Josh Allen in concussion protocol: Update cleared 10/5

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Did we have to “decent” running options on Sunday? No.

 

i don’t care where you slot Singletary, first, second, third. He was unavailable. I don’t care where you slot McCoy or Gore either. We have rotational offensive linemen ferchrissakes and people are focusing on who would #X.

 

On Sunday McCoy would have definitely helped the offensive attack. How many more games need to be lost before people wake up and say, “oh, maybe we should not have done that.”

 

Would you feel all warm and fuzzy if the posters here self-flagellated, threw on sackcloth and bemoaned missing McCoy on the roster?

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

10 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Thing is, he hasn't had a good game all year.  Yeah he's had flashes and led comebacks that he created the need for with sloppy ball handling, but overall, he's not much better than last year and thats not good.

 

I'll agree to an extent that he hasn't had a good game all year as far as a 4 quarter game.  He's played well but also has disappeared for long stretches....and shot himself in the foot a few times.

However, overall, he is better than last year.  He's a better passer in the pocket which is the biggest improvement he needed to make.  

I've seen more good Josh than bad Josh.  Bad Josh was last week and it was bad but this Pats defense also held a Sean McVay offense to nothing...basically almost every team in the last 8-9 games.

He needs to improve his ball security, situational awareness and his deep ball accuracy.  Once that happens, I'll feel more comfortable with him.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

So, updates?

[Cripple Creek]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Would you feel all warm and fuzzy if the posters here self-flagellated, threw on sackcloth and bemoaned missing McCoy on the roster?

 

 

I’m generally not a warm and fuzzy person and your hyperbole and histrionics aren't necessary.

 

They lost a game on Sunday because they had one option running the ball. You knew it, I knew it and the pats knew it.  When that option was not in the game the Bills predictably passed the ball.

 

You can ignore that all you want, I choose not to & I've been quietly beating this drum since McCoy was cut.

 

Care to talk about DiMarco’s salary and how he has not performed to his pay grade?

 

What about Innameonly Lotulelei?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said:

I’m generally not a warm and fuzzy person and your hyperbole and histrionics aren't necessary.

 

They lost a game on Sunday because they had one option running the ball. You knew it, I knew it and the pats knew it.  When that option was not in the game the Bills predictably passed the ball.

 

You can ignore that all you want, I choose not to & I've been quietly beating this drum since McCoy was cut.

 

Care to talk about DiMarco’s salary and how he has not performed to his pay grade?

 

What about Innameonly Lotulelei?

 

I'm not a DiMarco fan or hater. He does what he does. Star got paid, yes, but again he's NOT egregiously awful as some crusaders around here want us to believe.

 

I wanted Shady cut two years ago, so there's that.

 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Oh, we hide behind, "I have been on this site for longer than you, I know more."  Cool strategy.

 

If you get credit for "knowledge" like yours, I don't need it.

 

 

 

 

whatever....

 

 

[billsfan1959]

35 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Again with no facts behind your opinions that you hold as self evident truths.

There are goid discussions and blind homers who argue every fact based post they dont like, I'm not into the " grandpa knows best" attitude carried by a lot of the group.

 

 

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Oh my goodness a whole 2 extra TDs, one being from less than a half a yard away, who else on the planet could possibly do that?! 

 

I'm sorry, but if you are so blinded by the fact the TEAM won, despite having to overcome multiple dumb, careless turnovers and multiple missed opportunities by a mediocre QB who happens to be a great athlete, there is no use in pointing out the truth.  I'd bet you think Lamar Jackson sucks too, right?  If you watch as an unbaised observer, Jackson has been a FAR better QB and I think he is a running back who happens to throw.  Allen has been trash this season outside of maybe 6 drives and here we see the BuffaloBills Beer goggles on, telling us all that 2x more turnovers to TDs is just a stat.  No, its a fact and you are a fool.  Not to mention thise stats come against 4 teams with a combined 6 wins and the PATS have 4 of them.  You are embarrassing yourself.

 

Edited October 2, 2019 by billsfan1959

[MiltonWaddams]

24 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

So, updates?

Sorry, this is a thread about Shady and how easily we turn on each other after a loss. I think the game thread may provide that for which you search

[Tenhigh]

44 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Again with no facts behind your opinions that you hold as self evident truths.

There are goid discussions and blind homers who argue every fact based post they dont like, I'm not into the " grandpa knows best" attitude carried by a lot of the group.

Who cares about that stuff. We really want to know what you think about Allen's play so far this year...

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

I’m generally not a warm and fuzzy person and your hyperbole and histrionics aren't necessary.

 

They lost a game on Sunday because they had one option running the ball. You knew it, I knew it and the pats knew it.  When that option was not in the game the Bills predictably passed the ball.

 

You can ignore that all you want, I choose not to & I've been quietly beating this drum since McCoy was cut.

 

Care to talk about DiMarco’s salary and how he has not performed to his pay grade?

 

What about Innameonly Lotulelei?

 

Cripple, we lost the game because we had 4 turnovers and a blocked punt for a TD.

 

If you're down a RB due to injury, the game shouldn't be over.  We traded up for Allen and he's in his second year.  He should be able to carry the team passing the ball, or he's supposed to be.  

Why does "predictably" passing the ball matter?  

Allen lost us the game.

 

Dimarco wouldn't have been kept if he wasn't adding value.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Why do some people car so much about past decisions? What comes of it? I mean you can learn from mistakes, but can you change them? Is McBeane going to be fired because of it? Does this team make decisions based off this forum? I mean, who cares what you said then or now! Does it make you feel better if the decision isn't working out right now and it makes you believe you're right? Why don't others believe I was right then and  now give me the credit I deserve . Is there an award it your right? What am I missing? Any chance this stuff goes a bit above and beyond a normal discussion about the team?

 

Jeez, This forum would make for a great psych study.

Edited October 2, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[thebandit27]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Cripple, we lost the game because we had 4 turnovers and a blocked punt for a TD.

 

If you're down a RB due to injury, the game shouldn't be over.  We traded up for Allen and he's in his second year.  He should be able to carry the team passing the ball, or he's supposed to be.  

Why does "predictably" passing the ball matter?  

Allen lost us the game.

 

Dimarco wouldn't have been kept if he wasn't adding value.

 

I can't abide that people claim that Allen lost the game.

 

His offense scored a TD and a FG.

Brady's offense scored a TD and a FG.

 

Offenses drew even (forget the missed XP and missed 49-yarder for Hauschka).

 

Both teams had red zone turnovers at key moments. Allen's deep INTs aren't much different than punts as a practical matter (other than the down on which they occurred).

 

The punt block was the difference--that, and Allen getting knocked out of the game. We all know that 4th quarter Josh is a different player, and I don't think many folks would argue that he isn't more likely to get the ball in the end zone from inside the 10 than Barkley. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I can't abide that people claim that Allen lost the game.

 

His offense scored a TD and a FG.

Brady's offense scored a TD and a FG.

 

Offenses drew even (forget the missed XP and missed 49-yarder for Hauschka).

 

Both teams had red zone turnovers at key moments. Allen's deep INTs aren't much different than punts as a practical matter (other than the down on which they occurred).

 

The punt block was the difference--that, and Allen getting knocked out of the game. We all know that 4th quarter Josh is a different player, and I don't think many folks would argue that he isn't more likely to get the ball in the end zone from inside the 10 than Barkley. 

 

Dude, YES.

 

 

[Gugny]

44 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

I’m generally not a warm and fuzzy person and your hyperbole and histrionics aren't necessary.

 

They lost a game on Sunday because they had one option running the ball. You knew it, I knew it and the pats knew it.  When that option was not in the game the Bills predictably passed the ball.

 

You can ignore that all you want, I choose not to & I've been quietly beating this drum since McCoy was cut.

 

Care to talk about DiMarco’s salary and how he has not performed to his pay grade?

 

What about Innameonly Lotulelei?

 

They lost the game on Sunday because we had two QBs who both sucked.

 

[billsfan1959]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I can't abide that people claim that Allen lost the game.

 

His offense scored a TD and a FG.

Brady's offense scored a TD and a FG.

 

Offenses drew even (forget the missed XP and missed 49-yarder for Hauschka).

 

Both teams had red zone turnovers at key moments. Allen's deep INTs aren't much different than punts as a practical matter (other than the down on which they occurred).

 

The punt block was the difference--that, and Allen getting knocked out of the game. We all know that 4th quarter Josh is a different player, and I don't think many folks would argue that he isn't more likely to get the ball in the end zone from inside the 10 than Barkley. 

Shhhhh...the torch and pitchfork crowd will not be happy to hear this

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

They lost the game on Sunday because we had two QBs who both sucked.

 

 

The DIFFERENCE in the game was the ST, however. My argument: despite the unforced errors, the offense had done enough to win. the atrocity that was the punt block was the difference in the game.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I can't abide that people claim that Allen lost the game.

 

His offense scored a TD and a FG.

Brady's offense scored a TD and a FG.

 

Offenses drew even (forget the missed XP and missed 49-yarder for Hauschka).

 

Both teams had red zone turnovers at key moments. Allen's deep INTs aren't much different than punts as a practical matter (other than the down on which they occurred).

 

The punt block was the difference--that, and Allen getting knocked out of the game. We all know that 4th quarter Josh is a different player, and I don't think many folks would argue that he isn't more likely to get the ball in the end zone from inside the 10 than Barkley. 

 

The only TD the Pats scored was off of a INT from Allen.  Another 3 came from another Allen INT.  

Our defense forced 7 - 3 and outs and punted 9 times total.  We did not capitalize on offense when we were given opportunity after opportunity.

 

Brady played bad as well....both QB's did.  Allen shouldn't take less heat because the other teams QB played poorly as well.  

It doesn't mean I'm giving up on Allen or think he sucks.  In this particular game...he was bad.  

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

Did we have to “decent” running options on Sunday? No.

 

i don’t care where you slot Singletary, first, second, third. He was unavailable. I don’t care where you slot McCoy or Gore either. We have rotational offensive linemen ferchrissakes and people are focusing on who would #X.

 

On Sunday McCoy would have definitely helped the offensive attack. How many more games need to be lost before people wake up and say, “oh, maybe we should not have done that.”

Take it to the McCoy thread. Actually there isn’t one, probably because he isn’t missed. The team is 4th in the league in rushing averaging 147/game. This thread is about Allen in the concussion protocol. Please and thank you. 

[Gugny]

8 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

The DIFFERENCE in the game was the ST, however. My argument: despite the unforced errors, the offense had done enough to win. the atrocity that was the punt block was the difference in the game.

 

 

The punt block sucked, for sure.  But inept QB play for 90% of the game was what killed us.  Gore had 109 yards rushing.  The inability to run was not the problem and at no point in time did I say to myself, "man, if we had McCoy, we'd win this game."  Regardless of whose fault they were, Allen's 3 INTs killed us.  Otherwise, we were having our way in that game.

 

[rayray808]

Updates of his actual status of the game here please...

 

LATEST: concussion protocol, how he is able to practice wednesday, thursday and friday is crucial.

 

UPDATE: STAGE 4 IN PROTOCOL - did some work in individual drills and took part in team meetings

Edited October 2, 2019 by rayray808

[Steptide]

If he practices today at any degree, I'd think he plays Sunday 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

See Josh Allen Concussion thread please rayray

trust me ... when the news breaks you will see plenty on it

 

[Royale with Cheese]

There's a pinned thread about Allen's concussion protocol status Ray-Ray.

 

- Regards

Royale Royale

[rayray808]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

See Josh Allen Concussion thread please rayray

trust me ... when the news breaks you will see plenty on it

 

 

that thread seems to just argue about McCoy, Zay, etc.

 

was hoping to have a thread that is only about Allen and his health for this week ?

[K-9]

Well, as bad a day as Allen had, it wasn’t the ultimate difference in the game. It was a shame he didn’t have an opportunity to finish the game because his 4th quarter stats this year are among the best in the league. 

 

Also, as much as I dislike his decision making on those INTs and the sacks he took, I’m more concerned about his not taking what the D was giving him. Part of that is on Daboll, but it’s mostly on Allen. If there is a glimmer of a silver lining in that regard, he came out in the second half and started doing exactly that. 

[Bangarang]

23 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

The DIFFERENCE in the game was the ST, however. My argument: despite the unforced errors, the offense had done enough to win. the atrocity that was the punt block was the difference in the game.

 

Didnt NE have 10 points off of Allen turnovers though? Blaming the ST is just so you can avoid having to blame Allen. It’s okay if we lose a game because of Allen once in a while. It happens. If we win a lot more because of him than it’s not the biggest issue.

Edited October 2, 2019 by Bangarang

[YoloinOhio]

Per McD:

still in protocol

 

will do drill work today 

 

[K-9]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Pats has 10 points off of Allen turnovers though. Blaming the ST is just so you don’t have to blame Allen. It’s okay if we lose a game because of Allen. It happens. If we win a lot more because of him than it’s not the biggest issue.

9 points. May not seem like much, but when our offense scored 10, it’s significant.

[YoloinOhio]

When asked about Barkley: “we’ll get them both ready”

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Well, as bad a day as Allen had, it wasn’t the ultimate difference in the game. It was a shame he didn’t have an opportunity to finish the game because his 4th quarter stats this year are among the best in the league. 

 

Also, as much as I dislike his decision making on those INTs and the sacks he took, I’m more concerned about his not taking what the D was giving him. Part of that is on Daboll, but it’s mostly on Allen. If there is a glimmer of a silver lining in that regard, he came out in the second half and started doing exactly that. 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

 

that thread seems to just argue about McCoy, Zay, etc.

 

was hoping to have a thread that is only about Allen and his health for this week ?

 

If you expect this thread to not get off the rails, you haven't been here long enough. Every single "news thread" on this board spirals to 8000 different sub points before the news actually breaks. Just use the other one and @YoloinOhio will update the title when something changes. 

 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Per McD:

still in protocol

 

will do drill work today 

 

 

Well, this news does not suck!

[MDH]

18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I can't abide that people claim that Allen lost the game.

 

His offense scored a TD and a FG.

Brady's offense scored a TD and a FG.

 

Offenses drew even (forget the missed XP and missed 49-yarder for Hauschka).

 

Both teams had red zone turnovers at key moments. Allen's deep INTs aren't much different than punts as a practical matter (other than the down on which they occurred).

 

The punt block was the difference--that, and Allen getting knocked out of the game. We all know that 4th quarter Josh is a different player, and I don't think many folks would argue that he isn't more likely to get the ball in the end zone from inside the 10 than Barkley. 

 

Obviously the punt block was a huge difference, but that happened in the 1st quarter. The team had ample opportunity to overcome that mistake and failed to do so.

 

A offense putting up 10 points isn't going to win often in this league. An offense that turns the ball over 4 times isn't going to win often in this league. It's not impossible (See: Jets) but it's a statistical anomaly. 

 

Josh took sacks on 3 different third downs that either put the Bills out of FG range or made the FG attempt more difficult. To me, these are bigger plays than the INTs in terms of the Bills winning or losing. The first one I wasn't egregious, he got blitzed and they got to him fast. Yeah, a QB is supposed to read the blitz, know where his outlet is and get rid of it but he's young, THIS is a young QBs mistake. The other two were just horrendous. He sat back in the pocket for 5-6 seconds and still took a sack. These decisions led directly to 3-6 points being taken off the board. This is fundamental stuff, stuff a college QB knows not to do. There are simply no excuses for it.

 

As for scoring from inside the 10, you have to ask yourself, would Allen have had the Bills inside the 10 to begin with? To get down there Barkley threw a deep pass to Brown to convert a 3rd down. That was the first deep pass that came within 5 yards of a Bills WR all game. Maybe Josh gets them down there, maybe he doesn't. Maybe Josh and his clutch gene get the ball into the end zone in the 4th quarter, maybe he doesn't. Elway didn't complete every 4th quarter comeback, just because a QB has that ability doesn't mean it happens every time.

 

What I do know is that Allen was horrible on Sunday. Everything else is just speculation.

 

I don't get why people can't just say Allen was horrible, he was a huge reason the Bills lost (there is never a single reason, it's a team game) and still think he can be the franchise guy for the Bills moving forward. These aren't mutually exclusive ideas but it seems fans or so sensitive to the QB position that they fear giving an inch when someone questions their QB.

[Dopey]

Hey guys, if you wanna discuss Josh's concussion AND ONLY Josh's concussion, rayray808 started a fresh thread. Enjoy and thanks rayray808.

[VW82]

It would be insanely dumb IMO to play Josh on Sunday. Even if he's able to clear concussion protocol prior to game time why not give him the game off and be 100% sure he's OK. Bring him back after the bye vs Miami and let him find his feet against a weak opponent. You also have the added benefit of letting him watch and learn, and take the necessary time to digest that Pats loss and his up and down start to the year. It worked last year. 

[Dopey]

Thanks for the fresh thread. As whatdrought mentioned, good luck on that one.

[whatdrought]

Just now, Dopey said:

Hey guys, if you wanna discuss Josh's concussion AND ONLY Josh's concussion, rayray808 started a fresh thread. Enjoy and thanks rayray808.

 

I thought that thread was to discuss whether or not we thought josh was a good QB?... Now I'm really confused. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Per McD:

still in protocol

 

will do drill work today 

 

 

Good that means he is progressing, he met is brain function baseline, as long as he doesn't degrade he may be elevated to football activities soon. So probably 50/50 he can play at this point

[billsfan1959]

I was kind of hoping we could trade Zay for McCoy...