Josh Allen in concussion protocol: Update cleared 10/5

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I certainly hope you are wrong and the brain trust at OBD is making decisions about the Bills is based on who helps us win the most as opposed to getting guys who played most of their career elsewhere into the Hall. 

 

We could have cut Yeldon.  Looks to me like their afraid to give him the football.  Reminds me of last year when we had a back up QB we were afraid to play.  These types of player decisions are disturbing.

I don’t think it was as much about the FO caring about Shady getting his 12k/HOF as it was Shady caring about it.... and that affecting his mindset, and potentially the team dynamic, given that Singletary beat him out in TC and he was headed toward a backup role. Anyone who follows Shady on social media knows how focused he is on his individual stats. 

I don’t sense they are afraid to give yeldon the ball. They threw to him in the end zone at a critical point in the game. 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Paying way too much for a part time player is always an issue.

Having 3 starting RB’s when there’s only one ball is an issue.  We’ve tried that once and it was an issue.

I would rather get Singletary his game experience than keeping Shady for his 10 carries a game.  If Shady was going to be our bell cow back, then yes of course keep him...but this wasn’t the case.

 

Its also shady as a backup being a potential issue. 

 

I dont imagine him taking kindly to that 

[aceman_16]

3 hours ago, Mango said:

 

We are eating the cap anyways. Money was a non-issue

No we arent...  we are rolling 6+ million of it till next year.

[TheFunPolice]

If Allen sits this week that's 3 weeks between games

 

I would not rush him. Ditto with Singletary. Get both 100% healthy for the stretch run.

 

 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I may be in the minority but all things being considered, i’d rather Allen sit this one out even if he is healthy. 

 

Sitting this game regardless of his health will allow him a full three weeks to get his mind right too. 

 

It can be a reset of sorts. The way he played on Sunday was down-right awful and I don’t think a break from action, disguised by the injury, is the worst thing for him. 

 

Secondly, I’m not all that sure how much it is going to hurt the team right now. Barkley is serviceable, healthy and can get all the practice reps and preparation at full speed. Give that to him and the “process” should take care of the rest. 

 

One day it’s my hope that missing Allen from a game will be crippling to this franchise because he’s evolved into an MVP level player who can carry this team. That day is not today. Trust your “process” and get his mind right. Refocus those fundamentals and prep for the three game home stand coming out of the bye. Big picture, folks. 

 

IMO

[LSHMEAB]

5 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Singletary has 10 touches this year. And 5 receptions.  Not sure how you declare him special or a good replacement for shady.  That dude is a playmaker. Which we could use right now.  

I guess players can only succeed in KC!

 

Really, I wasn't all that upset about the release, but it appears to be a mistake in retrospect. We're essentially talking about Shady vs. Yeldon. I'll take Shady.

 

Singletary did look good, so I'm hoping he gets back as soon as possible. But yeah, should have just kept McCoy.

[gobills1212]

I personally hate all this over reaction. 

Dont get me wrong, i knew it was coming. 

The kids a kid. I had come to terms the NE game was nothing more than a measuring stick. BB has made PLENTY of young QBS look downright silly. Look no futher than last years SB for a good example. Dudes just get plain stifled and flummoxed. It sucks, but my opinion of Allen wasn't going to dip a ton even if it was a poop show - which is was, but he had a redeeming drive before the injury as well. THAT is the D he will eventually have to wrangle. Less than a full season under his belt, and he clearly wasnt up to the task - but thats ok! Not many QBs are. Its just a good measure of where we are at when **** gets real. He will continue to progress and hopefully next time that comes around he will have improved and put up more of a fight. Just bc he had a reprieve last year doesn't really make it a thing. He wont magically be better each time he gets a rest. This is his team, and these are the bumps everyone talks about. Some reactions and this start Barkley crap make me embarassed for some of you. Rather hypocritical if you ask me. Want the kid to handle adversity but the fans cant handle it themselves. When he can, get him in there and dont look back!!! Im sorry that we didnt get to knock NE off their proverbial perch in a game the D played well enough where it could have been accomplished. Itll happen. Until it does, some people need to grow up and stop acting like 2 year olds that didnt get their way. The tide is turning. Be patient. Yeesh

Edited October 2, 2019 by gobills1212

[YoloinOhio]

6 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

seriously. i know its not something we pay attention to on other teams but can anyone list any documented protocols that started on a sunday and ended in time for a player to take the field the following sunday?

 

just doesn't seem like it happens anymore.

Last one I remember off the top of my head was Philip Rivers in 2017. It was the week he played the Bills. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Way too many people saying give him the two weeks! Give me my Josh Allen this week v the Titans. 

[Big C]

5 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Way too many people saying give him the two weeks! Give me my Josh Allen this week v the Titans.

 

If he clears protocol, he plays. 

[BuffaloBob]

6 hours ago, Mango said:

 

We are eating the cap anyways. Money was a non-issue

Not really.  While it is true there was some dead cap money ($2.625 million), we still saved saved his full salary of $6.175 million. 

 

The stats below were listed in early 2019, so we paid his $250,000 workout bonus.  Because it was his last year, the only dead cap money was the final proration of his contact and that dead cap space of $2.625 million was going to be with us this season whether we paid his salary and kept him, or if we cut him.  So cutting him saved the full salary and added nothing additonal to the dead cap space we already were carrying for him this season.

 

LeSean McCoy

2019 cap hit: $9.05 million
Workout bonus portion: $250,000
Salary due: $6.175 million
Dead money: $2.625 million
Cap savings: $6.425 million

Edited October 2, 2019 by BuffaloBob

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, gobills1212 said:

I personally hate all this over reaction. 

Dont get me wrong, i knew it was coming. 

The kids a kid. I had come to terms the NE game was nothing more than a measuring stick. BB has made PLENTY of young QBS look downright silly. Look no futher than last years SB for a good example. Dudes just get plain stifled and flummoxed. It sucks, but my opinion of Allen wasn't going to dip a ton even if it was a poop show - which is was, but he had a redeeming drive before the injury as well. THAT is the D he will eventually have to wrangle. Less than a full season under his belt, and he clearly wasnt up to the task - but thats ok! Not many QBs are. Its just a good measure of where we are at when **** gets real. He will continue to progress and hopefully next time that comes around he will have improved and put up more of a fight. Just bc he had a reprieve last year doesn't really make it a thing. He wont magically be better each time he gets a rest. This is his team, and these are the bumps everyone talks about. Some reactions and this start Barkley crap make me embarassed for some of you. Rather hypocritical if you ask me. Want the kid to handle adversity but the fans cant handle it themselves. When he can, get him in there and dont look back!!! Im sorry that we didnt get to knock NE off their proverbial perch in a game the D played well enough where it could have been accomplished. Itll happen. Until it does, some people need to grow up and stop acting like 2 year olds that didnt get their way. The tide is turning. Be patient. Yeesh

Thing is, he hasn't had a good game all year.  Yeah he's had flashes and led comebacks that he created the need for with sloppy ball handling, but overall, he's not much better than last year and thats not good.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I know it’s early and 3-1 is a nice surprise, but IMO we really really need to win this game. You need to stack as many wins up as possible and especially these tie breakers against conference opponents. 4-1 is so much better then 3-2. I’m not going to say must win, but if we lose I think the playoff chances take a major hit (if not go away). If Singletary can go, he absolutely needs to play. Allen needs to be capable of protecting himself and the ball. Otherwise call up Webb as the back up and build the week around getting Barkley ready. This is not going to be an easy game by any stretch and 3-2 is not what you want after opening up 3-0. There are a lot of tough games left. Stack those wins now because win streaks might be hard to come by down the stretch. Find a way to win this game. New England is one thing, but if you want to make the playoffs..you have to beat the teams like the Titans. There are still 4-6 very realistic losses on the schedule left down the stretch. We need to win this game IMO.

[billsherd]

47 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I know it’s early and 3-1 is a nice surprise, but IMO we really really need to win this game. You need to stack as many wins up as possible and especially these tie breakers against conference opponents. 4-1 is so much better then 3-2. I’m not going to say must win, but if we lose I think the playoff chances take a major hit (if not go away). If Singletary can go, he absolutely needs to play. Allen needs to be capable of protecting himself and the ball. Otherwise call up Webb as the back up and build the week around getting Barkley ready. This is not going to be an easy game by any stretch and 3-2 is not what you want after opening up 3-0. There are a lot of tough games left. Stack those wins now because win streaks might be hard to come by down the stretch. Find a way to win this game. New England is one thing, but if you want to make the playoffs..you have to beat the teams like the Titans. There are still 4-6 very realistic losses on the schedule left down the stretch. We need to win this game IMO.

I also feel like this is an important game if we are talking playoffs. Team like Titans might be the one we end up competing for a wild card spot. Loss wouldn't be so bad if Allen came out healthy from the last game. I hope Barkley plays well if Allen can't go. 

[Boca BIlls]

This is a huge game and this team need Allen.

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBob said:

Not really.  While it is true there was some dead cap money ($2.625 million), we still saved saved his full salary of $6.175 million. 

 

The stats below were listed in early 2019, so we paid his $250,000 workout bonus.  Because it was his last year, the only dead cap money was the final proration of his contact and that dead cap space of $2.625 million was going to be with us this season whether we paid his salary and kept him, or if we cut him.  So cutting him saved the full salary and added nothing additonal to the dead cap space we already were carrying for him this season.

 

LeSean McCoy

2019 cap hit: $9.05 million
Workout bonus portion: $250,000
Salary due: $6.175 million
Dead money: $2.625 million
Cap savings: $6.425 million

 

Are we trying to win, or save money?

 

And I thought Ralph was cheap.

 

If we had Shady we very well may have won Sunday. Once Gore got up there in carries and we couldn't run because Coach McDermott doesn't trust Yeldon, Shady probably would have broke one on the last drive ala snow game and Bucs game in 2017.

 

But at least it didn't hurt our cap space.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Way too many people saying give him the two weeks! Give me my Josh Allen this week v the Titans. 

 

Only a healthy, able to process full speed JA please

 

I want him out there but I don’t think we’ll get him

[Deep2Moulds46]

If Allen is healthy, he'll play. If he's not, he won't. 

I don't think there's any "Well, he could play but let's give him another week"

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Thing is, he hasn't had a good game all year.  Yeah he's had flashes and led comebacks that he created the need for with sloppy ball handling, but overall, he's not much better than last year and thats not good.

 

False.

[vincec]

4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Are we trying to win, or save money?

 

And I thought Ralph was cheap.

 

If we had Shady we very well may have won Sunday. Once Gore got up there in carries and we couldn't run because Coach McDermott doesn't trust Yeldon, Shady probably would have broke one on the last drive ala snow game and Bucs game in 2017.

 

But at least it didn't hurt our cap space.

These are my thoughts exactly. With the team averaging 6.1 yards per carry they still passed twice as much as ran, and that includes the QB scrambles. I think the major cause is that they just didn't have enough carries available from their RBs. And before people start saying "wait for Singletary to return", I would like to point out that I believe Singletary has 1 run between the tackles (for no gain). So I don't think the coaching staff sees him as someone who can carry a lot of the running load either.

[WideRightRevenge]

7 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Thing is, he hasn't had a good game all year.  Yeah he's had flashes and led comebacks that he created the need for with sloppy ball handling, but overall, he's not much better than last year and thats not good.

 

Kind of disagree ... opponents aside he had 63% plus completion percentage in first three games .. much better than last year's performance (net of last game of season vs. Miami).  Also, I rank QBs to a certain degree by 4th quarter comebacks (regardless if he was cause of the need to come back) ... that was my major issue with Tyrod ... he couldn't do it (4 in his 8 year career) and Josh has 4 already in 15 games.  At the end of the day its about "W's" and right wrong or indifferent Josh has led winning drives in 2019 ... I'll take that.

 

[CNYfan]

I think Barkley and the defense are going to have to come through.

 

Singletary would help

[No_Matter_What]

34 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said:

 

Kthat was my major issue with Tyrod ... he couldn't do it (4 in his 8 year career) and Josh has 4 already in 15 games.  

 

Uhm what? It is kinda hard to orchestrate any comeback while sitting on the bench ?

 

Other than that I agree with your post.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

False.

Insightful.  If I told you another team thought they had their franchise QB because he's thrown for 900 yards, 3 TD, 6 INT, 5 Fumbles and a passer rating of 69, how hard would you be laughing at them?

42 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said:

 

Kind of disagree ... opponents aside he had 63% plus completion percentage in first three games .. much better than last year's performance (net of last game of season vs. Miami).  Also, I rank QBs to a certain degree by 4th quarter comebacks (regardless if he was cause of the need to come back) ... that was my major issue with Tyrod ... he couldn't do it (4 in his 8 year career) and Josh has 4 already in 15 games.  At the end of the day its about "W's" and right wrong or indifferent Josh has led winning drives in 2019 ... I'll take that.

 

 900 yards, 3 TD, 6 INT, 5 Fumbles and a passer rating of 69... If you call this an improvement, that's fine, but it also shows you why they have had to come back.  He hasn't played well.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I'd be laughing at them because they've been going by boxscores instead of watching the games.

 

At a minimum, THREE of those INT can't be accounted to him, and they occurred in the Jets game.

 

Also, that person is ignoring the value of his legs in the red zone. So, obviously THAT fan's an idiot.

 

[Cripple Creek]

9 hours ago, BuffaloBob said:

Not really.  While it is true there was some dead cap money ($2.625 million), we still saved saved his full salary of $6.175 million. 

 

The stats below were listed in early 2019, so we paid his $250,000 workout bonus.  Because it was his last year, the only dead cap money was the final proration of his contact and that dead cap space of $2.625 million was going to be with us this season whether we paid his salary and kept him, or if we cut him.  So cutting him saved the full salary and added nothing additonal to the dead cap space we already were carrying for him this season.

 

LeSean McCoy

2019 cap hit: $9.05 million
Workout bonus portion: $250,000
Salary due: $6.175 million
Dead money: $2.625 million
Cap savings: $6.425 million

When someone starts throwing numbers around you know that they don’t have a leg to stand on.

 

 

I’ll try this again in this thread. 

 

The McCoy release only makes sense if the aim is to release one player with greater talent over another with obviously less talent. That’s it.

 

Keep your “but, but, but, Shady might not have accepted a lesser role happily.” WTF cares? Let The Process take care of that one. If It cannot then it isn’t worth much. Is it?

 

Were they “doing good” for a guy who had carried the load and asked to be released?  If that’s what The Process is about then it needs fixed.

 

Was McDermott “doing a solid” for his buddy Mozart? I sure hope that debts incurred be The Process don’t go back that far.

 

They, Beane and McDermott, left a hole in the roster. To put it succinctly, they ***** up. They sent talent away and kept lesser talent.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Only a healthy, able to process full speed JA please

 

I want him out there but I don’t think we’ll get him

 

......probably not and I shudder to think what type of game plan Daboll will devise with Barkley at the helm.........stay tuned.........

[Halloween Land]

46 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

When someone starts throwing numbers around you know that they don’t have a leg to stand on.

 

 

I’ll try this again in this thread. 

 

The McCoy release only makes sense if the aim is to release one player with greater talent over another with obviously less talent. That’s it.

 

Keep your “but, but, but, Shady might not have accepted a lesser role happily.” WTF cares? Let The Process take care of that one. If It cannot then it isn’t worth much. Is it?

 

Were they “doing good” for a guy who had carried the load and asked to be released?  If that’s what The Process is about then it needs fixed.

 

Was McDermott “doing a solid” for his buddy Mozart? I sure hope that debts incurred be The Process don’t go back that far.

 

They, Beane and McDermott, left a hole in the roster. To put it succinctly, they ***** up. They sent talent away and kept lesser talent.

So what are you trying to say? We should have kept McCoy?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

58 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

When someone starts throwing numbers around you know that they don’t have a leg to stand on.

 

 

I’ll try this again in this thread. 

 

The McCoy release only makes sense if the aim is to release one player with greater talent over another with obviously less talent. That’s it.

 

Keep your “but, but, but, Shady might not have accepted a lesser role happily.” WTF cares? Let The Process take care of that one. If It cannot then it isn’t worth much. Is it?

 

Were they “doing good” for a guy who had carried the load and asked to be released?  If that’s what The Process is about then it needs fixed.

 

Was McDermott “doing a solid” for his buddy Mozart? I sure hope that debts incurred be The Process don’t go back that far.

 

They, Beane and McDermott, left a hole in the roster. To put it succinctly, they ***** up. They sent talent away and kept lesser talent.

 

I disagree. McCoy RADICALLY underperformed his pay level the past two years and really did have to go.

 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

I'd be laughing at them because they've been going by boxscores instead of watching the games.

 

At a minimum, THREE of those INT can't be accounted to him, and they occurred in the Jets game.

 

Also, that person is ignoring the value of his legs in the red zone. So, obviously THAT fan's an idiot.

 

Oh my goodness a whole 2 extra TDs, one being from less than a half a yard away, who else on the planet could possibly do that?! 

 

I'm sorry, but if you are so blinded by the fact the TEAM won, despite having to overcome multiple dumb, careless turnovers and multiple missed opportunities by a mediocre QB who happens to be a great athlete, there is no use in pointing out the truth.  I'd bet you think Lamar Jackson sucks too, right?  If you watch as an unbaised observer, Jackson has been a FAR better QB and I think he is a running back who happens to throw.  Allen has been trash this season outside of maybe 6 drives and here we see the BuffaloBills Beer goggles on, telling us all that 2x more turnovers to TDs is just a stat.  No, its a fact and you are a fool.  Not to mention thise stats come against 4 teams with a combined 6 wins and the PATS have 4 of them.  You are embarrassing yourself.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, DCofNC said:

Oh my goodness a whole 2 extra TDs, one being from less than a half a yard away, who else on the planet could possibly do that?! 

 

I'm sorry, but if you are so blinded by the fact the TEAM won, despite having to overcome multiple dumb, careless turnovers and multiple missed opportunities by a mediocre QB who happens to be a great athlete, there is no use in pointing out the truth.  I'd bet you think Lamar Jackson sucks too, right?  If you watch as an unbaised observer, Jackson has been a FAR better QB and I think he is a running back who happens to throw.  Allen has been trash this season outside of maybe 6 drives and here we see the BuffaloBills Beer goggles on, telling us all that 2x more turnovers to TDs is just a stat.  No, its a fact and you are a fool.  Not to mention thise stats come against 4 teams with a combined 6 wins and the PATS have 4 of them.  You are embarrassing yourself.

 

 

You have ZERO credibility here, pal. No offense.

 

[DCofNC]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

 

You have ZERO credibility here, pal. No offense.

 

Oh, we hide behind, "I have been on this site for longer than you, I know more."  Cool strategy.

 

If you get credit for "knowledge" like yours, I don't need it.

 

 

[Cripple Creek]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I disagree. McCoy RADICALLY underperformed his pay level the past two years and really did have to go.

 

How he performed to his pay is immaterial. I’m not paying him and the team has plenty of cap.

 

They cut talent, kept lesser talent and created a hole in the roster.

[Gugny]

Just now, DCofNC said:

Oh, we hide behind, "I have been on this site for longer than you, I know more."  Cool strategy.

 

If you get credit for "knowledge" like yours, I don't need it.

 

 

 

I really hope you enjoy your time here.  Are you having fun, so far?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

Oh, we hide behind, "I have been on this site for longer than you, I know more."  Cool strategy.

 

If you get credit for "knowledge" like yours, I don't need it.

 

 

 

You showed up, what, two months ago and have posted literally the exact same thing in EVERY single post.

 

You're a troll, and a low-information troll at that.

 

1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said:

How he performed to his pay is immaterial. I’m not paying him and the team has plenty of cap.

 

They cut talent, kept lesser talent and created a hole in the roster.

 

I disagree. It's apparent to me they felt that Singletary was going to outperform McCoy this year, and thus made McCoy as useful as a vestigal tail.

 

You COULD make an argument that McCoy would be a better #3 RB. That would be legitimate. But if you're calling cutting the #3 back "creating a hole," I think that's a bit of a stretch.

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

Big deal.  I have been in concussion protocol since 2003 and I've been none the worse for wear.

 

 

...now where did I put my life jacket and kazoo?

 

 

 

[DCofNC]

17 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You showed up, what, two months ago and have posted literally the exact same thing in EVERY single post.

 

You're a troll, and a low-information troll at that.

 

 

I disagree. It's apparent to me they felt that Singletary was going to outperform McCoy this year, and thus made McCoy as useful as a vestigal tail.

 

You COULD make an argument that McCoy would be a better #3 RB. That would be legitimate. But if you're calling cutting the #3 back "creating a hole," I think that's a bit of a stretch.

 

Again with no facts behind your opinions that you hold as self evident truths.

19 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I really hope you enjoy your time here.  Are you having fun, so far?

There are goid discussions and blind homers who argue every fact based post they dont like, I'm not into the " grandpa knows best" attitude carried by a lot of the group.

[Gugny]

6 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Again with no facts behind your opinions that you hold as self evident truths.

There are goid discussions and blind homers who argue every fact based post they dont like, I'm not into the " grandpa knows best" attitude carried by a lot of the group.

 

Bless your little heart.

[Stank_Nasty]

29 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

  Allen has been trash this season outside of maybe 6 drives and here we see the BuffaloBills Beer goggles on, telling us all that 2x more turnovers to TDs is just a stat.

[Cripple Creek]

23 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You showed up, what, two months ago and have posted literally the exact same thing in EVERY single post.

 

You're a troll, and a low-information troll at that.

 

 

I disagree. It's apparent to me they felt that Singletary was going to outperform McCoy this year, and thus made McCoy as useful as a vestigal tail.

 

You COULD make an argument that McCoy would be a better #3 RB. That would be legitimate. But if you're calling cutting the #3 back "creating a hole," I think that's a bit of a stretch.

 

Did we have to “decent” running options on Sunday? No.

 

i don’t care where you slot Singletary, first, second, third. He was unavailable. I don’t care where you slot McCoy or Gore either. We have rotational offensive linemen ferchrissakes and people are focusing on who would #X.

 

On Sunday McCoy would have definitely helped the offensive attack. How many more games need to be lost before people wake up and say, “oh, maybe we should not have done that.”