #1. I'd put him in the same category as perhaps John Brown, but slower. But I suppose having two John Browns would be nice. I just wouldn't expect our passing game to take a huge step forward. Seems like we need a big, physical WR for the red zone and for contested catches. A change up from what we currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I'd be happy if this happened. I'd rather not drop a 1st, but Pro set w diggs, bease, smoke, knox, and motor is an all new all fast horror show for opposing Ds. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, colin said: I'd be happy if this happened. I'd rather not drop a 1st, but Pro set w diggs, bease, smoke, knox, and motor is an all new all fast horror show for opposing Ds. That would be one hell of a set up on offense ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Diggs is a very good possession receiver. He's bigger than John Brown, but not a "big" WR at 6'0" 195lbs, and they have very different, complimentary skill sets. I think he'd fit really well, but he's not a true #1 WR, that's why I'm not sure he's worth a first rounder. I'd give a #2 & Zay in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Foster, McKenzie, Duke would be an interesting WR corps, especially with emergence of Knox as a downfield threat. Edited October 3, 2019 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Never understood wanting to spend money at the WR position. With no QB / OL, they're useless anyway. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: Diggs just starting following 3 Bills players on IG, Poyer, Jones, and Shaq. Old news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, Chandler#81 said: Old news. Old news that is not new news or old news at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 hours ago, mattynh said: Now you are calling me a patriots fan? You have the most accurate screen name of anyone here. Why did you quote me? I would NEVER call someone a NE fan... that's just a low blow and I try to keep my comments semi-respectable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, warrior9 said: Never understood wanting to spend money at the WR position. With no QB / OL, they're useless anyway. Hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: And then we used a first round pick to draft him. You still only get the one player for that pick. 2014 1st rounder + 2015 first rounder = Sammy Watkins in a Bills uniform. He cost us a total asset investment of 2 first round picks. Meanwhile, we could have had Mike Evans for the same price OBJ for 1 pick Brandin Cooks for 1 pick Devante Adams for 1 pick Jarvis Landry for 1 pick Allen Robinson for 1 pick. Now, obviously hindsight is 20-20 and there’s only so much we can fault them for. That being said, trading up to select what is one of the deepest positions of the draft is never smart. Which is why Whaley is no longer here...or anywhere for that matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, zevo said: Hilarious! Yeah, look at how well the Vikings did with him and Theilen last year. Steelers with AB and JuJu.. didn't make the play offs Falcons with Julio (aside from one year, where their defense was incredible), Calvin Ridley and Sanu.... 1-3. How many times Calvin Johnson made the playoffs Man those Bengals REALLY KILLED it last year with AJ Green and Tyler Boyd. And WOW did the Giants KILL it with OBJ. All of their sub 6-10 seasons. All the "GREAT" WR's pats had last year (other than Moss, they don't have great receivers, ever) Julian Edelman is probably avg on any other team, see Wes Welker All those "GREAT" WR's the Panthers had when the went to the SB. (cotchery was their #1) Seahawks with "all of the money" they have tied up in WR. (Who is their #1?) Point being... QB driven league, WR's don't win you games. QB's make receivers.... not the other way around. Edited October 3, 2019 by warrior9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Why did you quote me? I would NEVER call someone a NE fan... that's just a low blow and I try to keep my comments semi-respectable That was me. I dealt that low blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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